The Summer Overhaul

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

In the games I have seen them play this season, Ricardo has been better than Castagne

 

Stats and ratings from all of the websites who track players back it up also

 

in games Ricardo makes more tackles, more interceptions, concedes less fouls

 

He has more assists, makes more key passes, completes more dribbles, gets fouled more, and gets dispossed less

 

Ricardo is much better going forward, and personally I don't think there is that much between them defensively

 

That isn't to say I don't rate him, I love how versatile he can be as an option for us, I just feel that Ricardo is better than him on the right, and JJ is better than him on the left (although depends how well he continues to do after his injury comeback)

 

With JJ and Thomas there isn't much space for him to play on the left, and I personally don't think he will want to hang around to potentially be 2nd choice right back and 3rd choice left back

Thank you, I knew you'd articulate the stats angle better than me. Castagne's been a huge flop on the stats and just using your eyes in general this season.

[themightyfin]

2 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

In the games I have seen them play this season, Ricardo has been better than Castagne

 

Stats and ratings from all of the websites who track players back it up also

 

in games Ricardo makes more tackles, more interceptions, concedes less fouls

 

He has more assists, makes more key passes, completes more dribbles, gets fouled more, and gets dispossed less

 

Ricardo is much better going forward, and personally I don't think there is that much between them defensively

 

That isn't to say I don't rate him, I love how versatile he can be as an option for us, I just feel that Ricardo is better than him on the right, and JJ is better than him on the left (although depends how well he continues to do after his injury comeback)

 

With JJ and Thomas there isn't much space for him to play on the left, and I personally don't think he will want to hang around to potentially be 2nd choice right back and 3rd choice left back

Stats don't tell the full story. If they did it would be easy. Just go out and buy the players with the best stats. There's a lot more to football than stats. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

31 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Not what I've heard.

Not what I've heard either. More likely to get a new contract.

[themightyfin]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Thank you, I knew you'd articulate the stats angle better than me. Castagne's been a huge flop on the stats and just using your eyes in general this season.

Specsavers have a sale on Ric. 

[majaco]

10 minutes ago, Raw Dykes said:

I don't know if people saying we should get a new left back are commenting on Thomas. JJ can play either side and is right-footed, so if we need a full-back on either side, it might be a good idea to sign a left-back.

 

RB: JJ, Ricardo/Castagne

LB: Thomas, New LB

Fair enough.  Reading through the thread, I got the impression that Thomas was a bit of an after thought.  

[majaco]

Seen a few mentions of Colwill.  I don't know.much about him but watching the Cardiff game, he looks pretty good.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Thank you, I knew you'd articulate the stats angle better than me. Castagne's been a huge flop on the stats and just using your eyes in general this season.

There are also stats to suggest we concede less goals with him in the side. Ahead of any other defender.

 

Hes also very rarely played in his preferred position. To suggest he's been a huge flop is extreme beyond belief, which of our fullbacks has performed better than him this season? It's not clear cut they've all had stinkers at times - thomas against arsenal, Bertrand every gane, Ricardo against Burnley.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, majaco said:

Seen a few mentions of Colwill.  I don't know.much about him but watching the Cardiff game, he looks pretty good.

Different player, the one we were linked with is at Huddersfield on loan from Chelsea

[martyn]

3 minutes ago, majaco said:

Seen a few mentions of Colwill.  I don't know.much about him but watching the Cardiff game, he looks pretty good.

Think most if not all of those are referring to Colwill on loan at Huddersfield from Chelsea.

Edited 6 February 2022 by martyn

[majaco]

Just now, Tommy Fresh said:

Different player, the one we were linked with is at Huddersfield on loan from Chelsea

 

Just now, martyn said:

Think most if not all of those are referring to Colwill on loan at Huddersfield from Chelsea.

Told you I didn't know much about him.  Let's  get both.

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, majaco said:

Seen a few mentions of Colwill.  I don't know.much about him but watching the Cardiff game, he looks pretty good.

Colwill is at Huddersfield?

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

There are also stats to suggest we concede less goals with him in the side. Ahead of any other defender.

 

Hes also very rarely played in his preferred position. To suggest he's been a huge flop is extreme beyond belief, which of our fullbacks has performed better than him this season? It's not clear cut they've all had stinkers at times - thomas against arsenal, Bertrand every gane, Ricardo against Burnley.

Thomas has been our best full back, certainly since November onwards.

 

Castagne has flopped by his standards this season. His attacking output has been poor, which we know he's very good st both for club and country. He's made a few errors that have led to goals this season too. That's without actually looking at stats that aren't as obvious to the naked eye, like interceptions, tackles, passing stats etc. I've looked at those and they don't make for pretty reading either. 

[Gazza M]

3 hours ago, themightyfin said:

Ward- never said he's unhappy waiting his time to be number 1 here. In fact signed a new contact this season so nit sure where you that that information from.

Soyuncu- yes not had a great season for him and form has dipped as has on most players but it's not helped he's virtually had a different partner every week because of injuries 

Timmy- No way we would get as a good a replacement for him with the money we would get.

