The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[Facecloth]

You know it's almost like companies would rather put themselves in a place where there is frictionless trade and exporting to hundreds of millions of people in 27 different nation and the potential loss of trade or extra issues with trading and exporting to a outlier nation won't really bother them once they've left, because the bulk of their business is the priority. Oh and they'll take all the jobs to the this new place.

 

Who knew. What a shocker.

Edited 21 April 2022 by Facecloth

[Fox in the North]

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

You know it's almost like companies would rather put themselves in a place where there is frictionless trade and exporting to hundreds of millions of people in 27 different nation and the potential loss of trade or extra issues with trading and exporting to a outlier nation won't really bother them once they've left, because the bulk of their business is the priority. Oh and they'll take all the job to the this new place.

 

Who knew. What a shocker.

[bovril]

Don't know about anti semite but Corbyns recent interview on Ukraine at least confirms we're pretty lucky not to have him as PM

[rachhere]

Anyone following the debate? Keir Starmer in his element here in building up the 'case'

[blabyboy]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

I cannot agree with the (well intended) comparison - Corbyn was victim to the worst slandering of his name and reputation I've ever experienced - the fact that so many people are now convinced that an avowed fighter of racism was in fact a terrible anti-semite is proof of that.

I meant more by the followers of Corbin, but yeah i get your point which is more focused on the character assassination by the media element.

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, blabyboy said:

I meant more by the followers of Corbin, but yeah i get your point which is more focused on the character assassination by the media element.

Certain 'types' of people attach to something and then adopt an unthinking position - yes it happened to Corbyn, you're right, but again, it was used against him in a way that simply doesn't happen to (say) the various members of the Eton Mess.

[blabyboy]

2 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Certain 'types' of people attach to something and then adopt an unthinking position - yes it happened to Corbyn, you're right, but again, it was used against him in a way that simply doesn't happen to (say) the various members of the Eton Mess.

Plenty of people are prejudiced against politicians _because_ they've gone to Eton or other private education establishments without knowing anything else about them,  let alone the further prejudice they accrue as the decisions they take build on that. 

 

I think you're starting to illustrate my overall point.

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, blabyboy said:

Plenty of people are prejudiced against politicians _because_ they've gone to Eton or other private education establishments without knowing anything else about them,  let alone the further prejudice they accrue as the decisions they take build on that. 

 

I think you're starting to illustrate my overall point.

No I'm not - I observe a massive bias in the way public perception is led. I'm against the inexcusable corrupt lying entitlement of the current incumbents for those reasons - and they happen to be basically derived from Eton and so forth. The problems stems from such a reverence in society for those fortunate enough to be born into wealth and privilege.

[Finnegan]

18 minutes ago, bovril said:

Don't know about anti semite but Corbyns recent interview on Ukraine at least confirms we're pretty lucky not to have him as PM

 

[LiberalFox]

3 hours ago, Daggers said:

To be fairer, we are haemorrhaging businesses. Please don’t try to defend Brexit, you’ll simply end up with egg on your face. And it won’t be nice egg because Rees-Mogg wants to scrap all the standards. It’ll be rotten egg that has faeces and vomit in it. And maybe a picture of Ed Sheeran on the shell too because who knows what that JRM freak will do.

It may be a rotten egg with faeces and vomit in it but it will be a British rotten egg with British faeces and British vomit. 

[LiberalFox]

Those who went to Eton aren't victims of prejudice they are beneficiaries of prejudice. 

[bovril]

19 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I suppose you could interpret his disband NATO comment as desiring a world where we don't need it but it was done in typical Corbyn passive aggressive style which suggests it wasn't

[Jon the Hat]

55 minutes ago, Bryn said:

Have you seen any evidence of that?

Well for example Amazon employing more people in the uk is partly due to not being able to pick and ship so much directly from the Netherlands.

[LiberalFox]

3 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

I think I'm probably in favour of Ed Balls standing in Wakefield on balance, though I'm also a bit wary because he comes from the kind of class of politician that people claimed they were sick of when turning against Labour. Mind you, the most notorious example of that class of politician is the clown who's currently in charge of the Tories so maybe people weren't actually that arsed at all?

I'd love Balls back in parliament but also worry that parachuting in a "name" politician into a brexity white working class demographic seat would go down poorly. He appeals to me, a pro remain liberal who grew up in the south and has a STEM degree. Which might not be a good thing. 

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Very sensible business.  You will probably find EU businesses doing the same in the UK.

Thus adding unnecessary cost to every item purchased …. It’s lucky we don’t have any inflationary pressures as well ……..

