If Rodgers Goes...

[Guest Danny Clender]

7 hours ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

This topic is everything that is wrong with football fans theses days.

 

No patients. 

 

We are not going to get European football every season just be happy we are in the race.

 

We are not going to win silverware every season.

 

A season like this builds a team, helps players develop, you get to find your weak links and improve as squad going forward.

 

As long as we don't find ourselves in a relegation battle this season i don't see the need to sack BR.

 

Don't get me wrong I don't agree with every descion he has made but I'm backing him.

Yep, totally agree with this.

It’s evident now the thrill the media is feasting on with 5 managers sacked, so far, this season. Unfortunately this frenzy is lapped up by too many fans.

 

I think there should be a managers transfer window to allow better respect and decisions to be made by clubs. 
 

[Guest Manini]

7 hours ago, Stadt said:

Jewelleh.

 

Paul Jewell.

I’d like Jurgen Klinsmann 

[Buce]

8 hours ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

This topic is everything that is wrong with football fans theses days.

 

No patients. 

 

We are not going to get European football every season just be happy we are in the race.

 

We are not going to win silverware every season.

 

A season like this builds a team, helps players develop, you get to find your weak links and improve as squad going forward.

 

As long as we don't find ourselves in a relegation battle this season i don't see the need to sack BR.

 

Don't get me wrong I don't agree with every descion he has made but I'm backing him.

 

Have one on me:

 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

You make some good points, but do you not consider for one second that Rodgers effectiveness is wearing off and when managers are in that position, one of two things happens. They overhaul the squad and possibly turn it around or the regression continues and they eventually get the sack/leave.

 

I think we need an overhaul regardless, so whether he's the man to lead the charge is very much based on how he approaches the rest of this season as he tries to keep us competitive and positive.

Its a difficult thing to argue against, and it will only increase (Just saw the Athletic asking if Rodgers has hit a glass ceiling ffs) but....the rabid furore created and embraced by the media seeks to create an entertainment focused outcome, they won`t look at this mid to long term success, merely the outrage of immediacy, the need for the new.

 

Perhaps this is what football management now is, it certainly seems to be, but it feeds into the wave of recency bias prevalent in wider society.

 

If we want a rebuild then Youri and others will need to be sold.

[lcfc sheff]

ideally really we want someone of the Pep / Bielsa mould in my view, currently feels like this squad we have available is being wasted especially the midfield! 

Graham Potter is that man. He’s constantly let down by his squad who can’t finish, imagine what he’d do with Vardy/Iheanacho/Daka at his disposal.

[sylofox]

Thinking perhaps the title should be changed to when not if.

 

He walked away from celtic mid season in a far better position than we are in. United wont wait if they truly want him and I don't see him missing that chance.

 

Personally I cant be doing with his bore fest tactics any longer.

 

I've lost all respect for this man. Let's blame the players because my bore fest tactics are not working. No change your fecking tactics and entertain us. Let the players play in a way they enjoy.

[Matt]

Out of interest what was the consensus when there were Puel in v Puel out arguments?

 

I can’t really remember, it was quite a depressing time which I blanked out due to lack of enthusiasm, think I even took

abit of a hiatus from here during the time - by depressing I mean masked by boredom, frustration and as already mentioned, lack of enthusiasm, very much how I’m feeling now (hyperbole or not).

 

Were there stand out candidates? Was the point made - who could we get in? Was the pool of candidates low/lacking? Was Brendan perceived as ‘out of our reach’? Or we ‘should be careful what we wish for’?

 

Ultimately we ended up with Brendan and it seems we are having the same arguments, again, for very much the same reasons.
 

There are so many parallels that can be drawn and perhaps it’s something the club can look at as it seems this is the direction, the style of play the club have chose to go in which is massively sad to see personally because as I’ve said whoever comes in next I have a horrible feeling will probably have to meet this criteria of playing boring, negative, pOsSeSsIoN BaSeD fOoTbALl on repeat so whatever.    

 

Edited 8 November 2021 by Matt

[sylofox]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

Out of interest what was the consensus when there were Puel in v Puel out arguments?

 

I can’t really remember, it was quite a depressing time which I blanked out due to lack of enthusiasm - by depressing I mean masked by boredom, frustration and as already mentioned, lack of enthusiasm, very much how I’m feeling now (hyperbole or not).

