Worst ever manager

[Dan]

5 minutes ago, Sly said:

If Rodgers had been dismissed earlier and we’d avoided relegation, he’d be looked at in a different light.

 

He had the nucleus of a very good team still. 
 

No idea why he didn’t use Soyuncu or Vestergaard, then persisted in playing Ward and Amartey. As bad as we were, that team still could have stayed up. 
 

However the acquisitions under Coopers reign have crippled this club. Ayew, Reid, Skipp would never have been here under Maresca. 

The question remains, who sanctioned any of those signings? Was it the manager at the time, Glover, Rudkin or Aiywatt? All in all, none of them are as bad as Taylor. 

 

He was trying to get the sack. It's the only plausible explanation.

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Dan said:

And a lot of that squad are either still here, or only recently left, despite offering basically nothing.

 

Rudkin and Aiyawatt are bigger problems, but as a manager Rodgers was absolutely catastrophic for us in the long run.

and this was obviously a risk, because we had his previous clubs records with abysmal recruitment. A smart board would have kept him at arms length and restricted him on that (tell the recruitment team what profile he wants, final sign off on the options presented by them, no picking his own targets). Although, a smart board would have let him go to Arsenal when he was still very much in the honeymoon phase (like 6 months in the job) and started making eyes at them, rather than giving him one of the biggest contracts in world football.

[Dan]

Just now, The Doctor said:

and this was obviously a risk, because we had his previous clubs records with abysmal recruitment. A smart board would have kept him at arms length and restricted him on that (tell the recruitment team what profile he wants, final sign off on the options presented by them, no picking his own targets). Although, a smart board would have let him go to Arsenal when he was still very much in the honeymoon phase (like 6 months in the job) and started making eyes at them, rather than giving him one of the biggest contracts in world football.

Correct. We showed how small-time we were that day. We acted like he was bigger than the club. We've continued to do this with an ever decreasing quality of player now.

[Sly]

15 minutes ago, Ted Maul said:

It's still Taylor. Took a club ready to challenge for Europe in the league to the brink of extinction. Comically out of his depth.

 

On Rodgers- has anyone else got a case to be a club's best and worst manager in their history, within the same spell? 

 

 

I think most clubs sack managers before it becomes that toxic. We have Rodgers another 6 - 12 months really, after he should have gone. Ranieri could have fallen into this category if he’d have got the same backing and relegated us. 
 

I can’t think of anyone else though.
 

Martinez at Wigan maybe? 

I guess Clough at Forest fits the bill, albeit over a longer period of time. 

[Corky]

8 minutes ago, Dan said:

He was trying to get the sack. It's the only plausible explanation.

He just about stopped short of saying "I want to be sacked". Unfortunately the starstruck morons in charge didn't understand subtlety or covert messaging.

[Guy]

9 hours ago, everton carr said:

You want to watch highlights on YouTube of the Leicester v Sheffield United game from 1990 the fly on the wall coverage of Bassett giving a team talk at half time is comedy gold

It didn't do the Blades any harm mind!

[Guy]

9 hours ago, Clogger_ said:

Puel objectively did a good job with us, better than most realised at the time. Don't love the bloke, but respect where it's due

Indeed, Puel and his scout's recruitment was pretty sharp - which set it up for Rodgers to follow on successfully for two seasons of course...something which made him look better than he actually was as a manager. The same as Ranieri after Pearson ... arguably! 

[Guy]

8 hours ago, Soar Fox said:

We didn’t fluke the Fa Cup, we beat 4 premier league teams and a Brentford team that went onto to get promoted that season. Saying we fluked it is like when people try and downplay our title win by saying all the big teams were rubbish that year. 

Not much to be honest, I’ve said before he should have been sacked after the Tottenham hammering. He was probably promised funds to spend in the summer which he didn’t get (the club have been known to lie to managers about money being available to spend) and he lost his captain, best GK and biggest leader in the changing rooms 4 days before the start of the season. 

The club is an absolute mess and has been for years it’s just unfortunate for him he was the manager at the time when the decline was starting to set in. It’s not like the club has got any better since he left, but instead of people putting the blame on the manager (like they did Rodgers) they now know it’s the people running the club that are the problem. 

