The Summer Overhaul

[Blanchflower78]

4-5 likely to move on, may be 3-4 in. Finances you would imagine still be relatively tight so may be affected by sale prices to a degree. YT and Cags could fetch 70m between them. 

 

Feels like a window of huge importance. A couple seeking new opportunities that need replacing with real quality, we also like the odd up and coming potential in there as well. Can't afford to fall away behind the likes of Villa, west ham etc. Not to mention a big spending Newcastle who by then will be really pushing hard for top signings. 

 

Agree it won't be an overhaul, refresh the term used. If we replaced say Perez with a creative talent would alone feel like a big step forward, and not just talking Lookman for that either.

[Tielemans63]

15 hours ago, SMX11 said:

Thought this was reasonably interesting:

 

That was fascinating. These guys really know their stuff (bar the comments on Justin). Didn't realise that Kasper's underlying stats were that bad or that our XP is the 5th worst in the league! Enjoyed watching it though, cheers.

[Hales]

So I think Cags and Youri will go along with Praet, Mendy and Hamza. Would not be too bothered to lose Perez either.

 

Pay off Bertrand and Vestegaard!

 

Need to keep Madders, Harvey, Ndidi, Timmy, Ricardo, JJ, Daka, Kel, Little Wes.

 

Vards is going nowhere. Neither is Evans but we need to build on him not being able to play much for a whole season. Absolutely keep Albrighton as he is important in the dressing room and a great example to the younger players. Kasper I'm torn on. I love him but I'm not sure he will stay much longer.......

 

Sign Lookman up too.

[coolhandfox]

Alway laugh at people calling for Bertrand and Vestergaard to be paid off, why would you play something up front when you can spread the cost over 2 years.

 

People said the same about Silva and Slimani for years, and it never happened. 

[Tielemans63]

1 hour ago, Hales said:

So I think Cags and Youri will go along with Praet, Mendy and Hamza. Would not be too bothered to lose Perez either.

 

Pay off Bertrand and Vestegaard!

 

Need to keep Madders, Harvey, Ndidi, Timmy, Ricardo, JJ, Daka, Kel, Little Wes.

 

Vards is going nowhere. Neither is Evans but we need to build on him not being able to play much for a whole season. Absolutely keep Albrighton as he is important in the dressing room and a great example to the younger players. Kasper I'm torn on. I love him but I'm not sure he will stay much longer.......

 

Sign Lookman up too.

Agree with all of this. Sadly, I think we're stuck with Perez, Vestergaard and Bertrand though.

 

Also agree with you on Kasper. I absolutely love the man but it does feel like now might be a good time for him to go elsewhere if he still maintains he wants to play CL football. That £140k a week would be useful when financing the rebuild.

Edited 5 February 2022 by Tielemans63

[sacreblueits442]

4 hours ago, dayday said:

Brendon reckons we could be looking at 5-6 additions in the summer.

... so 2 then!!!

[Lesta2014]

5 hours ago, dayday said:

Brendon reckons we could be looking at 5-6 additions in the summer.

So as we are means 5-6 need selling season registering? 
 

i reckon

youri Mendy jakupovic deffo leave

 

your maybes are 

 

Castagne, ricardo, nacho, perez, soyuncu. 
 

the ones who could leave who we do t want to leave are Maddison Barnes and wilf. I include youri in leaving as that’s more likely obviously he’s one we 100% want to keep

[FoxyJim1987]

3 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Whichever way we take the team, we need to find a way to start Daka, Iheanacho, Maddison and Barnes. 

Well, pretty much impossible unless you're playing someone out of position. M

[sacreblueits442]

4 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

Well, pretty much impossible unless you're playing someone out of position. M

...you could see Maddison at #8, Nacho in the #10 and Daka and Barnes in their normal roles!!!

You could say that two players are playing out of position, but those positions are where they wish to play.

[FoxyJim1987]

7 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you could see Maddison at #8, Nacho in the #10 and Daka and Barnes in their normal roles!!!

You could say that two players are playing out of position, but those positions are where they wish to play.

It's nice in theory but I'd feel sorry for Wilf, two wingers plus Maddison, Kelechi and Daka is unbalanced and way too attacking. I've always thought that Madders plays best when he is number 10 off the striker. When he's too deep it's a waste. It's nice if we were Man City who can play the likes of Bernardo and De Bruyne but they have the ball all the time, we ain't on that level.

[Matt_Lcfc]

20 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you really do not lose that talent overnight!!!

He is a top class defender, we have just not developed him as much as we should have. If he leaves he will go abroad and have a coach which will work and develop him into the player we saw before. It maybe being a leader, is not his strong point, and a strong minded player alongside him is what he needs, but he has been working in a chaotic and struggling backline, and a coaching group which has struggled to improve and get the best out of him.

But how many footballers have had a ‘purple patch’ period only to be never seen again? The list is countless and I think Soyuncu will be one. He was solid in that six month period but he was never reaching Fofana levels. Also, it isn’t even like he is demonstrating his ability every now and then either. He has been consistently rubbish for the best part of two seasons and it isn’t even like putting Evans alongside him has helped.

[Nicolo Barella]

55 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

But how many footballers have had a ‘purple patch’ period only to be never seen again? The list is countless and I think Soyuncu will be one. He was solid in that six month period but he was never reaching Fofana levels. Also, it isn’t even like he is demonstrating his ability every now and then either. He has been consistently rubbish for the best part of two seasons and it isn’t even like putting Evans alongside him has helped.