 

Were there stand out candidates? Was the point made - who could we get in? Was the pool of candidates low/lacking? Was Brendan perceived as ‘out of our reach’?

 

Ultimately we ended up with Brendan and it seems we are having the same arguments, again, for very much the same reasons.
 

There are so many parallels that can be drawn and perhaps it’s something the club can look at as it seems this is the direction, the style of play the club have chose to go in which is massively sad to see personally.

 

For me they can bring Preki in as long as he dont have one set pattern of play, that bores the fecking pants off of me.

 

First question to any prospective new manager. "Can you explain how your plan A and B differ and work.

 

If they have to think about terminate the interview immediately.

[StanSP]

14 minutes ago, Matt said:

Out of interest what was the consensus when there were Puel in v Puel out arguments?

 

I can’t really remember, it was quite a depressing time which I blanked out due to lack of enthusiasm - by depressing I mean masked by boredom, frustration and as already mentioned, lack of enthusiasm, very much how I’m feeling now (hyperbole or not).

 

Were there stand out candidates? Was the point made - who could we get in? Was the pool of candidates low/lacking? Was Brendan perceived as ‘out of our reach’?

 

Ultimately we ended up with Brendan and it seems we are having the same arguments, again, for very much the same reasons.
 

There are so many parallels that can be drawn and perhaps it’s something the club can look at as it seems this is the direction, the style of play the club have chose to go in which is massively sad to see personally because as I’ve said whoever comes in next I have a horrible feeling will probably have to meet this criteria of playing boring, negative, pOsSeSsIoN BaSeD fOoTbALl on repeat so whatever.    

 

Did you enjoy any of Rodgers first 12-18 months? You act like it's always been like how it is now. 

[sylofox]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Did you enjoy any of Rodgers first 12-18 months? You act like it's always been like how it is now. 

I did when he arrived and his system worked it was great. But sadly it's been sussed out now and he dont have any other options up his sleeve. Or it takes him to long to make the changes required.

[coolhandfox]

57 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

You make some good points, but do you not consider for one second that Rodgers effectiveness is wearing off and when managers are in that position, one of two things happens. They overhaul the squad and possibly turn it around or the regression continues and they eventually get the sack/leave.

I think thats probably what needed, we need to freshen it up. 

 

However I've see enough since the international break that thing are improving, mainly on the results front. 

 

If that continues it will build confidence and the style of play will improve. 

57 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

I think we need an overhaul regardless, so whether he's the man to lead the charge is very much based on how he approaches the rest of this season as he tries to keep us competitive and positive.

I just don't see the club making a change, so I think he would need to have a drop of form like Puel, Claudio or Shakey.

 

- Puel was sack after a run of winning 1 in 8 with 6 loses.

- Claudio was sack after 1 win in 10, with 7 loses 

- Shakey was sack after 1 win in 8, with 4 loses. 

[Vindaloo FOX]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

You make some good points, but do you not consider for one second that Rodgers effectiveness is wearing off and when managers are in that position, one of two things happens. They overhaul the squad and possibly turn it around or the regression continues and they eventually get the sack/leave.

 

I think we need an overhaul regardless, so whether he's the man to lead the charge is very much based on how he approaches the rest of this season as he tries to keep us competitive and positive.

If he does overhaul the squad it will happen in the summer.

 

For now he needs to get us playing better and winning games.

 

Yes so far it's been very negative football, boring to watch, our home form is awful and zonal-marking has not been working for a long time.

 

But we are 2 points from 6th with some of our best players coming back from injury soon.

 

Give him time to get them back and let's see if he can get the best out of this squad again.

 

As I said if we find ourselves dropping more and more points then something needs to change but for now I feel the man deserves more time.

[Vindaloo FOX]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

Have one on me:

 

The question is can she do a better job than Rodgers though ?

[st albans fox]

25 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think thats probably what needed, we need to freshen it up. 

 

However I've see enough since the international break that thing are improving, mainly on the results front. 

 

If that continues it will build confidence and the style of play will improve. 

I just don't see the club making a change, so I think he would need to have a drop of form like Puel, Claudio or Shakey.

 

- Puel was sack after a run of winning 1 in 8 with 6 loses.

- Claudio was sack after 1 win in 10, with 7 loses 

- Shakey was sack after 1 win in 8, with 4 loses. 

