MalletFox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 I’m looking forward to seeing and hearing the full details coming out over the coming days/weeks. The policing looked to be heavy handed in its response, but some of the details coming out from the French which suggest there were 10k-20k Liverpool fans headed to the stadium without genuine match tickets would be the key contributor and people need to be held to account where possible for creating a dangerous situation. I’ll withhold my final judgement until more details are available but it looks like “a few” chanced their arm on fraudulently getting into the stadium, and those are the ones who should be held to account by the club and authorities too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MalletFox said: I’m looking forward to seeing and hearing the full details coming out over the coming days/weeks. The policing looked to be heavy handed in its response, but some of the details coming out from the French which suggest there were 10k-20k Liverpool fans headed to the stadium without genuine match tickets would be the key contributor and people need to be held to account where possible for creating a dangerous situation. I’ll withhold my final judgement until more details are available but it looks like “a few” chanced their arm on fraudulently getting into the stadium, and those are the ones who should be held to account by the club and authorities too. Klopp didn't help the situation, there was bound to be large numbers trying it on. There were roughly 60000 fans there and they only had 20000 tickets allocated to them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10789729/Klopp-tells-Liverpool-fans-Paris-Champions-League-final-regardless-having-ticket.html Edited 30 May 2022 by yorkie1999 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 13 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: Klopp didn't help the situation, there was bound to be large numbers trying it on. There were roughly 60000 fans there and they only had 20000 tickets allocated to them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10789729/Klopp-tells-Liverpool-fans-Paris-Champions-League-final-regardless-having-ticket.html He can be a gobshite but to be fair to Klopp I think encouraging people to go Paris is fair game. There would have been thousands of us in bars in Tirana watching the Conference League final if we were there. He's not telling people to go to the stadium ticketless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: What are you on about they just won the European cup Or even the Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 49 minutes ago, Nalis said: He can be a gobshite but to be fair to Klopp I think encouraging people to go Paris is fair game. There would have been thousands of us in bars in Tirana watching the Conference League final if we were there. He's not telling people to go to the stadium ticketless. Exactly this, and if what the French authorities have said is true, I.e, 10k-20k Liverpool fans travelled to the stadium without a legitimate ticket then the root cause of the issues caused sit with those supporters. I’ve seen several posts on social media of Liverpool fans blagging their way in, hard to have too much sympathy with them if that’s the case, but let’s see what’s recognised as the key contributors for the issues 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 Tories will push for an enquiry in the hope it’ll sway some of their ‘**** the Tories’ voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 Just the fourth story change from the French authorities now. For a bloke who took the piss out of Trump, he don’t half use the same tactics Macron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 1 hour ago, MalletFox said: Exactly this, and if what the French authorities have said is true, I.e, 10k-20k Liverpool fans travelled to the stadium without a legitimate ticket then the root cause of the issues caused sit with those supporters. I’ve seen several posts on social media of Liverpool fans blagging their way in, hard to have too much sympathy with them if that’s the case, but let’s see what’s recognised as the key contributors for the issues 👀 We'll probably find there were fans turning up late and without tickets as usual but we won't here from them so it will just be those innocent ones caught up in it all that will complain about their treatment and behaviour of the local police. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 28 minutes ago, Super_horns said: We'll probably find there were fans turning up late and without tickets as usual but we won't here from them so it will just be those innocent ones caught up in it all that will complain about their treatment and behaviour of the local police. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle Lots of Liverpool fans congregating outside a stadium when they don’t have a ticket. Where have we heard that before? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 I mean just think about what you’re all saying for a moment. Top estimates are 60k Liverpool fans were in Paris. Their allocation was 20k. The neutral areas, where I was, were dominated with red. And our tickets were via the uefa app, so you can’t scam that. There is no way in hell anywhere near 10k tried to get in the Liverpool end without tickets, the one cranky RER line that took them all there wouldn’t have coped with it. Despite the 3 posts you’ve seen on Twitter showing Liverpool fans blagging their way in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Fox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 Champions League final: Uefa commissions independent report into scenes outside stadium - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61636938 I imagine the report will read. There were scousers there. The end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 An interesting point, can't really argue against it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 2 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said: I mean just think about what you’re all saying for a moment. Top estimates are 60k Liverpool fans were in Paris. Their allocation was 20k. The neutral areas, where I was, were dominated with red. And our tickets were via the uefa app, so you can’t scam that. There is no way in hell anywhere near 10k tried to get in the Liverpool end without tickets, the one cranky RER line that took them all there wouldn’t have coped with it. Despite the 3 posts you’ve seen on Twitter showing Liverpool fans blagging their way in Bingo. Doesn’t make sense. They’ve double down and changed their story on four occasions. The French govt are an utter joke and trying to politically avoid this becoming a domestic problem. Rugby World Cup and Olympics coming. I must have imagined some of the disorder in French football this last season including probably the worst scenes all season in Saint Etienne last night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 2 hours ago, Col city fan said: Lots of Liverpool fans congregating outside a stadium when they don’t have a ticket. Where have we heard that before? 