I think the post was meaning we'd never have won the FA Cup that year had Covid restrictions not been on going and in turn normal crowds had been present in the grounds....somewhat I concur with that as that altered the atmosphere entirely and probably the teams too. I know it was the same for all the teams but every game must have been like a training session in front of the cameras for the players who weren't subjected to the artificial crowd noise like we were on the box at home! Somehow I think all that worked in our favour for that one off occasion. As for the defence of it less than a year later at Steve Cooper's Forest under Rodgers  - er, no comment!!

 

[MPH]

So if we look at how badly the players played under you, it would have to be David Pleat.

 

If you look at the quality of signings made, it would have to be David Pleat.

 

 

but if you look at how  they slid down the  table under their leadership, it would have to be David Pleat.

 

However if we had to choose a winner based on how many times they visited Highfields to pick up prostitutes , it would have to be David Pleat.

[bovril]

9 hours ago, Soar Fox said:

We didn’t fluke the Fa Cup, we beat 4 premier league teams and a Brentford team that went onto to get promoted that season. Saying we fluked it is like when people try and downplay our title win by saying all the big teams were rubbish that year. 

Unfortunately I hear it a lot that we fluked it, often from the type of people who say we have a small club mentality. 

[Clogger_]

6 hours ago, Guy said:

Indeed, Puel and his scout's recruitment was pretty sharp - which set it up for Rodgers to follow on successfully for two seasons of course...something which made him look better than he actually was as a manager. The same as Ranieri after Pearson ... arguably! 

There's no arguably, they both inherited fantastic situations. In both cases things swiftly unravelled when they made their own decisions on staff and recruitment. (Will never take away from the miracle that Claudio helped to deliver though!)

[murphy]

The only correct answer to this question is Brendan Rodgers.  It's mad to say that about an FA Cup winning manager but all of those on the list were giving of their best.  Brendan wasn't.  He ripped up our successful transfer model and basically left the bridge as we careered toward the iceberg. 

 

Our current plight leads back to him. 

Edited 15 February by murphy

[Ted Maul]

12 hours ago, Sly said:

I think most clubs sack managers before it becomes that toxic. We have Rodgers another 6 - 12 months really, after he should have gone. Ranieri could have fallen into this category if he’d have got the same backing and relegated us. 
 

I can’t think of anyone else though.
 

Martinez at Wigan maybe? 

I guess Clough at Forest fits the bill, albeit over a longer period of time. 

Martinez kept Wigan up a few times. Always felt like relegation was an inevitability for them at some point, so doubt many of their fans would have him in the category of worst managers. Could be wrong though.

 

Clough is an interesting one- there are probably a lot of examples going back a few decades when sacking were less common and managers stuck around for years. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

Just to put another side of the argument with regards to Rodgers. Season 1: the entire summer the club are negotiating the sale of Maguire - on the day they sell him, they make a speculative bid for Ake. No replacement. 
 

That January, on the verge of CL, and after the summer fiasco, they bring Ryan Bennett on the final day of the window. 
 

We sell Chilwell in the summer, after half a season of knowing. Chilwell being who he is starts telling the players he might be playing with Thiago Silva - the worst kept secret. We bring Castagne, a right back a few weeks into the window. 
 

Finally, that 2022 summer, we release Kasper, sign no replacement. We sell Fofana and rush through Faes. 
 

If it wasn’t for his shit signings in the summer before or his behaviour in the final season, I might have had sympathy with him in working with the incompetence

[everton carr]

11 hours ago, MPH said:

So if we look at how badly the players played under you, it would have to be David Pleat.

 

If you look at the quality of signings made, it would have to be David Pleat.

 

 

but if you look at how  they slid down the  table under their leadership, it would have to be David Pleat.

 

However if we had to choose a winner based on how many times they visited Highfields to pick up prostitutes , it would have to be David Pleat.