Mendy- Would probably have to pay most if his wages to move him on anyway so maybe worth keeping him arund as a squad player.

Youri- won't get as much as you think 1 year left on his contract and wouldn't be surprised if he runs his contract down and leaves for nothing after.

Hamza- Would only get a small fee. 

Praet- Will probably go but again could be an issue getting his wages paid.

Vestergaard and Bertrand- Nobody will take them unless we pay them off I guess we are stuck with them. 

 

It's not football manager . Your reasoning don't really add up. 

Can see what you are saying, but then if the club is having an overhaul who do you move on? I guess you think the current squad is good enough and overhaul not needed. 

[honeybradger]

It's strange to me that Castagne has been labelled as a steady eddy or a consistent 7/10. Is it because his playstyle is a little boring? From my perspective he's actually quite inconsistent, he's either brilliant or a bit of a liability, we have seen how good he can be which is why we should not be quick to write him off, but we havent seen him able to consistently put together a long run off form, partly due to him being regularly dispruted by minor injuries

[lcfc sheff]

4 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

It's strange to me that Castagne has been labelled as a steady eddy or a consistent 7/10. Is it because his playstyle is a little boring? From my perspective he's actually quite inconsistent, he's either brilliant or a bit of a liability, we have seen how good he can be which is why we should not be quick to write him off, but we havent seen him able to consistently put together a long run off form, partly due to him being regularly dispruted by minor injuries

You’ve hit the nail on the head, don’t think he’s been a 7/10 player since his first six games. 

[Ric Flair]

36 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Specsavers have a sale on Ric. 

Bring something to the table then that's contrary to him being pretty poor by his standards this season? 

 

Let's not forget he was signed to cover left or right in equal measure and he's not ever really been any good on the left for us and on the right where he's had some stonking games last season, he's not done a lot this season. 

 

I'm willing to stick my neck out and it's possibly a bit over the top on him this season but equally plenty of others seem oblivious to how poor he's been this season and there's stats both obvious (lack of goals, assists, errors leading to goals) and then less obvious (pass completion, interceptions, attacking pressures etc) and he's way down on all of them both last season and against our other players this season.

 

There is a stat that we are supposedly better defensively as a team with him this season which I'm happy to make allowances for, if he does make us stronger and can remain fit (not guaranteed) and get back to his best going forward then he's an obvious asset but right now I think it's in the balance and as I've said, I've been told that he's open to a move back to Italy. His missus is due to give birth soon which might play a part too.

 

Given we need 5-6 new players next season, gaining £10-15m on trading a full back for a full back we seem very very keen on is sensible business.

[escape2victory]

Before we sign anyone I think it’s important they settle on an identity and system they want to play and recruit personnel based on that. I really don’t like the idea of constantly changing formations game on game.
 

It’s what was worrying me with the De Ketelaere links, no doubt a very good player, tactically flexible and the right age, but don’t see where someone like that would fit into the Rodgers preferred 4-2-3-1 system with the personnel we already have.

[escape2victory]

Goalkeepers - keep as they are. Schmeichels contract runs out 2023, I think one more season and then going seperate ways would be good for both parties. If a silly offer comes in for Ward then sell, but if not, keep as it is.

 

Full backs - best we can hope for with Bertrand is a loan to a championship side who might contribute some wages. Other than that, happy to go into next season with Castagne, Ricardo, Justin and Thomas.

 

Centre Backs - happy to drive Soyuncu to the airport, sell to whoever is daft enough to take him on. Need to recruit a new CB who is ready to slot in alongside Fofana straight away as can’t rely on Evans to stay fit for a season these days. Have Evans, Amartey and Vestergaard as the back ups.

 

CM - The Tielemans replacement I’m happy to be slightly more defensive minded as may suit the 4-2-3-1 better alongside Ndidi, with KDH, Soumare and Choudhury in the squad. Mendy to sell for his own benefit really.

 

Wingers - try and have Lookman on a perm deal if the price is right. Recruit a new Right Winger, so have Lookman, Barnes, new winger and Albrighton for those 2 places. Perez try and sell but due to high wages, loan is prob best bet.

 

Attack Mid - Maddison as the main man, Iheanacho as the back up, KDH also able to play the role.

 

Strikers - Vardy, Daka and Iheanacho is great quality to be fair.

 

So I’d try and recruit a CB, CM, RW and Lookman on a perm. Sell or loan Tielemans, Soyuncu, Perez, Praet, Mendy, Bertrand 

[Shane]

Replace Perez in the first team squad with Alves. Tbh Alves should be on the bench ahead of Perez already

[sylofox]

Squad rebuild on today's showing he will be lucky if he can just sure up our defence.

[NewquayFox]

A few of this shambles can go for me… 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Great manager's get the best from what they have available!

Who does he want to bring in that will turn this around?

 

 

 

 

[Nod.E]

Start a fresh, manager included. Clean slate, go again. 

[Ric Flair]

Rodgers out - £10m

 

Diego Martinez in - free

[Tielemans63]

I've never bought the line that players don't care / don't try. I was wrong. They haven’t cared or tried today.

 

If they don't want to be here than they can kindly **** off ASAP