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Maddison

By happy85, in Transfer Talk

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MarriedaLeicesterGirl

MarriedaLeicesterGirl

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3 minutes ago, martyn said:

If selling Maddison financed

 

Berardi/Madueke

Pereira/#10 replacement

And possibly with change left over to help finance a centre half.

 

I'd seriously consider it, but then, I don't rate Maddison as highly as others do on here.

If...

 

My problem is that none of that will get done before the season begins -- especially if selling clubs think we have a bucket of cash. We have a fairly non-horrific schedule at the beginning of the term, and I'd hate if we were still in the market for our creative spark the day the window closes, and dropped points to Wolves, West Ham, and Norwich.

stu

stu

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14 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Genuine question. Would you rather keep Maddison or sell for £45-50 million with Joe Willock from Arsenal and use some of the money to purchase Noni Madueke?

In a part exchange at this point in the transfer window you’d want players who would either be like for like replacement with the same skill set as Maddison or would be a guaranteed starter in the first 11 rather than a squad player.
 

I don’t see Joe Willock as any of these, hence I’d keep Maddison.

 

The only players I’d consider in the Arsenal squad to be of benefit to us as part of a player exchange deal would be Saka or Pepe.


Obviously neither would be a realistic option.

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An Sionnach

An Sionnach

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10 minutes ago, Rusko187 said:

Both players are in their 30s, if they were going to kick on I'd have expected them to light the league up by now.

Most of football's top strikers are over 30 or getting there so age is not really a factor. The Ozil nightmare damaged them a lot and there must have been a lot of aggro behind the scene. I rate Auba and Lacazette , they are top players and if things settle down , they could start firing again.

Guest Manley Farrington-Brown

Guest Manley Farrington-Brown

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18 minutes ago, Rusko187 said:

Didn't one of our ITKs allude to the fact that the club would be willing to let him go, but don't want to make it absolutely obvious.

Well of course. But pretty much every club in the world would be willing to let pretty much any player go.

If the price was right.

Mullet1

Mullet1

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I really can’t see how selling him is good thing at this stage. Who is on par or better who we could realistically attract at this point? (And hit the floor running to Maddison’s level)
we often struggle to create centrally against teams and like it or not he is the best player we have in that position who can do something different. 

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Claudio Fannieri

Claudio Fannieri

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Here is another thought what if we do change to 4-3-3 and this gives Praet & KDH far more game time this season, we don’t need Willock and allows us to bring in Beradi, Pierrera and the defensive cover for Evans. We would have decent options out wide, squad depth and still have flexibility to move to 4-2-3-1 if needed 

Ric Flair

Ric Flair

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28 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Genuine question. Would you rather keep Maddison or sell for £45-50 million with Joe Willock from Arsenal and use some of the money to purchase Noni Madueke?

I'd take Madueke and Sabitzer for the money we got for Maddison but it would also depend on the knock on effect to the morale of the likes of Tielemans, Barnes and Soyuncu who all need to sign new contracts.

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Scotch

Scotch

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28 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Genuine question. Would you rather keep Maddison or sell for £45-50 million with Joe Willock from Arsenal and use some of the money to purchase Noni Madueke?

Think I would rather get £65/70m and go get Pereira and Berardi.  Possibly even Kabak too. 

Lesta Legend

Lesta Legend

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53 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Genuine question. Would you rather keep Maddison or sell for £45-50 million with Joe Willock from Arsenal and use some of the money to purchase Noni Madueke?

I would be tempted 

Jobyfox

Jobyfox

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The thing is that logic doesn't dictate that we should accept any players in part exchange for Maddison.

 

Usually in deals like this the big club offers cash plus inferior players to smaller club. Smaller club accepts players to improve squad and money to replace squad further with, hopefully, the net benefit being about the same for each party.

 

The big "but" here is that none of Arsenal's inferior players improve our first team and, arguably, our squad. We've been a direct rival with them in the past two seasons for European places and you might say that our current first team is better than theirs. Selling to Arsenal potentially weakens us and strengthens a direct rival.

 

I'm not underestimating the "Big Club" pull here. Arsenal are still a much bigger club than us and can afford to pay Maddison more than we can. There is also the London factor - that I must admit I've never completely understood in a country as small as ours - so it's quite possible that JM might want the move.