David Pleat  made some very good signings at Leicester some sold for decent profit Gary Mills David Kelly Tommy Wright David Oldfield Peter Weir  Nicky Cross were all decent players apart from Oldfield and Mills all sold for a profit

[Tommy Fresh]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Season 1: the entire summer the club are negotiating the sale of Maguire - on the day they sell him, they make a speculative bid for Ake. No replacement. 

Pretty sure we signed Benkovic and Soyuncu the summer before to allow them a year to settle in, in preparation for Maguire leaving. We didn't actually need to replace him did we.

[Mickyblueeyes]

23 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Pretty sure we signed Benkovic and Soyuncu the summer before to allow them a year to settle in, in preparation for Maguire leaving. We didn't actually need to replace him did we.

If I remember rightly there were questions around Soyuncu being ready and Benkovic was quite injury prone. We (at least) enquired at the time for Ake and Tarkowski and were priced out as we left it until after we had sold and were being held to ransom. 

[Tommy Fresh]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

If I remember rightly there were questions around Soyuncu being ready and Benkovic was quite injury prone. We (at least) enquired at the time for Ake and Tarkowski and were priced out as we left it until after we had sold and were being held to ransom. 

Questions regardless, we'd signed two centre backs the year before I'm guessing with the idea of Maguire likely moving on, Soyuncu turned out to be fine as well, so selling Maguire was hardly a huge negative really. 

[MPH]

57 minutes ago, everton carr said:

David Pleat  made some very good signings at Leicester some sold for decent profit Gary Mills David Kelly Tommy Wright David Oldfield Peter Weir  Nicky Cross were all decent players apart from Oldfield and Mills all sold for a profit

I’d disagree  calling some of those players ‘good’. Gary mills, and Tommy Wright I would, but not necessarily the others . David Kelly for example only played for us for one season and only score like  6 or 7 goals.. but as happens I don’t think pleat signed Tommy wright, but he played him of course..

Edited 15 February by MPH

[Guy]

6 hours ago, Clogger_ said:

There's no arguably, they both inherited fantastic situations. In both cases things swiftly unravelled when they made their own decisions on staff and recruitment. (Will never take away from the miracle that Claudio helped to deliver though!)

Indeed, very true. I think both Rodgers and Ranieri were 'found out' when it came to both making their own player signings and some staff choices, etc as you say, Rodgers in particular. Both regimes were very culpable re their mostly bad signings a short period after success when given cash to splash about, sadly on both occasions most of it was on utter dross as we all know. Ranieri to his credit added the magic dust sprinkling to enable the Premier League title win though whereas Rodgers rode on the coattails of the Puel era's great recruitment as regards players.

Edited 15 February by Guy

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

3 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just to put another side of the argument with regards to Rodgers. Season 1: the entire summer the club are negotiating the sale of Maguire - on the day they sell him, they make a speculative bid for Ake. No replacement. 
 

That January, on the verge of CL, and after the summer fiasco, they bring Ryan Bennett on the final day of the window. 
 

We sell Chilwell in the summer, after half a season of knowing. Chilwell being who he is starts telling the players he might be playing with Thiago Silva - the worst kept secret. We bring Castagne, a right back a few weeks into the window. 
 

Finally, that 2022 summer, we release Kasper, sign no replacement. We sell Fofana and rush through Faes. 
 

If it wasn’t for his shit signings in the summer before or his behaviour in the final season, I might have had sympathy with him in working with the incompetence

That Ryan Bennett window was atrocious, we were in such a great position for Champions League football and just needed to speculate to accumulate, instead we sign Bennett and fall away dramatically out of the Champions League places. 

[foxfanazer]

Peter Taylor but I hate Rodgers more

[SouthStandUpperTier]

8 minutes ago, MPH said:

David Kelly for example only played for us for one season and only score like  6 or 7 goals..

25 goals In 75 games across 3 different seasons (only 1 full season though - 90/91 where he scored 14)...

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/history/players/david-kelly/

[Gazza M]

RVN by a country mile. 

[MPH]

1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

25 goals In 75 games across 3 different seasons (only 1 full season though - 90/91 where he scored 14)...

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/history/players/david-kelly/

 

thank you.