Let’s be honest here

shakey’s football was dire by that stage and consisted of just lumping it long and hoping vards would make something happen 

 

Claudio had completely lost his way which culminated with a terrible last minute change of system for the away fixture in Seville - we had one way of playing and had been completely sussed out.  We relied totally on our collective mentality and a moment of magic from riyad. 
 

puel had long since lost the dressing room and was making some very odd calls (Gray I/o vards up top ???) 

 

brendan is nowhere close to any of those three scenarios.   If he gets tapped up by a yanited and leaves then will all of you who want him gone suddenly become all precious ???   I imagine a few will. Thankfully our club is well run and will not make poor decisions - however, the manager needs to know that the fan base supports him or he could decide to move onwards and decidedly upwards ….. that goes for a few of the players aswell.
 

 SUPPORT YOUR CLUB - they are there for us and we are there for them. Too many think it’s only the former - entitled and opinionated keyboard warriors whose general experience and knowledge of football is centred on FIFA and football manager ……

 

EDIT:  this post should probably be in the Brendan thread - this thread is predicated on rodgers actually leaving, presumably by his call as cannot see any way we would relieve him of his duties ……

 

 

Edited 8 November 2021 by st albans fox

[Matt]

58 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Did you enjoy any of Rodgers first 12-18 months? You act like it's always been like how it is now. 

Some of it was good, I think people over egg how good it was but yeah some of it was good.

 

Listen this is his 3rd season with us.

 

When he came in he steadied us.

First season:

First half - Good, some exciting games.

Second half - Turn of the year, Terrible/boring/negative.

 

Second season:

First half - Good, ok, the odd exciting game.

Second half - Turn of the year, Terrible/boring/negative. Albeit culminating in an FA Cup win of which I’m grateful and thankful for, Will I let that divert my attention from my view? No.

 

This season:

First half - Terrible/boring/negative. Bearing in mind we we’ve terrible, awful, negative and boring since the turn of the year we’re approaching a full calendar year of that.

Second half: Remains to be seen, hopefully, maybe it’ll be a reversal this season.

I’m not naive enough to think or demand we should be playing full throttle football every single game, it’s not possible, however neither do I accept 3 half seasons going on for a full calendar year of consistent negative, boring stuff every single game.

 

Edited 8 November 2021 by Matt

[CosbehFox]

I like the idea of Hjulmand but suspect he will resist any job until post WC2020. Like his tactical versatile but his club record is patchy. Superb Danish title win but a lousy spell at Mainz 

[Ric Flair]

24 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think thats probably what needed, we need to freshen it up. 

 

However I've see enough since the international break that thing are improving, mainly on the results front. 

 

If that continues it will build confidence and the style of play will improve. 

I just don't see the club making a change, so I think he would need to have a drop of form like Puel, Claudio or Shakey.

 

- Puel was sack after a run of winning 1 in 8 with 6 loses.

- Claudio was sack after 1 win in 10, with 7 loses 

- Shakey was sack after 1 win in 8, with 4 loses. 

He's going absolutely nowhere if it's our decision, the owners and board absolutely worship the ground he walks on. It will take Ranieri levels of shit for him to be removed, but I think the more likely is he leaves off his own accord if he senses his reputation is on the line.

 

He gets the rest of this season minimum for me if things don't get markedly worse as its not out of the question he could sort this out and get us firing again. That said, very few managers do and like at Liverpool he might just be sleep walking his way in to needing a new challenge, like plenty of our players. This has been a fantastic cycle with this batch over the last 4 years but there's at least 4 of them that seem ready to leave.

[Vindaloo FOX]

I know he is no Arsène Wenger but the saying from the media before he got sacked comes to mind reading some of theses comments.

 

"be careful what you wish for."

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, Matt said:

Some of it was good, I think people over egg how good it was but yeah some of it was good.

 

Listen this is his 3rd season with us.

 

When he came in he steadied us.

First season:

First half - Good, some exciting games.

Second half - Turn of the year, Terrible/boring/negative.

 

Second season:

First half - Good, ok, the odd exciting game.

Second half - Turn of the year, Terrible/boring/negative. Albeit culminating in an FA Cup win of which I’m grateful and thankful for, Will I let that divert my attention from my view? No.