 

The only logical move for us would be to accept a very high price (excess of £70m) if this does go through. Currently there is almost a big four developing in terms of financial clout and likely success. Arsenal aren't one of these clubs and we shouldn't hand them the leverage to force our hand.

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John rayner

John rayner

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1 hour ago, Edingleyfox said:

I'd take £60 million cash but no part-exchanges. We still need another winger and probably a central defender.

 

Don't think anything will happen

Agreed 

Reginaldo

Reginaldo

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This is rumbling on so think this has some legs. No 10 doesn’t fit with 4-3-3 which looks to be Brendan’s preference with Barnes and esp. now Soumare looks like a regular starter.

Steve Earle

Steve Earle

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1 minute ago, Reginaldo said:

This is rumbling on so think this has some legs. No 10 doesn’t fit with 4-3-3 which looks to be Brendan’s preference with Barnes and esp. now Soumare looks like a regular starter.

1 - it could be only rumbling on here and on Twitter?

2 - what we’ve seen thus far suggests 4231 is the manager’s preference, though 433 can be played with the same XI

3 - Soumare looks a real prospect, but he’ll have to bide his time I expect 

Sol thewall Bamba

Sol thewall Bamba

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9 minutes ago, Reginaldo said:

This is rumbling on so think this has some legs. No 10 doesn’t fit with 4-3-3 which looks to be Brendan’s preference with Barnes and esp. now Soumare looks like a regular starter.

Journos and fake ITKs all quoting each other ≠ rumbling on. 

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DezFox

DezFox

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I’m not sure this has legs but I did read somewhere that Norwich have a 15% sell on clause so people saying that they would take 60m for him. It’s only around 51m. Personally I don’t think we should even entertain it. Especially not for 51 mill spend. I know others are saying we will play without a number 10  but if we do and it doesn’t work, do we just keep playing it. Keep Maddison, better with him in side! Especially not to a top 6 rival. Who will get better. 

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turlo

turlo

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1 hour ago, Edingleyfox said:

I'd take £60 million cash but no part-exchanges. We still need another winger and probably a central defender.

 

Don't think anything will happen

60m minus the reported 10/15% sell on clause wouldn't leave us with much more than 50m to get a quality winger and replacement CAM. it's not enough. 

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Reginaldo

Reginaldo

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23 minutes ago, Steve Earle said:

1 - it could be only rumbling on here and on Twitter?

2 - what we’ve seen thus far suggests 4231 is the manager’s preference, though 433 can be played with the same XI

3 - Soumare looks a real prospect, but he’ll have to bide his time I expect 

True. We will see. He started last match with first team 4-3-3 last week. Orange bibs suggested Soumare will start in 3 again tonight.

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CloudFox

CloudFox

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I seriously doubt he is thinking of leaving. He and his fiancée have just had their first child together, and he's clearly in a happy bubble. None of them are willingly going to want to disrupt that, especially this early after the birth.

 

We don't need to sell him, Arsenal aren't going to pay what we'd ask to cover the purchase of a right winger and Maddison replacement, and he won't want to leave right now anyway.

 

NEXT!

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ClaphamFox

ClaphamFox

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3 minutes ago, Reginaldo said:

True. We will see. He started last match with first team 4-3-3 last week. Orange bibs suggested Soumare will start in 3 again tonight.

Who is 'Orange bibs'? Is he on twitter?

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SkidsFox

SkidsFox

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1 hour ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Quite a few " I'd take X and Buy Y&Z "

Come on, such authority and financial nous, which one of you is Rudders?

Cue the Spartacus moment :cool:

I think people adopt this type of opinion to compensate when they know, in reality, they have no say in what will happen.

However we can all try and guess the likelihood of such a move taking place. Put yourself in the mindset of the people running Arsenal. If they have convinced themselves that Madders will improve their team and its performances, then they'd put together the 70-80 million (even if it meant selling other players). They've seen Sancho go to United, and Grealish (probably) to Man City. They will want a marquee signing to show they intend to keep up, and Maddison may currently be their one option to do so.

I'm 80% of the opinion that Madders will go, but I trust our management to get a good price.

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