Nah I disagree, both with the assertion that he was never as good as Fofana for us, and the assertion that he's  been consistently rubbish for two years. He's had some periods of decent games, and some absolutely woeful garbage. 

 

He does have a lot to prove though, as things stand I don't think anyone could call him a player that could get a move to an elite club.

[Ric Flair]

5 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Nah I disagree, both with the assertion that he was never as good as Fofana for us, and the assertion that he's  been consistently rubbish for two years. He's had some periods of decent games, and some absolutely woeful garbage. 

 

He does have a lot to prove though, as things stand I don't think anyone could call him a player that could get a move to an elite club.

Soyuncu in the 1st half of the 2019/20 season was on a par with Fofana's 1st half of last season. Do not underestimate just how good Soyuncu was, our defence that season for the majority of it was immense. Not only at keeping clean sheets but denying teams shots in the first place. He also got in the PL team of the year.

[Nicolo Barella]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Soyuncu in the 1st half of the 2019/20 season was on a par with Fofana's 1st half of last season. Do not underestimate just how good Soyuncu was, our defence that season for the majority of it was immense. Not only at keeping clean sheets but denying teams shots in the first place. He also got in the PL team of the year.

Fully agree, was responding to the other guy who said he was never as good as Fofana

[gurru991]

Daniel Iverson looking good today against Hull. He looks ready to come home & challenge for a spot !

[Ric Flair]

20 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Fully agree, was responding to the other guy who said he was never as good as Fofana

Sorry, misread it. 

[LFox99]

7 hours ago, Gazza M said:

Problem is he isn't satisfied as a Utility player

And he's told you that in person or given an interview stating just that?

Stop waffling mate. Tim's quality and very much a player we should hold onto.

[Mark]

7 hours ago, Gazza M said:

Problem is he isn't satisfied as a Utility player and isn't as good as James Justin. Let him go and let's get a proper LB in next season. 

We'd need a RB as Justin is better on the left and we also have Thomas to play there, no such options on the right if Castagne leaves with Ricardo not guaranteed to be fit.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

It's nice in theory but I'd feel sorry for Wilf, two wingers plus Maddison, Kelechi and Daka is unbalanced and way too attacking. I've always thought that Madders plays best when he is number 10 off the striker. When he's too deep it's a waste. It's nice if we were Man City who can play the likes of Bernardo and De Bruyne but they have the ball all the time, we ain't on that level.

.. in a setup like below, we are not doing anything more than we did before!!!

                 Kasper

JJ  Fofana  Soyuncu  Thomas

             N’Didi Maddison 

    Lookman  Iheanacho  Barnes 

                    Daka

 

Maddison plays well in the #10 role but likes the game to go through him. Number #8 is where he believes he should be playing. Nacho naturally seeks to drop so the #10 role is his default position.

  Wilf's workload might increase but the work rate from the other players is not much different from what we have now.

 

 

 

  

Edited 5 February 2022 by sacreblueits442

[LFox99]

8 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

Maddison plays well in the #10 role but likes the game to go through him. Number #8 is where he believes he should be playing

What now?

That's the exact dross Arsenal fans were spouting last summer when asked how they justify getting another #10 in Maddison.

 

[sacreblueits442]

15 minutes ago, LFox99 said:

What now?

That's the exact dross Arsenal fans were spouting last summer when asked how they justify getting another #10 in Maddison.

 

...are you saying he does not wish to play the #8 role, because that is where he sees himself!!!

[Devonfox1884]

I think the ‘overhaul’ will happen across 2 summers. If I’m not mistaken, Kasper, Vards and Evans have contracts expiring next summer too and will likely leave on frees. We will need to replace them (maybe not Kasper if Iversen can step up) and I imagine they will free up £300,000 if not more p/w on the wage budget.

 

Bertrand will be off too, so that’ll be an extra £50,000 or so. There may be others that I’ve forgotten. We will have margin to play with! 

[FoxyJim1987]

37 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.. in a setup like below, we are not doing anything more than we did before!!!

                 Kasper

JJ  Fofana  Soyuncu  Thomas

             N’Didi Maddison 

    Lookman  Iheanacho  Barnes 

                    Daka

 

Maddison plays well in the #10 role but likes the game to go through him. Number #8 is where he believes he should be playing. Nacho naturally seeks to drop so the #10 role is his default position.

  Wilf's workload might increase but the work rate from the other players is not much different from what we have now.

 

 

 

  

Well it is very different. It's not a video game. Tielemans currently is the playmaker who is also box to box, Maddison is not a box to box player, he can't tackle or press very well, he's a number 10. Agree with you, Kel's is also a 10 effectively which means you can't get him and Madders into the same team really. It's a shame, and maybe Madders can evolve into a 8 but for me it takes away his best qualities, scoring and assisting, shooting on the edge of the box, darting onto balls in the box. He wouldn't have the numbers he does this season if he was playing deeper

[LFox99]

29 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...are you saying he does not wish to play the #8 role, because that is where he sees himself!!!

I don't know about you but as much as I rate Madders' workrate I would not be happy with him being wasted deep in midfield.

Very same thing goes for your claim of Kele being a perfect 10, just because he likes to play deeper than your usual striker doesn't automatically make him a 10.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, LFox99 said:

I don't know about you but as much as I rate Madders' workrate I would not be happy with him being wasted deep in midfield.

Very same thing goes for your claim of Kele being a perfect 10, just because he likes to play deeper than your usual striker doesn't automatically make him a 10.

....did not say he was a "perfect #10" his default position is that area!!!

Strange that a  player (Maddison) who wishes to play a certain role is lampooned for his thinking.