Maddison

[ozvaldo]

Arsenal is about his level.  

[Ted Maul]

Easily replaceable. Anything north of £40m and I'd sell. 

[John rayner]

2 minutes ago, ozvaldo said:

Arsenal is about his level.  

Why would Madders leave leicester for arsenal, city are a lot better than the gunners 

[chapero82]

38 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

With who? Even a Maddison who was half fit for a lot of the season managed 8 goals and 7 assists this season. Where are we going to find a creative midfielder who will post those stats? 

 

33 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

with who?

With someone who has respect for the club and doesn’t go out partying a few days before an important match 

[Jimmy]

23 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Did he miss all of those to make the 40%?

no idea I didn't come up with the initial claim

[peach0000]

3 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

 

With someone who has respect for the club and doesn’t go out partying a few days before an important match 

It was a week from memory not a few days and I don’t believe the partying was the issue that far out from a game. It was the breaking of lockdown rules. Ultimately everyone makes mistakes and that is Maddison’s only major one so he definitely deserves a second chance. If maddison is sold for that then so should Perez, Barnes etc who did the same thing as maddison. 

[Jimmy]

4 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

It was a week from memory not a few days and I don’t believe the partying was the issue that far out from a game. It was the breaking of lockdown rules. Ultimately everyone makes mistakes and that is Maddison’s only major one so he definitely deserves a second chance. If maddison is sold for that then so should Perez, Barnes etc who did the same thing as maddison. 

Barnes was injured so was never going to play that game, I think its fair to assume Maddison would have been a big part of our pre match plans, that had to be scrubbed and then we all saw how poor the performance was.

 

So it's understandable people will hold that against him

Edited 15 June 2021 by Jimmy

[don_danbury]

if he wasnt made of plastic his numbers would look so good. i'd sell just because his hip is always phacked up

Edited 15 June 2021 by don_danbury

[Sampson]

32 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

But even if that was the plan (I think having a number 10 gives flexibility in shape and is a good thing) we would still need to replace his creativity and attacking output somewhere. I don’t see where that’s coming from without taking a massive risk on an unproven player. Sometimes it’s just better sticking with what you have.

I'm not convinced his creativity numbers are even that great though. If you look at his PL stats

18/19 -  7 goals, 7 assists.(14 combined)
19/20 - 6 goals, 3 assists (9 combined)
20/21 - 8 goals, 5 assists (13 combined)

For a number 10 who takes all our set-pieces that really isn't that impressive - you'd expect a number 10 who is the regular set-piece taker at a mid-table club to be getting those kind of numbers really, not from a club in the top 6.

I'd say his assist numbers in fact have actually been pretty poor for a player who has a monopoly on set pieces and he's been bettered by many regular set piece takers at clubs in the bottom half in the table. He has got a few more goals but nothing really spectacular for a number 10.

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

I said a while ago I thought we had outgrown him. My reason for saying so is that Brendan is trying to increase the pace we play it. 

While Maddison slows us down. His set pieces have been poor. He lacks pace to be an attacking threat and offers little in a defensive capacity.

 

While Maddison is a very good player he seems to have taken his eye off the Ball rightly or wrongly, Yes he's had a bad injury.

Excellent post.

 

It feels like we're saying 'but he's clearly not fit' about 50% of the time in the games he plays in. He had a really good run of form this season though of about 10 games. I think he comes across as a bit of a dick but find it weird how people seem to have such a problem from him.

 

I really think his injury is going to cause more problems in the long term too, but it's pure guesswork from me (obviously).

 

Can't see him going anywhere, but anything over 60m and I'd snap their hand off and run.

[chapero82]

5 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

It was a week from memory not a few days and I don’t believe the partying was the issue that far out from a game. It was the breaking of lockdown rules. Ultimately everyone makes mistakes and that is Maddison’s only major one so he definitely deserves a second chance. If maddison is sold for that then so should Perez, Barnes etc who did the same thing as maddison. 

