Dahnsouff Posted 19 April 2022 Share Posted 19 April 2022 1 minute ago, Fox in the North said: This is what I don’t get, now Corbyn is no longer there, how are Labour not viable? The bar has been set so low by the current government it’s ridiculous. The onus should really be on the government as to why we should ignore all of the incidents which would have brought any other government into disrepute. Sorry, I should have been more clear. Labour are viable now, as much as I find Starmer painfully bland ( he isn’t on Political Idol, so that’s for me to deal with, and maybe bland would be a good thing after the cartoon tramp) but it sure took Labour and the Libs a long time to seize the initiative away from the Tories. Suspect the next government will be Labour and that’s fine but I am not 100% convinced they will get it done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 19 April 2022 Share Posted 19 April 2022 If the tories get re-elected then Labour need to do some serious soul searching. What are they not understanding about the voters and what they want? Why can they not connect with them? I’m not buying this manipulative media thing and gullible voters- I think they just don’t have a grip on what is and what isn’t important to the voters. People will point at these rallies with swathes of vociferous disgruntled people but for everyone out waving a banner there appears to be even more disgruntled people of a different persuasion at home and people have to understand that these are the people that need reaching and understanding. Just because a voter shouts louder does not mean their vote counts as two. Labour need to understand this to get re-elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Lionator Posted 19 April 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted 19 April 2022 47 minutes ago, Fox in the North said: This is what I don’t get, now Corbyn is no longer there, how are Labour not viable? The bar has been set so low by the current government it’s ridiculous. The onus should really be on the government as to why we should ignore all of the incidents which would have brought any other government into disrepute. Because Labour are un-British. They lie to the Queen, cut the army and police budgets, destroy the nhs, raise taxes to new highs and do nothing with it, and break promises about immigration…oh wait. 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend_in_blue Posted 19 April 2022 Share Posted 19 April 2022 Yes Mark Harper! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Spiritwalker Posted 19 April 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 19 April 2022 11 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: The point is there weren't any other fines for this, or for Nurses dancing together doing TikTok videos etc, because the point of the restrictions was to reduce groups of people getting together, not to punish people already working together for sharing a few minutes downtime. While I do believe Boris is a liar, I think in this particular case he probably genuinely didn't for a second think he was doing anything wrong, and I am inclined to agree. I wait to see what else comes out regarding other parties and whether it proves he really lied to the house. I work in a food factory that worked through all the restrictions. No birthday or any other parties took place. Only 2 people were allowed in the canteen at any one time, so if you went for a tea break and 2 people were already in there tough shit you couldn’t go in. You are trying to defend the indefensible. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Facecloth Posted 19 April 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 19 April 2022 35 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said: I work in a food factory that worked through all the restrictions. No birthday or any other parties took place. Only 2 people were allowed in the canteen at any one time, so if you went for a tea break and 2 people were already in there tough shit you couldn’t go in. You are trying to defend the indefensible. The Tories could shit in Jon's hands and make him clap and he'd still do mental gymnastics to defend them, don't worry about it. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2607 Posted 19 April 2022 Share Posted 19 April 2022 4 hours ago, Fox in the North said: This is what I don’t get, now Corbyn is no longer there, how are Labour not viable? The bar has been set so low by the current government it’s ridiculous. The onus should really be on the government as to why we should ignore all of the incidents which would have brought any other government into disrepute. Because the mainstream media are basically owned by Tory doners. So they control the daily narrative and it feeds into people's subconscious. The majority of voters take the soundbites they see or the headlines they read as fact. The starmer / saville slur is thrown into conversation for Tory voters, even though it's factually inaccurate.... But it's in their head and they will use that as a reason not to vote for labour. Same as "labour can't be trusted with the economy" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blabyboy Posted 19 April 2022 Share Posted 19 April 2022 1 hour ago, Greg2607 said: Because the mainstream media are basically owned by Tory doners. So they control the daily narrative and it feeds into people's subconscious. The majority of voters take the soundbites they see or the headlines they read as fact. The starmer / saville slur is thrown into conversation for Tory voters, even though it's factually inaccurate.... But it's in their head and they will use that as a reason not to vote for labour. Same as "labour can't be trusted with the economy" Really?? Paperwise there might be a greater proportion I'll give you, but tv is not, and tv has the biggest reach for over 35s. BBC is not, C4 is definitely left of centre. ITV is agnostic if not left of centre at present, but that may be because there are just so many govt scandals to break and the opposition ones are being stored for later. Sky news gets such a small percentage of viewers its negligible. Social media is a real mixed bag and more about which echo chambers you inhabit. Its lazy to suggest this old trope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 19 April 2022 Share Posted 19 April 2022 Bojo being the most resistant skid mark to have held his present office is galling enough but the fact that 99% of the Conservative Parliamentary Party are spineless apologists for the lying oaf really is the icing on the cake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 19 April 2022 Share Posted 19 April 2022 1 hour ago, Greg2607 said: Tory doners. The one on the right is Michael Fabricant without his syrup. