Dames Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 20 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Can't remember them saying they were going to rebuild the squad in the first week of the window? Or it would be all done in one window. Considering Rodgers was saying we were going to be recruiting a ‘certain profile of player’ this window and also shift on some people that aren't up to being here it doesn’t bode well that we are slow out of the traps with a week or so before pre-season starting. There was talk about war chests, rebuilds etc and now we are getting sell before buying / its going to be a wait and see sort of window. The shift in messaging has been quite stark and considering one of the reasons we had to keep Rodgers is because we had to trust him to rebuild the squad to get us challenging again. Its the mixed messaging from the club and associated sources thats making people impatient if anything and thats the point. 1
FoxFossil Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 8 hours ago, coolhandfox said: The moaning and panicking on here, only 9 PL clubs have made a transfer. The window is still open for another 9 weeks. Be intereted if anyone can give the data on when historically we have made signings. Always seems to me the Club basically all bugger off on holiday for 3 weeks at end of season.
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 7 minutes ago, FoxFossil said: Be intereted if anyone can give the data on when historically we have made signings. Always seems to me the Club basically all bugger off on holiday for 3 weeks at end of season. Funnily enough I type in our season for last year on wiki and Patson Daka was the first - on the 30th June. Not worried just yet
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 19 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 19 June 2022 9 minutes ago, FoxFossil said: Be intereted if anyone can give the data on when historically we have made signings. Always seems to me the Club basically all bugger off on holiday for 3 weeks at end of season. 2021/22: Daka - 30th June Soumare - 2nd July Bertrand - 15th July Vestergaard - 13th August Lookman - 31st August 2020/21: Castagne - 3rd September Under - 20th September Fofana - 2nd October 2019/20: Justin - 28th June Perez - 4th July Tielemans - 8th July Praet - 8th August 2018/19: Ricardo Pereira - 19th May Evans - 8th June Maddison - 20th June ward - 20th July Ghezzal - 5th August Benkovic + Soyuncu - 9th August 1 10
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 27 minutes ago, FoxFossil said: Be intereted if anyone can give the data on when historically we have made signings. Always seems to me the Club basically all bugger off on holiday for 3 weeks at end of season. They basically do.
CloudFox Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 7 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: They basically do. And so they should! I don't really know when else they can have a holiday to be honest. Not exactly ideal for them to take time off mid-season, so not sure what people expect. 1
coolhandfox Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 3 hours ago, Dames said: Considering Rodgers was saying we were going to be recruiting a ‘certain profile of player’ this window and also shift on some people that aren't up to being here it doesn’t bode well that we are slow out of the traps with a week or so before pre-season starting. Window has been open 9 days. 3 hours ago, Dames said: There was talk about war chests, rebuilds etc and now we are getting sell before buying / its going to be a wait and see sort of window. The shift in messaging has been quite stark and considering one of the reasons we had to keep Rodgers is because we had to trust him to rebuild the squad to get us challenging again. Its the mixed messaging from the club and associated sources thats making people impatient if anything and thats the point. The club has said nothing, so how can their be a mixed message? 2
Popular Post KingsX Posted 19 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 19 June 2022 2 hours ago, moore_94 said: Vestergaard - 13th August I call on City fans to declare 13 August as Vesterday, an annual day of mourning to be observed by going to Southampton, burning the contents of their wallets, and singing a sad lament … Vesterday Football was an easy game to play Now we need a place to hide away Oh, we got screwed on Vesterday 2 5
Lesta2014 Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 3 hours ago, moore_94 said: 2021/22: Daka - 30th June Soumare - 2nd July Bertrand - 15th July Vestergaard - 13th August Lookman - 31st August 2020/21: Castagne - 3rd September Under - 20th September Fofana - 2nd October 2019/20: Justin - 28th June Perez - 4th July Tielemans - 8th July Praet - 8th August 2018/19: Ricardo Pereira - 19th May Evans - 8th June Maddison - 20th June ward - 20th July Ghezzal - 5th August Benkovic + Soyuncu - 9th August In my head I had us signing Daka at the beginning of June not the end haha
Grebfromgrebland Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 4 hours ago, moore_94 said: 2021/22: Daka - 30th June Soumare - 2nd July Bertrand - 15th July Vestergaard - 13th August Lookman - 31st August 2020/21: Castagne - 3rd September Under - 20th September Fofana - 2nd October 2019/20: Justin - 28th June Perez - 4th July Tielemans - 8th July Praet - 8th August 2018/19: Ricardo Pereira - 19th May Evans - 8th June Maddison - 20th June ward - 20th July Ghezzal - 5th August Benkovic + Soyuncu - 9th August That's really interesting the last few years we've bought in 2 - 3 first team quality players who have cemented their place in the match day squad. Last season was a disaster with no decent first teamer coming in hitting the ground running. Daka was back up and Lookman ok you wouldn't want him as first choice.