🤔 What examples are you getting at precisely? It seems to be a lot like to elude to something without actually saying it. If you mean either of the occasions in the 80s, then it was fairly common practice of all football supporters to turn up and pay on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 40 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: An interesting point, can't really argue against it I actually don't get the outrage over this, it wasn't really relevant to want they were presenting and as we've seen after the event the narrative on what actually happened has changed with more information becoming available, I actually respect the fact they didn't just speculate and potentially put out a false narrative 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 5 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: I actually don't get the outrage over this, it wasn't really relevant to want they were presenting and as we've seen after the event the narrative on what actually happened has changed with more information becoming available, I actually respect the fact they didn't just speculate and potentially put out a false narrative Largely not helped by having no control of the cameras available to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 30 May 2022 Share Posted 30 May 2022 49 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: An interesting point, can't really argue against it BT's coverage was shocking as always, I can understand they had to fill a 45 minute slot while the delay was on going but I do think if this had been on Sky or ITV, it would have been handled better. It was 45 minutes of waffle of how great Liverpool fans are! Ever since BT turned up on the scene televising live sport, they have really made televising football unwatchable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 31 May 2022 Author Share Posted 31 May 2022 8 hours ago, Leicesterpool said: BT's coverage was shocking as always, I can understand they had to fill a 45 minute slot while the delay was on going but I do think if this had been on Sky or ITV, it would have been handled better. It was 45 minutes of waffle of how great Liverpool fans are! Ever since BT turned up on the scene televising live sport, they have really made televising football unwatchable. Bit OTT. It wasn't that bad. They haven't made football unwatchable either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Shep Posted 31 May 2022 Share Posted 31 May 2022 French authorities criticising Liverpool fans whilst making no comment on what happened at Saint Etienne amongst others. Righto. I suspect there an element of anglophobia which is ironic considering Liverpool fans don't think they're english! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 31 May 2022 Share Posted 31 May 2022 13 hours ago, Col city fan said: Lots of Liverpool fans congregating outside a stadium when they don’t have a ticket. Where have we heard that before? 🤔 Mate if you are making light of hillsborough you’ve got serious issues. 97 people needlessly lost their lives. I would assume someone who’s consistently banged on about people wearing masks wouldn’t do make light of this 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 31 May 2022 Share Posted 31 May 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: Mate if you are making light of hillsborough you’ve got serious issues. 97 people needlessly lost their lives. I would assume someone who’s consistently banged on about people wearing masks wouldn’t do make light of this Can’t he point out the elephant in the room? He doesn’t work for the BBC who skirt round it conveniently And it might be that the French polices actions prevented another Hillsborough type tragedy? What if they’d just ‘opened the gates’? Edited 31 May 2022 by The Year Of The Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 31 May 2022 Share Posted 31 May 2022 French police are vile Scousers are vile Its like watching a fight between two people you can’t stand, and not giving a monkeys about which one wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 31 May 2022 Share Posted 31 May 2022 13 hours ago, Col city fan said: Lots of Liverpool fans congregating outside a stadium when they don’t have a ticket. Where have we heard that before? 🤔 Liverpool fans can be biggest whinges going at times but thats a bit of a cheap comment there Col. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worth_the_wait Posted 31 May 2022 Share Posted 31 May 2022 2 hours ago, Sir Shep said: I suspect there an element of anglophobia which is ironic considering Liverpool fans don't think they're english! Clearly Liverpool fans didn't have enough big banners saying: "Nous sommes Scousers, pas d'Anglais! Et aussi, nous detestons la famile royale. Et aussi Prince William" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 31 May 2022 Share Posted 31 May 2022 1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Can’t he point out the elephant in the room? He doesn’t work for the BBC who skirt round it conveniently And it might be that the French polices actions prevented another Hillsborough type tragedy? What if they’d just ‘opened the gates’? It’s not the elephant in the room. The crush happened outside the gate in a pre-meditated move. What would’ve happened if they’d opened the gates? Fans would’ve streamed from a narrow and full gantry into an empty airport hanger sized area. Hence people scaled the fences to avoid injury. And for that bloke who’s consistently bleated on about covid to be making light of the death of fellow football fans is incredulous. I’m alright jack, selfish attitude summed up. it’s ok to say ‘I hate scousers so much I’ll take the side of the French’ (who by the way hate you much more than the scousers do). But these ridiculous assertions show a complete lack of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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