Footballwipe Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 Whatever the case, major tournaments need to make their stadiums far more of a fortress than they already are. Jibbing in fans are clearly having a negative impact on getting into stadiums, and it now appears to be some form of trophy and achievement people want to try. Better, stronger and more security, layers of checkpoints starting hundreds and hundreds of yards away will probably come in as well. It's not fair on fans with tickets, I don't think that's up for debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 Some horrible stories of local gangs waiting around post match to mug supporters as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Year Of The Fox Posted 29 May 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 29 May 2022 Just now, Cardiff_Fox said: Some horrible stories of local gangs waiting around post match to mug supporters as well Yeah, and the Parisian gangs 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 7 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Scouse exceptionalism gets on my wick as much as the next man but there's some deliberate ignorance of the facts - let alone actual eyewitness testimony from someone without a dog in the fight - going on in this thread. It's poor form really when the reality is we're a fanbase that has also received poor treatment from foreign authorities. Weren’t we blamed for that? Rather than the Spanish police. That’s how I recall it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 1 minute ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Weren’t we blamed for that? Rather than the Spanish police. That’s how I recall it Yep. Not brilliant, is it? Shows what a difference having actual journalists in among it made yesterday. Whichever fanbase they're embedded with, it makes a huge difference to how it's reported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Oldfields Gate Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 I think we need a victory parade for this thread. Far more entertaining than the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 Okay UEFA do the right thing and overturn the result. Once the Scouse Government get involved it will be a Liverpool win yesterday....let it gain momentum.....We should hold a minutes silence to the scousers with fake tickets who weren't let into the ground...dont the stewards know who they are..THEY ARE LIVERPOOL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 2 minutes ago, David Oldfields Gate said: I think we need a victory parade for this thread. Far more entertaining than the game. Speaking of their victory parade, I think it's in pretty poor taste for them to hold it on the anniversary of Heysel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 2 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Speaking of their victory parade, I think it's in pretty poor taste for them to hold it on the anniversary of Heysel. That will be the local Councils fault, not liverpool FC's!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 1 minute ago, Voll Blau said: Yep. Not brilliant, is it? Shows what a difference having actual journalists in among it made yesterday. Whichever fanbase they're embedded with, it makes a huge difference to how it's reported. Same goes with England away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 47 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: The English press are all saying its a shambles caused by the organisers. But I've not seen anywhere near the same issues reported I'm the Madrid end and you could see it was far more orderly in their end? It's not just isolated to Liverpool but English football has a massive drug problem and jibbing is becoming common place. Haven't seen it as much elsewhere so could be wrong but Madrid looked fine. Again, not true. I was in the neutral section so walked all the way round the Madrid end to get to my seat. We saw 15/20 Madrid smash through a barrier to get in, Madrid fan punched a cop, one threw his beer on a cop. In our section 5/6 Madrid fans on the stairs who got in with fake tickets. All jostling/shoving/pushing at their gates to get in. Their fanzone was next to the stadium and they got waved in. The entrance to the ground was the Liverpool fanzone where we were all day (30 min tube away) was subject to multiple ‘checks’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 51 minutes ago, Spudulike said: BBC 5Live dedicating the programme to the poor Liverpool fans. Its as if they are the only fans to have had a problem in a Euro match, ever. They conveniently ignored the batoning of Leicester fans sitting quietly in Madrid bars in 2017. Apparently Liverpool fans climbing fences was because they were scared of the situation they were in No other fans have these excuses made up for them. They are untouchable on the BBC. Did Liverpool lose the match on the pitch or was it all the fault of the police? Again, total rubbish. I scaled the fence because I was scared of what may happen next as the crush intensified. I’m probably on one of these videos. A kid next to me was getting wiped out and, along with his dad, could barely get him over. Id like to see how you would handle the situation if you were there. I had a real match ticket 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OntarioFox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 9 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said: I take it all back. They're alright, are Everton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 it sounds like there was no control on proceedings and the police were just going at anyone they could . There will always be fans without tickets at these games trying to get one or in but usually it can be controlled . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Teapot Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 40 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: The fan zone has a lot to do with if you don’t set up check point ticket checks, have information regards timing and a well protected/managed route to the ground. You have thousands of legitimate ticket holders being funnelled through small physical pinch points which slows down the crowds. That’s poor crowd management from the very start. Why didn’t the stadium last night run the same checks it does for other games (speaking to my boss who goes regularly with Wales Rugby) Also what Liverpool did travelling in those numbers is no different to what Feyenoord, Rangers and Frankfurt have done in recent weeks (the latter doing it repeatedly over the last few weeks). Where were the issues in those games then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Teapot Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 17 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: Again, total rubbish. I scaled the fence because I was scared of what may happen next as the crush intensified. I’m probably on one of these videos. A kid next to me was getting wiped out and, along with his dad, could barely get him over. Id like to see how you would handle the situation if you were there. I had a real match ticket Its not totally the fans fault and its not totally the polices fault but if a minority of idiots forge tickets and jib this is what happens. The scale of the issue far worse on the Liverpool side and there's no excuse for that other than a load of dickheads forging tickets. Happened with us at psv and Rome but luckily we got away with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 Something very enjoyable about the Liverpool pundits being proved totally wrong. Hopefully the hype will come when the big trophies are won from now on. Doubt it will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 9 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Where were the issues in those games then? Sevilla as a city was set up better for ticketless fans as they set up events with big screens including one of these being setting up in a stadium holding 30k, that helps when it comes to hosting ticketless fans. Both Frankfurt and Rangers fans were dealt with heavy handed outside the ground. Numerous belongings taken off them and then when getting in the ground, there was no available water. Stories of fans pulling apart sprinkler pipe work to get a drink in 33 degree heat. Frankfurt throughout their run have been notorious for taking over cities with thousands of ticketless fans. In recent memory this included them overpowering Arsenals security staff and getting hundreds into the Emirates without ticket. Again in Tirana, they made the sensible decision to set up a big screen in the Feyenoord fan area to give an expected 4k ticketless supporters an area to mill. Well documented the trouble in the city the night before with over 100 arrests and deportations across the two sets of fans. To make the very simplistic argument that some fault lies at Klopp telling Liverpool to travel to Paris is nonsense tribal football whataboutery. There is always for an European Cup final going to be jibbers. There is always going to be ticketless fans. There is always going to be thousands upon thousands. Plan, organise and police it better (Rome did this largely brilliantly in the circumstance at the start of the month for our visit). Cities and stadiums can’t lap up the boost to the economy by hosting but then not be willing to organise themselves properly. For some unknown reason the operation last night at Stade de France completely went away from their normal plan and it just fell into chaos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
String fellow Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 1 hour ago, Raj said: Are scousers playing the victims AGAIN???? NEVER their fault is it. Thanks you Ancelloti Thank you REAL kings of Europe. Football was saved yesterday! Liverpool the greatest team of the season win the FA cup and Carabao cup on penalties.... w@nkers Probably the first club ever to play 330 minutes of cup final football in one season without scoring a single goal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 43 minutes ago, OntarioFox said: I take it all back. They're alright, are Everton. Except coach innovations is a real company based in Worcestershire strange folk Evertonians ……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 (edited) This is some of the stuff I’m getting at an organisational level. Creating obscene bottlenecks with physical barriers Also credible sources saying that the fake tickets was predominantly local gangs from Saint Denis Anyway I’ve said my piece Edited 29 May 2022 by Cardiff_Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OntarioFox Posted 29 May 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 29 May 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said: You go to an England game and it’s always the fans fault. You go away with Liverpool and it’s the polices? Either way, a superb night for English football It's uncanny though how it's always English fans abroad that cause problems though, isn't it? And I very intentionally use the word English, because I know it gets under the skin of Liverpudlians. The French police had