Ibrahim Sangare

[Vardinio'sCat]

I think he can only really work if Ndidi goes, unless some bright spark thinks we can convert him to box to box. That worked so well for us last summer.

 

I can't think of any truly mobile midfielders that are that big, and anyone remember the spanish fella who lived on the Saff, who couldn't really run? Same s**t, different season.

Edited 9 June 2022 by Vardinio'sCat
yes

[TommyK]

5 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

I think he can only really work if Ndidi goes, unless some bright spark thinks we can convert him to box to box. That worked so well for us last summer.

 

I can't think of any truly mobile midfielders that are that big, and anyone remember the spanish fella who lived on the Saff, who couldn't really run? Same s**t, different season.

Who did we do that with last summer?

[Grebfromgrebland]

7 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

You can’t really say fofana is one of those signings. he was nearly 40m. They are talking about 7m-10m players that don’t already have a big reputation. 

 

Soumare for example was unproven but wouldn’t fall in that catergory as he was well known within the game. 

 

James justin i’d say would count. But he was hardly cheap for a player who had only played league 1 football.

 

If you get those deals right you really are laughing as the reward is huge. But you tend to end up with more Jahanbaksch’s than Souceks. 

 

The other day i read about Ac Milan haggling over A 2m fee for a player. We wouldn’t be seen dead shopping in that market 

 

 

Fofana and Justin we're both really highly rated and didn't require any special scouting skills.

 

Fofana was regarded as a generational player on the same level as mbappe.

 

I think we need to go all out for known up and coming talent which will cost but far less risk.

 

We've lost so much cash developing players that are actually crap. 

 

We need to be that second club that up and coming youngsters choose.

[coolhandfox]

All for buying cheap prospect purchases, like we did with Justin.

 

But we have to remember impact of COVID on the budgets and fire fighting due to injuries and players leaving 

 

20/21 we brought Castange (firefighting Ricardo injury & losing Chilwill) and Fofana, so who aren't you buying to buy a couple of prospects at 3-5m 

21/22 we brought Daka (To good an opportunity to miss), Soumare and Vesty (Firefighting fofana injury), Soumare and Vesty have't work out but how may people would have moaned if the club has said we aren't buying a CB we buying a few future prospects for in a few years time? 

 

The club hasn't had the spare cash to chuck around

 

 

 

Edited 9 June 2022 by coolhandfox

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Fofana and Justin we're both really highly rated and didn't require any special scouting skills.

 

Fofana was regarded as a generational player on the same level as mbappe.

 

I think we need to go all out for known up and coming talent which will cost but far less risk.

 

We've lost so much cash developing players that are actually crap. 

 

We need to be that second club that up and coming youngsters choose.

so more dortmund than sevilla? I’d be happy with either approach. Our model is smart enough but it feels like we are always going to be 1/2 bad deals away from a horrible season 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Fofana and Justin we're both really highly rated and didn't require any special scouting skills.

 

Fofana was regarded as a generational player on the same level as mbappe.

 

I think we need to go all out for known up and coming talent which will cost but far less risk.

 

We've lost so much cash developing players that are actually crap. 

 

We need to be that second club that up and coming youngsters choose.

No he wasn't or we wouldn't have got a sniff. 

Edited 9 June 2022 by coolhandfox

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, hackneyfox said:

Was Fofana a proven player?

James Justin?

I’m not sure James Justin is on foxestalk. Even if he was I’m not sure he’d answer your question about Fofana tbf. 

[Vardinio'sCat]

10 hours ago, TommyK said:

Who did we do that with last summer?

 

Soumare, as I understand it we tried to get him further forward than he had been at Lille, right from the off, and it was a bit of a disaster really.

 

 

[TommyK]

10 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

Soumare, as I understand it we tried to get him further forward than he had been at Lille, right from the off, and it was a bit of a disaster really.

 

 

No. He was never a dm

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, TommyK said:

No. He was never a dm

...this is for the  2020-21 season at Lille!!!

[TommyK]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...this is for the  2020-21 season at Lille!!!

Nope. There was a good write up in how he played. It was basically the KDH position. Not DM

[GingerrrFox]

Just now, TommyK said:

Nope. There was a good write up in how he played. It was basically the KDH position. Not DM

He played in a 2 man pivot behind a number 10 in Lille’s 4-2-3-1 formation. Yes, he had more license to dribble and get forward on the counter attack than Benjamin Andre, but he still played as a defensive midfielder in that shape. 

[Vardinio'sCat]

10 hours ago, TommyK said:

No. He was never a dm

 

I might be wrong but...

 

'City had hoped Soumare could develop into a box-to-box midfielder, a rival to Wilfred Ndidi in the holding role where the 23-year-old could use his strength and athleticism to regain possession, then surge through the midfield. But City have grown impatient with his struggle to adapt to their style and to the Premier League, and are now seeking a buyer for him.

 

At Lille, Soumare played at the base of the midfield, but as City looked to expand his game, he found it difficult to adapt. There were particular concerns over his lack of tracking back and the speed at which he moved the ball.'

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-soumare-transfers-rodgers-7126871

 

Edited 10 June 2022 by Vardinio'sCat

[desertfox2]

23 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I might be wrong but...

 

'City had hoped Soumare could develop into a box-to-box midfielder, a rival to Wilfred Ndidi in the holding role where the 23-year-old could use his strength and athleticism to regain possession, then surge through the midfield. But City have grown impatient with his struggle to adapt to their style and to the Premier League, and are now seeking a buyer for him.