Perez should be sold for being 💩  

[peach0000]

Just now, Jimmy said:

Barnes was injured so was never going to play that game, I think its fair to assume Maddison would have been a big part of our pre match plans, that had to be scrubbed and then we all saw how poor the performance was

It depends what you see the issue as. I think the main issue is our players breaking lockdown rules and making the club look bad. Barnes was just as guilty as maddison of doing that although he doesn’t get criticised for it at all. The not playing the next game was on Rodgers not the players involved, you could argue their actions caused that but ultimately they did nothing that would have affected their performance a week latter. It was just a moral problem (ie breaking the law)
 

I personally think the whole thing was blown out of proportion tbh, I said so at the time and I still think so now. 

[peach0000]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

I'm not convinced his creativity numbers are even that great though. If you look at his PL stats

18/19 -  7 goals, 7 assists.(14 combined)
19/20 - 6 goals, 3 assists (9 combined)
20/21 - 8 goals, 5 assists (13 combined)

For a number 10 who takes all our set-pieces that really isn't that impressive - you'd expect a number 10 who is the regular set-piece taker at a mid-table club to be getting those kind of numbers really, not from a club in the top 6.

I'd say his assist numbers in fact have actually been pretty poor for a player who has a monopoly on set pieces and he's been bettered by many regular set piece takers at clubs in the bottom half in the table. He has got a few more goals but nothing really spectacular for a number 10.

They are impressive. If you compare him to others in the same position (with the exception of KDB and Fernandes) then he’s right up there even with spending half the season injured/not fully fit.

[chapero82]

1 minute ago, peach0000 said:

It depends what you see the issue as. I think the main issue is our players breaking lockdown rules and making the club look bad. Barnes was just as guilty as maddison of doing that although he doesn’t get criticised for it at all. The not playing the next game was on Rodgers not the players involved, you could argue their actions caused that but ultimately they did nothing that would have affected their performance a week latter. It was just a moral problem (ie breaking the law)
 

I personally think the whole thing was blown out of proportion tbh, I said so at the time and I still think so now. 

Barnes was wrong to do what he did yes but he couldn’t play the next game and he’s young, Madders should know better from the Casino fiasco 

[Sampson]

12 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

They are impressive. If you compare him to others in the same position (with the exception of KDB and Fernandes) then he’s right up there even with spending half the season injured/not fully fit.

He's not right up there at all. He comes behind several mid-table players who he plays further forward than in every season he's been here.

Here's where he ranks in the combined goals+assists stats per 90 minutes

18/19 - 44th

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/1889/stats/2018-2019-Premier-League-Stats

19/20 - 65th (Behind the much maligned Perez)
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/3232/stats/2019-2020-Premier-League-Stats

20/21 - 30th
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/3232/stats/2019-2020-Premier-League-Stats

For number 10 who has a monopoly on set-pieces for a side who finished 5th in 2 of those seasons as well, his goals and assist numbers are pretty average really.
 

Edited 15 June 2021 by Sampson

[Sly]

He’d be a bit like Ozil for them I think. Capable of putting numbers then disappear for months on end. 
 

I’ll say it again though. Arsenal couldn’t afford to keep the mascot, how ware they playing 80m+ for Maddison??

[peach0000]

7 minutes ago, Sampson said:

He's not right up there at all. He comes behind several mid-table players who he plays further forward than in every season he's been here.

Here's where he ranks in the combined goals+assists stats per 90 minutes

18/19 - 44th

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/1889/stats/2018-2019-Premier-League-Stats

19/20 - 65th (Behind the much maligned Perez)
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/3232/stats/2019-2020-Premier-League-Stats

20/21 - 30th
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/3232/stats/2019-2020-Premier-League-Stats

For number 10 who has a monopoly on set-pieces for a side who finished 5th in 2 of those seasons as well, his goals and assist numbers are pretty average really.
 

He was not great in 19/20 I’d be the first to admit that. He had an average season. However 30th for a player who spent the second half of the season recovering from injury is pretty good. If you look at some of the players he’s above and the players that are above him then he has had a very good season. People like Aubameyang, Ziyech, Havertz, Firminho, Ward-Prowse, Zaha, Neto are all below him while he’s only just behind the likes of Mane in terms of G/A per 90mins. I don’t really know what more you expect from him to be honest. 