 

This season:

First half - Terrible/boring/negative. Bearing in mind we we’ve terrible, awful, negative and boring since the turn of the year we’re approaching a full calendar year of that.

Second half: Remains to be seen, hopefully, maybe it’ll be a reversal this season.

 

The football we played from January through to mid February was nearly back to the 1st half of 2019/20 style but perhaps without quite as many goals but it was front foot and quick football. Since then and those injuries to Maddison and Barnes it turned very workmanlike again and we've seen precious change to that bar the odd game. 

[The boy Linacre]

13 hours ago, Plastik Man said:

Gordon Bennett

 

 

 

 

The expression, not a managerial suggestion 

Hence, Why are we even asking if he should go.  If he is poached by someone "bigger" or more attractive fine but any other reason, no.

Lets review:

2019/20=5th English Top Division

2020/21=5th English Top Division, FA Cup win 1st in 137 years

2021/22=Community Shield

Yes, we might not be playing well this season with the strongest squad the club have ever had.

But is there somebody who can take us to the next level on a regular basis i.e. the top 4, no because that is a money question not a managerial question.

 

[coolhandfox]

17 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Let’s be honest here

shakey’s football was dire by that stage and consisted of just lumping it long and hoping vards would make something happen 

 

Claudio had completely lost his way which culminated with a terrible last minute change of system for the away fixture in Seville - we had one way of playing and had been completely sussed out.  We relied totally on our collective mentality and a moment of magic from riyad. 
 

puel had long since lost the dressing room and was making some very odd calls (Gray I/o vards up top ???) 

 

brendan is nowhere close to any of those three scenarios.   If he gets tapped up by a yanited and leaves then will all of you who want him gone suddenly become all precious ???   I imagine a few will. Thankfully our club is well run and will not make poor decisions - however, the manager needs to know that the fan base supports him or he could decide to move onwards and decidedly upwards ….. that goes for a few of the players aswell.
 

 SUPPORT YOUR CLUB - they are there for us and we are there for them. Too many think it’s only the former - entitled and opinionated keyboard warriors whose general experience and knowledge of football is centred on FIFA and football manager ……

 

EDIT:  this post should probably be in the Brendan thread - this thread is predicated on rodgers actually leaving, presumably by his call as cannot see any way we would relieve him of his duties ……

 

 

100% when I said freshening up, I'm mean't the squad not BR.

 

I'm pro BR, his done more then enough to deserve a little faith. 

Edited 8 November 2021 by coolhandfox

[An Sionnach]

Too much black and white thinking I reckon. We most certainly are not terrible , we are middling. That is not good enough for those who compare it to our purple patches of course. We are rarely totally outplayed nor are we outplaying other teams . We should look at Arsenal ,who were ridiculed on here early on. They are not playing brilliantly  but they are getting results and are doing quite OK now. The results matter at the moment not the style of play. We defended reasonably effectively yesterday, if we can keep doing that ,we will get our fair share of victories.

[Dusty]

Weren’t the club supposedly keeping tabs on Ruben Amorim is Rodgers were to leave? His record is pretty amazing, albeit with a good club in an easier league. Wouldn’t be surprised to see managers of his calibre lined up for the position.

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

100% when I said freshening up, I'm mean't the squad not BR.

 

I'm pro BR, his done more then enough to deserve a little faith. 

I used your post to compare BR with the three previous incumbents 

 

We shouldn’t have to freshen up a squad with so many players  U25 but if we do, the plus is the level of funds that this should provide 

 

I’m of the opinion that the coaches and squad have discussed the past two campaigns and decided that we went too hard too early both times which led to injuries and a lack of fitness late on when it counted.  This leads to a mentality now where we just aren’t at the levels we need to be in the prem.  I just hope that we are still competitive in the prem looking upwards at top six and in all the cups by the time we get our mojo back. 

[Stadt]

Rodgers is what the 4th highest paid manager in the league? Possibly one of the 10 most highly paid managers in the world.

 

We have arguably the 5th or 6th best squad in the league.

 

Renowned recruitment.

 

A state-of-the-art training ground.

 

The best owners in the league.

 

None of these factors mean we should be playing terribly. We're worse than the sum of our parts. Rodgers doesn't have any excuse to hide behind, Justin and Fofana aren't the reasons we're so timid in possession. Injuries included, we're still better than Leeds but it didn't look like it at all.