Guest Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 1 hour ago, coolhandfox said: Window has been open 9 days. The club has said nothing, so how can their be a mixed message? Yeah I'm not sure either. Rodgers said he wants to freshen up the squad and there's been a few articles to that effect, that's it as far as I'm aware. He might get what he wants, he might not.
Gamble92 Posted 19 June 2022 Posted 19 June 2022 On 09/06/2022 at 20:10, Shane said: Even the big clubs sometimes struggle with getting rid of their deadwood, such as Drinkwater, Karius, Lingard, etc. Unfortunately we’re probably stuck with the likes of Vestergaard and Bertrand until their contracts expire. Our best hope is for someone to take them on loan and pay some of their wages. The cases you mention are more because the wages they secured at the start of their contract vastly outweigh what they currently deserve to be paid. United had the chance to sell Lingard and didn't. Agreed on Vestergaard and Bertrand. No chance we'll shift them. I think Vestergaard is okay for cup games tbh and will probably serve a purpose this season. Bertrand i wouldn't even trust against lower league teams.
Dames Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 9 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Window has been open 9 days. The club has said nothing, so how can their be a mixed message? Rodgers has stated multiple times he wants to make changes and bring in players, he is as much of an official spokesperson as you can get for the club. Associated journos and sources have also been putting out stories to that effect too. Then as the window starts we get a reverse ferret article from Tanner and nothing since. The point is expectation has been built, especially on the back of some extremely poor performances and results from last season so I can see why people are impatient when it seems like absolutely nothing is happening and Tanner is indicating that sources at the club are saying its going to be a wait and see/wheel and deal summer.
Finn Claw II Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 13 hours ago, moore_94 said: 2021/22: Daka - 30th June Soumare - 2nd July Bertrand - 15th July Vestergaard - 13th August Lookman - 31st August 2020/21: Castagne - 3rd September Under - 20th September Fofana - 2nd October 2019/20: Justin - 28th June Perez - 4th July Tielemans - 8th July Praet - 8th August 2018/19: Ricardo Pereira - 19th May Evans - 8th June Maddison - 20th June ward - 20th July Ghezzal - 5th August Benkovic + Soyuncu - 9th August In the last two windows only Fofana I’d say is a guaranteed first team starter. Possibly Castagne - you can see why the squad need trimming
HighPeakFox Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 22 hours ago, JimJams said: Yeah but those other 11 are all going down next season. This is a top quality comment.
coolhandfox Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dames said: Rodgers has stated multiple times he wants to make changes and bring in players, he is as much of an official spokesperson as you can get for the club. Which is correct. 2 hours ago, Dames said: Associated journos and sources have also been putting out stories to that effect too. This is where you start having issues, taking everything journalists say as canon. 2 hours ago, Dames said: Then as the window starts we get a reverse ferret article from Tanner and nothing since. The point is expectation has been built, especially on the back of some extremely poor performances and results from last season so I can see why people are impatient when it seems like absolutely nothing is happening and Tanner is indicating that sources at the club are saying its going to be a wait and see/wheel and deal summer. Tanner is not a spokesperson for the club, you have to take everything he says with a pinch of salt. Nothing is happening on the surface, doesn't mean the club isn't working on stuff in the background. We aren't a Chelsea or Man CIty, we have to wheel and deal, it just the way it is. Edited 20 June 2022 by coolhandfox
Dames Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 1 minute ago, coolhandfox said: Which is correct. This is where you start having issues, taking everything journalists say as canon. Tanner is not a spokesperson for the club, you have to take everything he says with a pinch of salt. He's not you're right but he'll have his sources and the info he gets won't be miles off the truth. No doubt there will be competing briefings coming out from the club to journos (Rodgers has been known to do this in the past) and you have to filter what is sensible and what is not and credit to Tanner a lot of what he says is mostly sensible otherwise he wouldn't be writing for The Athletic. What we have I think is briefings from Rodgers/his team to try and put the pressure on the board to sanction some money to spend and then we have briefings from the board/associated people saying that its actually going to be a more sensible summer and not to expect too much. Its speculation but its probably not a million miles off the truth either. The question is though that after describing some people here as 'stale' how will Rodgers react to what is going to be a clearly low activity summer in terms of comings and goings and what sort of pressure is that going to bring from a fanbase that were expecting big changes. There is plenty of time to go but the direction of travel seems to be slow, the club could have got a quick win from making Lookmans move permanent - he's well liked and rated by the fans and manager.