 

At Lille, Soumare played at the base of the midfield, but as City looked to expand his game, he found it difficult to adapt. There were particular concerns over his lack of tracking back and the speed at which he moved the ball.'

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-soumare-transfers-rodgers-7126871

 

We do seem to love putting a round peg in a square hole and then trying to teach them how to play a completely different way than they did to make us sign them in the first place in the hardest league in the world and then act all surprised and be ready to sell at a loss when it fails miserably.  If we wanted a box to box player that could also fill in for Ndidi then why not sign someone that had, you know, played that role before so we could analyze how quickly they tracked back and moved the ball forwards before buying them. 

Edited 10 June 2022 by desertfox2
Soumare

[Dan]

On 08/06/2022 at 12:16, Ric Flair said:

Couldn't agree more pal, we really need to look at riskier signings who cost less but are perceived to be more unproven as that's where we've had very good success before anyway.

 

Williot Swedberg or Odin Thiago Holm would be my picks and get them out to Leuven if we can't get WP's off the bat.

Some of these you can't lose on. They'll be low wages, low fee, and the worst case scenario is you probably get your money back. If we spend over £10mil on a player I think we've got to be fairly certain they'll make an impact in the first team.

 

We've become quite bad for this. Everyone points to Bertragaard but the Praet signing drops into this category now for me.

 

I wish we'd tap into South America a little bit. Caicedo who Brighton bought cost £4mil FFS.

[Bluearmyfox28]

6 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I might be wrong but...

 

'City had hoped Soumare could develop into a box-to-box midfielder, a rival to Wilfred Ndidi in the holding role where the 23-year-old could use his strength and athleticism to regain possession, then surge through the midfield. But City have grown impatient with his struggle to adapt to their style and to the Premier League, and are now seeking a buyer for him.

 

At Lille, Soumare played at the base of the midfield, but as City looked to expand his game, he found it difficult to adapt. There were particular concerns over his lack of tracking back and the speed at which he moved the ball.'

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-soumare-transfers-rodgers-7126871

 

For once I actually think that is a fair assessment from the Mercury.

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I might be wrong but...

 

'City had hoped Soumare could develop into a box-to-box midfielder, a rival to Wilfred Ndidi in the holding role where the 23-year-old could use his strength and athleticism to regain possession, then surge through the midfield. But City have grown impatient with his struggle to adapt to their style and to the Premier League, and are now seeking a buyer for him.

 

At Lille, Soumare played at the base of the midfield, but as City looked to expand his game, he found it difficult to adapt. There were particular concerns over his lack of tracking back and the speed at which he moved the ball.'

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-soumare-transfers-rodgers-7126871

 

I’ve recently watched reruns on sky of the games at Brentford and brighton where Bouba played I/o kdh.  He seemed way more physical and intense than in the second half of the season. Perhaps he’s another player who has struggled post covid ???

[moore_94]

6 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I might be wrong but...

 

'City had hoped Soumare could develop into a box-to-box midfielder, a rival to Wilfred Ndidi in the holding role where the 23-year-old could use his strength and athleticism to regain possession, then surge through the midfield. But City have grown impatient with his struggle to adapt to their style and to the Premier League, and are now seeking a buyer for him.

 

At Lille, Soumare played at the base of the midfield, but as City looked to expand his game, he found it difficult to adapt. There were particular concerns over his lack of tracking back and the speed at which he moved the ball.'

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-soumare-transfers-rodgers-7126871

 

So did we want him to be box to box, or a holding midfielder? Because they are 2 vastly different roles

 

Developing him into a box to box midfielder I can understand, but definitely not into a rival for Wilf as a holding player, not with his defensive capabilities

 

He also didn't play at the base of midfield for Lille, he played in a double pivot with Benjamin Andre who was the "destroyer" in the side, Soumare was the ball carrier and much more of a box to box kind of player which is why that would make sense

[Vardinio'sCat]

21 hours ago, moore_94 said:

So did we want him to be box to box, or a holding midfielder? Because they are 2 vastly different roles

 

Developing him into a box to box midfielder I can understand, but definitely not into a rival for Wilf as a holding player, not with his defensive capabilities

 

He also didn't play at the base of midfield for Lille, he played in a double pivot with Benjamin Andre who was the "destroyer" in the side, Soumare was the ball carrier and much more of a box to box kind of player which is why that would make sense

 

It makes sense that his role wasn't a pure dmc, perhaps explains some of the confusion.

[ARM1968]

So the lad is being scraped because of ineptitude on LCFC’s behalf?  Many players take time to settle. Many good players. 

[JimJams]

Mistaking Sangare for Soumare?

[moore_94]

Hopefully still after him

 

 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, moore_94 said:

Hopefully still after him

 

 

Hed be phenomenal but I can't see us paying more than 20m for a signing this summer.

 

Colwill, Sangare, korku and madueke would be an ideal summer and it's still possible but that's going to cost us 90m plus and there's no chance we have that money available.

[moore_94]

5 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Hed be phenomenal but I can't see us paying more than 20m for a signing this summer.

 

Colwill, Sangare, korku and madueke would be an ideal summer and it's still possible but that's going to cost us 90m plus and there's no chance we have that money available.

I think Bourigeaud is going to be our right winger/right sided player signing

 

Colwill possibly on loan

 

Kokcu to replace Tielemans

 

I think we could then just about stretch for Sangare

[Nicolo Barella]

If a team bites for Ndidi we should go all in for Sangaré. Ndidi at his best is the best purely defensive midfielder in the league, but Sangaré in his place would solve a lot of the complaints about negative football we get here.