plenty to chew on in the two days leading up to the match - reports of Liverpool fans getting pissed up, getting arrested, being louts in bars and getting thrown out of various famous attractions for treating them as just another terrace (Eiffel Tower, the Louvre etc.) Plenty of regular tourists had their trip of a lifetime to those places ruined by having to listen to Scousers yelling about Salah and Klopp in front of the Mona Lisa and at the top of the tower, or pasting the Champs-Elysee with vomit. Maybe i'm not 'old-skool' enough to understand, but in the times I have followed Leicester abroad, I've never felt the urge to engage in the utter disrespect for other cultures that you see time and time again. But I did see it from a small number of our own fans as well. There's always an element of Brits abroad that ruins European games for genuine, decent fans who see it for the privilege it is. With that in mind, and given I have heard almost no reports of Madrid fans (generally a pretty awful lot) causing similar scenes around Paris, you'll have to forgive me for not being surprised that the police operation at the ground was primarily targeted towards the Liverpool fans. That's generally how policing works. You target the areas where trouble has already been documented. Was it heavy handed? Yes. Was the kettling necessary? Absolutely not, and they're right to complain about the danger it caused. Did lots of innocent fans have to go through a horrible experience? Definitely. Did some of those fans with fake tickets buy them in good faith that they were genuine? Probably. Are Liverpool right to claim it's an injustice? That is a far greyer question. What sticks in my craw, and why I generally have no time for Liverpool fans (regardless of their tragic history) is their insistence on being different, somehow better than us. On not being like the rest. On not even identifying as English. Well, they can kid themselves all they like. Their fans' DNA is painted with exactly the same lager lout mentality that anyone else on this windswept rock has. And Liverpool fans engaging in that classic, moronic, Norf FC behaviour in the past few days has undoubtedly contributed to the unsavoury scenes we witnessed yesterday. Edited 29 May 2022 by OntarioFox That last sentence was probably a bit loaded - I'm not trying to point the finger solely at Liverpool, because the organisation of the event was appalling by all accounts. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 13 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Sevilla as a city was set up better for ticketless fans as they set up events with big screens including one of these being setting up in a stadium holding 30k, that helps when it comes to hosting ticketless fans. Both Frankfurt and Rangers fans were dealt with heavy handed outside the ground. Numerous belongings taken off them and then when getting in the ground, there was no available water. Stories of fans pulling apart sprinkler pipe work to get a drink in 33 degree heat. Frankfurt throughout their run have been notorious for taking over cities with thousands of ticketless fans. In recent memory this included them overpowering Arsenals security staff and getting hundreds into the Emirates without ticket. Again in Tirana, they made the sensible decision to set up a big screen in the Feyenoord fan area to give an expected 4k ticketless supporters an area to mill. Well documented the trouble in the city the night before with over 100 arrests and deportations across the two sets of fans. To make the very simplistic argument that some fault lies at Klopp telling Liverpool to travel to Paris is nonsense tribal football whataboutery. There is always for an European Cup final going to be jibbers. There is always going to be ticketless fans. There is always going to be thousands upon thousands. Plan, organise and police it better (Rome did this largely brilliantly in the circumstance at the start of the month for our visit). Cities and stadiums can’t lap up the boost to the economy by hosting but then not be willing to organise themselves properly. For some unknown reason the operation last night at Stade de France completely went away from their normal plan and it just fell into chaos. I dont want to attach blame on what caused the problems. I just want to say I'm not sure why so many people want to travel to another city without a ticket or prospect of getting one. Not directing criticism at any particular club. I get the collective tribal thing but could they not watch in their own locale. This taking over city centres well before the match is probably not welcome by local people or the authorities. Not excusing any mistreatment of decent fans just trying to queue up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 Reading through the thread from before the game yesterday, the levels of anti-Scouse vitriol was genuinely unhinged, especially in light of what’s emerging now. Some of you seriously need some help, Tom3647485822 especially 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 29 May 2022 Share Posted 29 May 2022 14 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: This is some of the stuff I’m getting at an organisational level. Creating obscene bottlenecks with physical barriers Also credible sources saying that the fake tickets was predominantly local gangs from Saint Denis Anyway I’ve said my piece Local gangs are the Paris supporters group of Liverppol FC. Tgey have "fans" all over the galaxy you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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