coolhandfox Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 33 minutes ago, Dames said: He's not you're right but he'll have his sources and the info he gets won't be miles off the truth. No doubt there will be competing briefings coming out from the club to journos (Rodgers has been known to do this in the past) and you have to filter what is sensible and what is not and credit to Tanner a lot of what he says is mostly sensible otherwise he wouldn't be writing for The Athletic. What we have I think is briefings from Rodgers/his team to try and put the pressure on the board to sanction some money to spend and then we have briefings from the board/associated people saying that its actually going to be a more sensible summer and not to expect too much. Its speculation but its probably not a million miles off the truth either. The question is though that after describing some people here as 'stale' how will Rodgers react to what is going to be a clearly low activity summer in terms of comings and goings and what sort of pressure is that going to bring from a fanbase that were expecting big changes. There is plenty of time to go but the direction of travel seems to be slow, the club could have got a quick win from making Lookmans move permanent - he's well liked and rated by the fans and manager. I think you are overthinking it, I was always going to be a sensible rebuild, 3 or 4 out and 3 or 4 in. Maybe we are just squeezing RB on his price Leipzig.
KFS Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 Half of this is happening because he should never have opened his mouth about a rebuild.
Popular Post hackneyfox Posted 20 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 20 June 2022 (edited) Half of this is happening because some people are determined to blame Rodgers for everything. If Tielemans decides not to go to Arsenal and we can't force him to move then his will impact on the size of the rebuild. It may be a positive that the rebuild isn't as big due to this yet some will never see it that way. Edited 20 June 2022 by hackneyfox 6 1
Dames Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 42 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: I think you are overthinking it, I was always going to be a sensible rebuild, 3 or 4 out and 3 or 4 in. Maybe we are just squeezing RB on his price Leipzig. More than likely but gives us something to post about during a slow summer without football. 1 hour ago, pmcla26 said: I can't imagine anyone is putting pressure on anyone. I'd like to think it's a collective effort and the recruitment team, board and coaching team are all on the same page when it comes to transfers this summer - otherwise you'd have expected more personnel changes. Rodgers is very media savvy and has been around the block more than a few times now. He'll know all the tricks to try and squeeze the board for every last penny he can get for summer transfers, this is actually a credit to him. 23 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: Half of this is happening because some people are determined to blame Rodgers for everything. If Tielemans decides not to go to Arsenal and we can't force him to move then his will impact on the size of the rebuild. It may be a positive that the rebuild isn't as big due to this yet some will never see it that way. Theres no blame for Rodgers here - the only thing he can be guilty of in this instance is mentioning it quite frequently during the run in. It might come back to bite him if we have a poor start, it might not if we have a good start. Even then if activity is low he'll have the wasn't backed in the market get out clause.
gerblod Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 On 10/06/2022 at 14:35, FoxyLeon said: A decent coach would get a lot more out of Soyuncu especially, and possibly Soumare too. The fact Rodgers is happy to get rid of both, should tell us all about his inability to improve players. Just remember, Soyuncu was in the team of the season when he was first introduced into the squad, and the longer Rodgers has had to 'work' with him, the worse he has got. That dreadful word "deadwood" has cropped up again. There's no deadwood at this level of football - just inauspicious circumstances. Under the right management/coaching most professional players can be developed into effective team members. It's when conflict, demotivation, personal issues or antipathies arise that affect the player's performances. Whatever is afflicting Söyüncü doesn't make his potential go away. If Rodgers left he might flourish under a new regime. But Rodgers will be here after, I suspect, Caglar has moved. Waste of an exceptional talent.
Popular Post Webbo Posted 20 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 20 June 2022 We can't make teams buy our players, especially not quickly to suit us. Similarly we can't buy who we want for what we want to pay at a time that's convenient to us. We have this panic every year. Just calm the fck down 13
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 20 June 2022 Posted 20 June 2022 15 hours ago, KingsX said: I call on City fans to declare 13 August as Vesterday, an annual day of mourning to be observed by going to Southampton, burning the contents of their wallets, and singing a sad lament … Vesterday Football was an easy game to play Now we need a place to hide away Oh, we got screwed on Vesterday You are an ungrateful one, aren't you? He should get a statue, titled "19 minutes in Rennes." 3
sacreblueits442 Posted 23 June 2022 Posted 23 June 2022 On 19/06/2022 at 22:07, Lesta2014 said: In my head I had us signing Daka at the beginning of June not the end haha ...going by that list, it does point out we previously did our business early!!! Compared to last season's transfers, we brought in 3 players before the end of June. Things have changed since, with Covid but we did use to hit the ground running at the end of the season.
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