 

The unintended consequence of losing jobs from the U.K. because companies whose main market is the eu would have to relocate their distribution to the eu was foreseen by many and just ignored …..

[String fellow]

59 minutes ago, bovril said:

Don't know about anti semite but Corbyns recent interview on Ukraine at least confirms we're pretty lucky not to have him as PM

Don't know about Corbyn's recent interview, but let's not forget that he went on RT News in 2014 and blamed NATO for Russia's invasion of Crimea. He also failed to blame the Kremlin for the downing of MH17 over Ukraine, despite 10 British citizens on-board dying. He couldn't even bring himself blame them for the Salisbury poisoning. Perhaps he was one of the few people in this country who actually believed the fairytale of the two Russian agents sight-seeing in Wiltshire the same day that Sergei Skripal nearly died from contact with a Russian nerve-agent!    

[Finnegan]

26 minutes ago, bovril said:

I suppose you could interpret his disband NATO comment as desiring a world where we don't need it but it was done in typical Corbyn passive aggressive style which suggests it wasn't

 

It's just typically out of touch for him. Head completely in the clouds. It's why, at his best, he can be a great voice for socialism and progress but shouldn't actually be anywhere near the bench. 

 

The left needs it's voices for change, its fine having progressive voices question the morality of NATO's interventions in the developed world or wish that global military partnerships were unnecessary just as its alright to have them question whether the EU is more a force for capitalist enterprise than the good of "the worker."

 

I've got no problem with him touring the university circuits posing those questions hypothetically and 

philosophically and encouraging his target audience to think. But I'm not convinced they can be the ironclad moral convictions of someone that has genuine aspirations to be elected Prime Minister in the UK. 

 

Edited 21 April 2022 by Finnegan

[Innovindil]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Thus adding unnecessary cost to every item purchased …. It’s lucky we don’t have any inflationary pressures as well ……..

 

The unintended consequence of losing jobs from the U.K. because companies whose main market is the eu would have to relocate their distribution to the eu was foreseen by many and just ignored …..

Which would be some cause for concern if we weren't seeing currently record breaking job vacancies. 1.3million odd jobs around. Think we'll be okay eh. 

[Daggers]

21 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Well for example Amazon employing more people in the uk is partly due to not being able to pick and ship so much directly from the Netherlands.

 

So, the answer is ‘no’ then?

 

One single employer already operating in the UK with a track record for the woeful treatment of its workforce employs a few more minimum wage/zero hour contract staff and that balances out the swathes of businesses shutting up shop and moving abroad? Nah. Try again. 

[bovril]

14 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's just typically out of touch for him. Head completely in the clouds. It's why, at his best, he can be a great voice for socialism and progress but shouldn't actually be anywhere near the bench. 

 

The left needs it's voices for change, its fine having progressive voices question the morality of NATO's interventions in the developed world or wish that global military partnerships were unnecessary just as its alright to have them question whether the EU is more a force for capitalist enterprise than the good of "the worker."

 

I've got no problem with him touring the university circuits posing those questions hypothetically and 

philosophically and encouraging his target audience to think. But I'm not convinced they can be the ironclad moral convictions of someone that has genuine aspirations to be elected Prime Minister in the UK. 

 

You're being generous. 

[LiberalFox]

Starmer's decision to remove Corbyn from the Labour party at the earliest opportunity looks like his best piece of politics so far.

[Finnegan]

18 minutes ago, bovril said:

You're being generous. 

 

Probably. 

[leicsmac]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

People apply one set of rules to Labour, and quite another to the Tories. The mental gymnastics folk are capable of, both in this regard and elsewhere in life, is massively bothersome to me.

On this topic, I'd be interested in knowing exactly why this mental gymnastics is engaged in.

 

Is it because of outside influence? Or is it because the people engaging in it genuinely believe the Tories are the best option for the UK at the present time?

 

I wonder which would be more unpalatable.

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

On this topic, I'd be interested in knowing exactly why this mental gymnastics is engaged in.

 

Is it because of outside influence? Or is it because the people engaging in it genuinely believe the Tories are the best option for the UK at the present time?

 

I wonder which would be more unpalatable.

I have an opinion on this, but I think it would make many people uncomfortable and cause ad hominem attacks as a result.

[st albans fox]

52 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Which would be some cause for concern if we weren't seeing currently record breaking job vacancies. 1.3million odd jobs around. Think we'll be okay eh. 

On the contrary - we don’t have the people to take a lot of the jobs ……..hence we will see inflationary wage pressure too on top of cost of living pressure on wages  - and we still won’t have the people to do those jobs !