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 4 hours ago, Facecloth said: The Tories could shit in Jon's hands and make him clap and he'd still do mental gymnastics to defend them, don't worry about it. I wouldn't vote Tory if there was an election today. Boris would need to be replaced by a credible alternative and convince me they were not surrounding themselves with yes people. I am massively unimpressed by the current crop of politicians on both sides. Corbyn really screwed over Labour, they lost a lot of talent, and their inability to define a woman in recent days has been pathetic. Lib Dems are absolutely nowhere in national politics. Now I have moved to a country where things are possibly worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: I wouldn't vote Tory if there was an election today. Boris would need to be replaced by a credible alternative and convince me they were not surrounding themselves with yes people. I am massively unimpressed by the current crop of politicians on both sides. Corbyn really screwed over Labour, they lost a lot of talent, and their inability to define a woman in recent days has been pathetic. Lib Dems are absolutely nowhere in national politics. Now I have moved to a country where things are possibly worse... Aye that’s true. Dreading tonight’s Morrison vs Albanese debate. Be like watching a puppy get run over. His hearts in the right place but he’s no match for Morrison’s bullshit. Beginning to think the best we can hope for is a hung parliament Do you get a vote? Edited 20 April 2022 by WigstonWanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 ...is the Aussie populace really that in hock to the coal industry? Murdoch pulling the strings still, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 15 minutes ago, leicsmac said: ...is the Aussie populace really that in hock to the coal industry? Murdoch pulling the strings still, no doubt. Murdoch media bang away 24/7 and seem to largely set the agenda during the campaign. Sky News here is nothing like it is in the UK, much more like Fox News in the US. Plus Morrison is much more effective as a campaigner despite being a total arsehole, and people seem to fall for it. I’m not really that hopeful unfortunately. There is a group of independents targeting marginal seats in urban areas, basing their campaign on action on climate change and corruption, the 2 issues that most concern me at the moment. They hope to get a balance of power and use it to pursue their agenda. Hopefully they make a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 1 hour ago, WigstonWanderer said: Aye that’s true. Dreading tonight’s Morrison vs Albanese debate. Be like watching a puppy get run over. His hearts in the right place but he’s no match for Morrison’s bullshit. Beginning to think the best we can hope for is a hung parliament Do you get a vote? No fortunately I cannot be blamed for this one, I wont be a citizen for about 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 40 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Murdoch media bang away 24/7 and seem to largely set the agenda during the campaign. Sky News here is nothing like it is in the UK, much more like Fox News in the US. Plus Morrison is much more effective as a campaigner despite being a total arsehole, and people seem to fall for it. I’m not really that hopeful unfortunately. There is a group of independents targeting marginal seats in urban areas, basing their campaign on action on climate change and corruption, the 2 issues that most concern me at the moment. They hope to get a balance of power and use it to pursue their agenda. Hopefully they make a difference. I think the only hope we have is that those independents get some serious power in a hung parliament. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: No fortunately I cannot be blamed for this one, I wont be a citizen for about 6 years. Wow does it take that long now? Got mine back in 95 after a bit over 2 years. Edited 20 April 2022 by WigstonWanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 41 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Wow does it take that long now? Got mine back in 95 after a bit over 2 years. 4 years is the residency requirement, with one year PR, but the actual application and ceremony process is taking up to 2 years at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 23 hours ago, StanSP said: why did the other thread go? People were getting too political. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 Yet more Brexit success thanks to believers believing hard in it… https://www.cityam.com/110-jobs-lost-brexit-supporting-newark-in-shock-as-largest-employer-shuts-up-shop-and-heads-for-mainland-europe/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 8 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: I wouldn't vote Tory if there was an election today. Boris would need to be replaced by a credible alternative and convince me they were not surrounding themselves with yes people. I am massively unimpressed by the current crop of politicians on both sides. Corbyn really screwed over Labour, they lost a lot of talent, and their inability to define a woman in recent days has been pathetic. Lib Dems are absolutely nowhere in national politics. Now I have moved to a country where things are possibly worse... Tbf I didn't say you'd vote for them, just perform a lot of mental gymnastics to defend them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunge Posted 20 April 2022 Share Posted 20 April 2022 12 hours ago, Facecloth said: The Tories could shit in Jon's hands and make him clap and he'd still do mental gymnastics to defend them, don't worry about it. Great way to keep your hands warm in this era of rising energy prices. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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