West Ham United 4-1 Leicester City - Post Match Thread

[turtmcfly]

8 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Aside from Tielemens Ndidi and Ricardo, we were an absolute joke tonight.

We are in major trouble this season if we don’t get through the transfer window with Tielemens still here.

Fofana and Evans are so good and it showed tonight for the whole world to see.

 

You wot? 

[Mythyaar]

Hopefully, Dewsbury Hall will get a run out now.

[EastAnglianFox]

I think we all know that regardless of this Brendan is not going to change his way, its happened to many times now. 

 

The man has given us so so much but fvck me he winds me up

[deanolegend1989]

Just now, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Tielemans and Ndidi were totally dominated by West Ham's midfield. Both poor. They were all poor.

Disagree. West Ham we’re fantastic at pressing and physical. There’s only so much 2 players can do when the rest were absolute toilet.

Perez Madders Vardy Barnes are all passengers. Vardy offers nothing in games like this anymore, Madders is too slow, Perez has no ability to create or finish and Barnes isn’t back in full flow yet and constantly gets double marked.
We are so easy to play against and we have been for months.

The reason we have been ‘getting by’ is because we’ve been solid and knicked 1-0s. We did that because we had a strong defence to make up for it.

Now we have a poor defence as well and really we are a very average team , bar the few I mentioned.

Make no mistake we are in big sh*t if Youri leaves.

 

5 minutes ago, lcfc cowboys said:

I must have been watching a different game because the game I watched no one can take any credit tonight

They did as well as they could in the circumstances. We had 10 men, how much work did Youri have to go through? Still managed to score. Wilf got run around a bit but still made a lot of tackles and some great stuff. The other 8 players were an absolute joke but these 2 stood us as much as they can. There are only 2 real assets , along with little Wes, so enjoy them whilst we can.

[wardyfox86]

2 minutes ago, foxfan92 said:

I'll always mock the anti Rodger brigade.

 

In over 40 years of supporting the club, the league winning season aside, we've never been consistently as good in the top flight.

 

MON era was great, but we never staying within the top 4 for 2 seasons in a row, and we just won the FA Cup for the first time in our history.

 

Look at Chelsea last season losing to WBA and being played off the pitch in that one game. But that's it isn't it? One game.

 

Yes we have lost badly to West Ham last season too, so lessons not learned, but let's wait to judge him and the players after we've played more than just 2 games of the season shall we (we won the other lets not forget).

Depends what you consider good. We have consistently got results, but we haven't been "good" in the league for some time now.

 

There's a huge lack of excitement in our performances and our ability to implode both within a game and for a run of games is Arsenal-esque.

 

He's brought great times to this football club, but at the same time it feels like we lack personality and individual brilliance. 

[Guest Manini]

Devils advocate - but say we fail to beat Norwich, then lose to Man City - does pressure start to build for the first time? It would be interesting to see how he reacts when his back is against the wall, we haven’t ever, ever had to see him in that situation before whilst he’s been with us. It’s exciting, but I feel like it could be for the wrong reasons this year if the above plays out  

Edited 23 August 2021 by Manini

[SouthStandUpperTier]

15 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Disagree. West Ham we’re fantastic at pressing and physical. There’s only so much 2 players can do when the rest were absolute toilet.

Perez Madders Vardy Barnes are all passengers. Vardy offers nothing in games like this anymore, Madders is too slow, Perez has no ability to create or finish and Barnes isn’t back in full flow yet and constantly gets double marked.
We are so easy to play against and we have been for months.

The reason we have been ‘getting by’ is because we’ve been solid and knicked 1-0s. We did that because we had a strong defence to make up for it.

Now we have a poor defence as well and really we are a very average team , bar the few I mentioned.

Make no mistake we are in big sh*t if Youri leaves.

 

They did as well as they could in the circumstances. We had 10 men, how much work did Youri have to go through? Still managed to score. Wilf got run around a bit but still made a lot of tackles and some great stuff. The other 8 players were an absolute joke but these 2 stood us as much as they can. There are only 2 real assets , along with little Wes, so enjoy them whilst we can.

