coolhandfox Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ric Flair said: Based on the logic that if we have struggled to comply for 24/25 we will be asked to submit a business plan on how we will comply for 25/26 and if we can't then a transfer embargo will likely be handed down to us. I find it very hard to map out how we were told we had financial issues in 24/25, only to not sell any players before the end of June. So if we complied then great and hopefully limits any possibility we'll face troubles to do so for 25/26. Or if we have failed or it's touch and go then I foresee the EFL trying to hit us with an embargo. The Swiss Ramble review claims we breached the maximum allowable loss by £14m, comparing the estimated PSR £97m loss with the £83m limit (two Premier League seasons at £35m plus one Championship season at £13m) for the 23/24 season Looking at his working for them 22/23 and 23/34 season, we had around -40m head room after health deductions for the 24/25 PL season against the 83m limit, so we should be ok for 24/25. I think it tighter for this season, which is why we are offloaded higher earns like Vardy, Coady, Ndidi et al. Edited 12 August 2025 by coolhandfox 3
brookfox Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 13 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Leuven’s DOF sending over recommendations again ? 24/25 Groin injury 43 days 6 23/24 Hamstring injury 48 days 7 22/23 Cruciate ligament tear 240 days 22 22/23 Knee injury 5 days 1 22/23 Ill 5 days 1 20/21 Ankle injury 75 days 15 19/20 Torn ligaments 60 days 7 that record is a worry…..? In his defence, he’s absolutely bulletproof above the waist. 2
mozartfox Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 1 hour ago, teblin said: Wouldn't it be nice to have some positive news on a transfer front? The fact our recruitment Team have not seemingly identified any signings, can be considered positive??
5waller5 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 3 hours ago, Bablemikey said: Lots of unsubstantiated speculation is fuelling some over the top reactions here. Calm down, and lets wait for some actual facts before we all get our panties twisted up in a bunch. This is what happens in an information vacuum, it’s filled with speculation. If the club actually communicated with their fans then maybe the doomsday scenario rumours wouldn’t take hold 3
Dahnsouff Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 3 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: This is what happens in an information vacuum, it’s filled with speculation. If the club actually communicated with their fans then maybe the doomsday scenario rumours wouldn’t take hold Or it would stoke the fires of discontent.
JimJams Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 17 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: This is what happens in an information vacuum, it’s filled with speculation. If the club actually communicated with their fans then maybe the doomsday scenario rumours wouldn’t take hold I think you're underestimating the potential for people to shit themselves regardless of the scenario. 1 2
Lambert09 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 2 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said: Daka to Valencia according to FB. No doubt he’ll miss the flight… Nothing short of impossible to actually get someone who’s been as bad as him, on the money he’s got gone. A loan where we pay the wages is probably the only way
Popular Post 5waller5 Posted 12 August 2025 Popular Post Posted 12 August 2025 33 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Or it would stoke the fires of discontent. 19 minutes ago, JimJams said: I think you're underestimating the potential for people to shit themselves regardless of the scenario. We’re somehow normalising The Board’s behaviour and blaming fans then though?? This is not normal. Don't forget that 4 months ago we were relegated for the second time in 3 years, we’ve had 3 managers in a year, we’ve gone from signing £30m young talented players to selling anyone that we can…. And in that time the club have been silent, they’ve not communicated with their customers / fans / supporters at all. There’s not a functioning elite sports team that treats the people that fund the business with the contempt that Top and Rudkin do. I can completely understand why we worry about the club’s future and assume the worst. Filling in the blanks where communication should occur is human nature. The leadership of the club is incompetent, lazy, inept, clueless, arrogant, and disinterested… it’s a very realistic scenario that we continue on the same path of failure and decline that they’ve overseen for the last 5+ years. With less money now at their disposal the decline may even accelerate. 11 1
Dahnsouff Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 17 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: We’re somehow normalising The Board’s behaviour and blaming fans then though?? This is not normal. Don't forget that 4 months ago we were relegated for the second time in 3 years, we’ve had 3 managers in a year, we’ve gone from signing £30m young talented players to selling anyone that we can…. And in that time the club have been silent, they’ve not communicated with their customers / fans / supporters at all. There’s not a functioning elite sports team that treats the people that fund the business with the contempt that Top and Rudkin do. I can completely understand why we worry about the club’s future and assume the worst. Filling in the blanks where communication should occur is human nature. The leadership of the club is incompetent, lazy, inept, clueless, arrogant, and disinterested… it’s a very realistic scenario that we continue on the same path of failure and decline that they’ve overseen for the last 5+ years. With less money now at their disposal the decline may even accelerate. How are we? In my opinion, bitching and moaning on a forum is not some sort of affirmative action, and those who are seeking to enjoy the football despite the board, are not condoning them. We are all fans, and we all see how far down the current regime has seen us fall, no amount of strongly worded posts, nor seeming indifference towards them, will expedite their departure. They need to move on, and until they do such division will keep repeating itself, we just need tough it out as they will eventually move on. 1
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 On 11/08/2025 at 19:23, Iwebema said: We were 19m in losses last time in the championship despite selling over 100m of players. I don’t know where you are getting these figures from but they are hugely wrong. That summer we sold £88m worth of players….. Maddison £37.5m, Barnes £38m, Castagne £11m & Hirst £1.5m. However, Maddison was sold before the PSR deadline for the previous year so did not count towards the books that season, reducing the total sold to £50.5m. We then spent a total of £30m that summer, leaving us with a net profit of £20m on player sales. Our losses also included the huge wages of Vards. We are currently around £25m net profit this summer, so in a very similar position to the end of that summer so we don’t have much wiggle room currently. I personally expect the Bilal money to be reinvested.