[Sampson]

1 minute ago, peach0000 said:

He was not great in 19/20 I’d be the first to admit that. He had an average season. However 30th for a player who spent the second half of the season recovering from injury is pretty good. If you look at some of the players he’s above and the players that are above him then he has had a very good season. People like Aubameyang, Ziyech, Havertz, Firminho, Ward-Prowse, Zaha, Neto are all below him while he’s only just behind the likes of Mane in terms of G/A per 90mins. I don’t really know what more you expect from him to be honest. 

I'm not sure on your point here, with the exception of Ward-Prowse who plays much deeper than him, all those players you mentioned, including Mane, were widely regarded to have had poor seasons? 

As did the likes of Sterling, Pepe, Jesus and Rashford who he finished below as well?

[peach0000]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

I'm not sure on your point here, with the exception of Ward-Prowse who plays much deeper than him, all those players you mentioned, including Mane, were widely regarded to have had poor seasons? 

As did the likes of Sterling, Pepe, Jesus and Rashford who he finished below as well?

My point is being the 30th most creative player in the premier league is very good. Especially for a player who has been recovering from an injury. Imagine how productive he would be if he was to have a good off season and come back fully fit and played a full season. I think people expect too much from certain players. 

[MPH]

42 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

 

With someone who has respect for the club and doesn’t go out partying a few days before an important match 

 

so it doesn’t matter if they are a worse player just as long as they don’t party?

 

do you know what time he went to bed that night? Did he drink? Have permission from the club?

 

 

its admirable thinking albeit a little naive but it’s also the type of logic that will see us slip back down the league.

[Sampson]

5 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

My point is being the 30th most creative player in the premier league is very good. 

And for the number 10 and almost exclusive set piece taker (when he's on the pitch) for the team who finished 5th in the league I don't think it is. I think it's pretty average. 

Not saying it's horrendous, but I also don't think it's anything to write home about or says he's irreplaceable.

I do think he can improve if he gets a full season fully fit because you can see the guy has talent, but I don't think that's anywhere near being a nailed on certainty that he'll improve and I think next season is a huge season for him where he needs to step up and push on.

Edited 15 June 2021 by Sampson

[The_77]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

I'm not convinced his creativity numbers are even that great though. If you look at his PL stats

18/19 -  7 goals, 7 assists.(14 combined)
19/20 - 6 goals, 3 assists (9 combined)
20/21 - 8 goals, 5 assists (13 combined)

For a number 10 who takes all our set-pieces that really isn't that impressive - you'd expect a number 10 who is the regular set-piece taker at a mid-table club to be getting those kind of numbers really, not from a club in the top 6.

I'd say his assist numbers in fact have actually been pretty poor for a player who has a monopoly on set pieces and he's been bettered by many regular set piece takers at clubs in the bottom half in the table. He has got a few more goals but nothing really spectacular for a number 10.

Pretty damn good numbers this season considering he was only healthy for a portion of it. 

Edited 16 June 2021 by The_77

[Mickyblueeyes]

I’d be really disappointed if he leaves. Was having a good season until the injury. We need to keep players like him and add to it. 

[Jimmy]

for what its worth this is what an arsenal fan said on another forum

 

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Bit of background on the source.

AFCBell is an account on Twitter. They were adamant that we would be signing Partey months before it eventually happened, reporting on the deal with great accuracy, so the account has borderline messiah status in Arsenal Twitter.

Take this with a pinch (handful) of salt as always with any of these Twitter ITK accounts.

An actual Arsenal based journalist (Chris Wheatley) claims Maddison is admired by Arteta but the fee will be an issue. Also claim Chelsea would be looking at him if they sell Ziyech.

On a personal level, I’d definitely ignore it for now. We’re being linked with new names every day and it’s becoming more difficult to decipher what’s true and what isn’t.

 

[NasPb]

Just swap Maddison for ziyech plus cash for us. I'd love that. Maddison is very and i mean very fairly criticizable for his actions both on the pitch and off it (like causing a party that derailed our season) and extreme injury issues, and inconsistent form.