Sorry. I don't respect your opinion on anything football related. We both know that if Mendy had put in a performance similar to what Tielemans or Ndidi did tonight you'd be slagging him off. You have absolutely no credibility.

Edited 24 August 2021 by SouthStandUpperTier

[Hammo]

Lamentable in so many ways - and extremely embarrassing for Soyuncu, Perez and especially Rodgers, whose stubborn, one-dimensional tactics have once again been brutally exposed - but hardly terminal.

 

You win some, you lose some. On to the next one…

[Sampson]

15 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Aside from Tielemens Ndidi and Ricardo, we were an absolute joke tonight.

 

I genuinely think Ndidi was the worst player on the pitch. Worse than Soyuncu and Perez even. We lost the game in midfield because he got bullied all game.

Ndidi is a great player, but when he has a stinker (like both today and against Wolves), he gets so much of a free pass.

Ndidi and Tielemans attempted 11 tackles between them today and won 3 - usually a 70% tackle success rate is considered mediocre, not a 27% one. We were overrun in midfield today, can't believe anyone would hold up Tielemans and Ndidi as good today.

Edited 23 August 2021 by Sampson

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, Mythyaar said:

Hopefully, Dewsbury Hall will get a run out now.

Just play Nacho

[AS78UK]

35 points needed from 36 games.....I think we still got this....stop panicking!

[Bert]

Not making any excuses but I can’t believe how little is being made of Perez being fouled in the build up to the red. 

[enmac]

Support from Jason Cundy! 

"No Evans, Fofana, Vestergaard, Justin. That's a back 4."

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

5 minutes ago, Bert said:

Kasper put us in a lot of trouble with his kicks

This is becoming painful. One of the goals actually began with him giving the ball back to them. Think it was the second. And he’s been like it for a while now. Sometimes people need to acknowledge their limitations…

[BlueSi13]

Norwich City away now feels absolutely huge.

 

They will be feeling very positive after tonight.

 

We need a result and maybe more importantly a performance.

[Dr The Singh]

Has BR done his interview yet.

 

Does he blame the red card?

[HankMarvin]

Just now, enmac said:

Support from Jason Cundy! 

"No Evans, Fofana, Vestergaard, Justin. That's a back 4."

what about Timmy

regardless of the defence its how the team played in general. Fluked a goal 1 shot on target

[Guest ttfn]

I said it in the match thread but we are now basically a slightly worse version of the Arsenal side that everyone used to mock for finishing 4th under Wenger between about 2012 and 2016.

 

We’ve got some fantastically gifted players, a coach with a philosophy bordering on zealous (and, like a latter-era Wenger Rodgers has even shown an ability to temper that for big games), we won the FA Cup last season but we have no on-field leadership or physicality and are prone to throw in a shambolic performance about once every 6-8 games. 

People will forgive a lot for seeing a team which consistently shows character when the going gets tough. There was none of that today and it is a recurring theme.

[Guest kristianity77]

1 minute ago, Manini said:

Devils advocate - but say we fail to beat Norwich, then lose to Man City - does pressure start to build for the first time? It would be interesting to see how he reacts when his back is against the wall, we haven’t ever, ever had to see him in that situation before whilst he’s been with us. It’s exciting, but I feel like for the wrong reasons this year  

But that's just it isn't it.  Norwich at home could easily turn us over if we play anything like that an Man City are capable of turning us over no matter how well we play.

 

We could be sitting on one win and three losses easily enough in a couple of weeks time.

 

Having said that I don't think we will.  I think we will beat Norwich but lose to man city so 6 points from the first 4 which is meh, but with our injuries, that would probably be par for the course. 

 

But it is odd that collectively as a fan base, we all agree to a man where we are glaringly short, yet so far, we've done nothing to address it.  

[jim5000]

On the train back. Pretty terrible second half. First half was fairly even but WH clearly had a game plan to beat us and carried it out well. Pressed out dangerous players exceptionally and limited us to using Cags and Amartey as our playmakers.