Foxes96 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 3 hours ago, coolhandfox said: The Swiss Ramble review claims we breached the maximum allowable loss by £14m, comparing the estimated PSR £97m loss with the £83m limit (two Premier League seasons at £35m plus one Championship season at £13m) for the 23/24 season Looking at his working for them 22/23 and 23/34 season, we had around -40m head room after health deductions for the 24/25 PL season against the 83m limit, so we should be ok for 24/25. I think it tighter for this season, which is why we are offloaded higher earns like Vardy, Coady, Ndidi et al. Was the T-1 topic ever resolved out of interest? Apologies can’t remember… As in did we have 105m allowable losses or 83m for the last 3 year period?
Ric Flair Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 13 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: I don’t know where you are getting these figures from but they are hugely wrong. That summer we sold £88m worth of players….. Maddison £37.5m, Barnes £38m, Castagne £11m & Hirst £1.5m. However, Maddison was sold before the PSR deadline for the previous year so did not count towards the books that season, reducing the total sold to £50.5m. We then spent a total of £30m that summer, leaving us with a net profit of £20m on player sales. Our losses also included the huge wages of Vards. We are currently around £25m net profit this summer, so in a very similar position to the end of that summer so we don’t have much wiggle room currently. I personally expect the Bilal money to be reinvested. You've missed the KDH sale too that was in 23/24 and yet we still breached.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: You've missed the KDH sale too that was in 23/24 and yet we still breached. I thought he was sold first few days of July, therefore falling under 24/25?
Ric Flair Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 Just now, Bluearmyfox28 said: I thought he was sold first few days of July, therefore falling under 24/25? No, was included for 23/24.
dmayne7 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 4 hours ago, les-tah said: Saw him live 5 of so years ago and he was pretty poor (and that's when he was hyped up). Very slow
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: No, was included for 23/24. Our wage bill was absolutely horrid that season too, losing Vards and selling Wilf & Coady has saved us around £250,000 a week on wages alone. That’s £13m a year saved in it self. Edited 12 August 2025 by Bluearmyfox28
UniFox21 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 In the current PSR climate of top level football, this is another pretty dumb comment from someone having played through the football league 3
Iwebema Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 37 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: I don’t know where you are getting these figures from but they are hugely wrong. That summer we sold £88m worth of players….. Maddison £37.5m, Barnes £38m, Castagne £11m & Hirst £1.5m. However, Maddison was sold before the PSR deadline for the previous year so did not count towards the books that season, reducing the total sold to £50.5m. We then spent a total of £30m that summer, leaving us with a net profit of £20m on player sales. Our losses also included the huge wages of Vards. We are currently around £25m net profit this summer, so in a very similar position to the end of that summer so we don’t have much wiggle room currently. I personally expect the Bilal money to be reinvested. I thought KDH was in that period aswell? If not then yes not as much, but still quite a big number with a net loss. I'm just not sure we can invest that much, I think weve really messed up against PSR. 22/23 - loss of 89m 23/24 - loss of 19m 24/25 TBC But I thought because of the season in the championship we could only lose a total of £83m? That said 89m drops off after this? So depending on what we did last season we might be fine going forward? Apologies if any of that is wrong thats just how I understood it 👍
TommyK Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 13 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: In the current PSR climate of top level football, this is another pretty dumb comment from someone having played through the football league Yeah all clubs should bend over and let the big boys have a go.
Chelmofox Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 (edited) 28 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: In the current PSR climate of top level football, this is another pretty dumb comment from someone having played through the football league Why do these reporters still pretend that it’s the manager who comes up with their proposed sale valuation. Will have little to do with Will Still. Edited 12 August 2025 by Chelmofox 2
Grebfromgrebland Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 2 hours ago, Lambert09 said: Nothing short of impossible to actually get someone who’s been as bad as him, on the money he’s got gone. A loan where we pay the wages is probably the only way And we pay them a loan fee
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 12 August 2025 Posted 12 August 2025 2 hours ago, Iwebema said: I thought KDH was in that period aswell? If not then yes not as much, but still quite a big number with a net loss. I'm just not sure we can invest that much, I think weve really messed up against PSR. 22/23 - loss of 89m 23/24 - loss of 19m 24/25 TBC But I thought because of the season in the championship we could only lose a total of £83m? That said 89m drops off after this? So depending on what we did last season we might be fine going forward? Apologies if any of that is wrong thats just how I understood it 👍 No you was right, I wasn’t aware KDH fell in that financial period due to it being announced in July.
Dan Posted 13 August 2025 Posted 13 August 2025 7 hours ago, 5waller5 said: We’re somehow normalising The Board’s behaviour and blaming fans then though?? This is not normal. Don't forget that 4 months ago we were relegated for the second time in 3 years, we’ve had 3 managers in a year, we’ve gone from signing £30m young talented players to selling anyone that we can…. And in that time the club have been silent, they’ve not communicated with their customers / fans / supporters at all. There’s not a functioning elite sports team that treats the people that fund the business with the contempt that Top and Rudkin do. I can completely understand why we worry about the club’s future and assume the worst. Filling in the blanks where communication should occur is human nature. The leadership of the club is incompetent, lazy, inept, clueless, arrogant, and disinterested… it’s a very realistic scenario that we continue on the same path of failure and decline that they’ve overseen for the last 5+ years. With less money now at their disposal the decline may even accelerate. Great post. This is often forgotten. This is a knock on of the clubs uniquely bad communication. I seriously question those who aren't questioning things. 1
MGLCFC Posted 13 August 2025 Posted 13 August 2025 6 hours ago, Dan said: I seriously question those who aren't questioning things. I think many are questioning things, it's just that answers aren't forthcoming. As we all know the lack of communication and transparency, added to the ineptitude and the ability to make the same errors over and over again is inexcusable. 1
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