 

Red looked harsh from in the ground but couldn’t really see it. Second half we completely collapsed.

 

Poor all over from us, we didn’t make a single clear cut chance the whole match whereas West Ham took all of theirs.

 

Only positive is Perez is suspended 

[deanolegend1989]

Just now, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Sorry. I don't respect your opinion on anything football related. We both know that if Mendy had put in a performance similar what to Tielemans or Ndidi did tonight you'd be slagging him off. You have absolutely no credibility.

Let’s just say, you better pray Youri doesn’t leave and then you’ll start to see yourself how far we drop.

Mendy has fallen far off the pecking order and rightly so because he’s absolutely awful and Brendan realised a lot later than he should, better late than never though. 

 

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

I genuinely think Ndidi was the worst player on the pitch. Worse than Soyuncu and Perez even. We lost the game in midfield because he got bullied all game.

Ndidi is a great player, but when he has a stinker (like both today and against Wolves), he gets so much of a free pass.

Ndidi didn’t have a stinker, he was alright but made mistakes too. We had 10 men yet left 2 in the middle and expected to hold it. We were carrying the front 4(3 when Perez was off). Brendan needed to add another body, he gives too much work to Youri and Wilf because there so good but when you have Soucek Rice and Benrahma and then Antonio also dropping in, you need another body in there, especially with 10 men! Brendan should of brought on Soumare and gone 432 to combat West Ham’s physicality. 

[Pliskin]

Just now, Bert said:

Not making any excuses but I can’t believe how little is being made of Perez being fouled in the build up to the red. 

It was a foul, but unfortunately for Perez he does lose his balance but unintentionally or not his foot end up in a horrific position…. And there’s only ever one thing going to happen there, and it’s a red card. Will be interesting to see if the club appeal, but it wouldn’t ever get rescinded. It’s almost like because Perez’s challenge looked worse (which is was) the fact he was fouled before is immaterial. 
 

All in all, it was probably as bad as it could get tonight, unless you’re Southampton…..

 

But if we’re happy to put 9 past poor old Southampton, we’ve got to take this one on the chin. 
 

Forget this now, it’s how we react. Oh and we simply have to beat these in the reverse fixture, Rodgers can’t be undone 4 times by Moyes 

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

Tactically Naive.  A midfield of Maddison/Youri/Barnes/Ricardo/Perez is open to being  bullied away from home. Something has got to give. 
 

 

[jmono84]

We need to learn to just keep the ball. Before their goal all they did was wait for us to make a poor pass and they countered.

 

BR needs to come up work a better plan going forward against teams that sit in like West Ham and it ain’t play a striker who we all know would have little influence in the game. We had nothing going forward because how deep West Ham were and we knew they would set up like this, why didn’t BR figure this out, it’s not like it’s worked the past 2 games against them!

 

Fully expect the same performance against other similar teams going forward. He needs to be able to recognise when to play more suitable players! Idiot

[foxfan92]

1 minute ago, wardyfox86 said:

Depends what you consider good. We have consistently got results, but we haven't been "good" in the league for some time now.

 

There's a huge lack of excitement in our performances and our ability to implode both within a game and for a run of games is Arsenal-esque.

 

He's brought great times to this football club, but at the same time it feels like we lack personality and individual brilliance. 

Our average league position for the last almost 80 games is 3rd/4th.

 

Yes we've played a number of bad games (after first lockdown for example), but we've also beaten the so called big 6 more times than we've lost, won a cup and (if you look back at the post match reports from the last 2 seasons) produced enough exciting football to make this place seem cheery more often than not.

 

It just seems like human nature ... or at least on Foxestalk ... to hold onto the negative aspects more strongly than the positive ones.

 

Rodgers has his faults, but then name one manager in the league who doesn't???

 

I wasnt a Rodgers fan when we appointed him, but the vast majority of the results under his management have been good ones, and I just think those slagging him off need to be careful what they wish for, because I'm not convinced whoever succeeds BR will give us the same win ratios he manages.