Rodgers opens up on Leicester City transfer struggles but 'won't go to war' with club

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, volpeazzurro said:

It's a bit up in the air at the moment as to whether Rodgers is even a good coach. 

5th, 5th 8th. 

FA Cup winner 

3 season, 3 semi-final.

 

He a good coach. 

[volpeazzurro]

54 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

5th, 5th 8th. 

FA Cup winner 

3 season, 3 semi-final.

 

He a good coach. 

I think Donald Duck should have achieved those league positions given the quality of the other squads around us and what he had available to him at those particular times.

 

It was him, his style of play, tactics, teams selections and substitutions that cost us 4th two years running. I think a number of other managers could have achieved that quite easily with what we had at the time.

 

I don't expect us to be top 6 this season due other teams strengthening over this and last year but, even with what we got, without any incomers, to flirt with relegation would be unacceptable and down to him and him alone. We still have a lot of talent if utilised correctly. For all his coaching input, I don't see many of our players having actually improved under his tutelage, on the contrary, I think some have gone the other way. His failure to address set peice issues after all this time would again tend to point to coaching failure as much as anything else. You can't just point the finger at players and ask for a new set who can just come and do it on there own, a coach has to actually do something about it. He's a legend in his own lunchtime, all fur coat and no knickers. 

[Matt]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

5th, 5th 8th. 

FA Cup winner 

3 season, 3 semi-final.

 

He a good coach. 

So by that metric Ole Gunner Solskjaer’s a good coach?

 

18/19 (Caretaker) - 6th, FA Cup QF, Champions League QF.

19/20 - 3rd, FA Cup SF, EFL Cup SF, Europa League SF.

20/21 - 2nd, FA Cup QF, EFL Cup SF.

I don’t see many PL clubs queuing up for his services.

 

Let me reiterate, on the simple face of it 5th, 5th (however, I say “on simple face of it” because with context of the 5th place finishes, perhaps not), even 8th and the FA Cup win is good enough for me as was 9th under Puel, my issues are with the style and something I simply cannot put up with.

 

Edited 19 July 2022 by Matt

[Lesta2014]

My main issue is the usual issues will continue, conceding from set pieces, moving the ball too slowly against teams who sit deep, being too easy to play against (not enough tactical fouls). Rogers had them for 3 years now, I struggle to see how the above are rectified keeping the same group.

 

on the other hand when we play quick attacking football we are a very good side. I hope we are able to get back to that. I think back to 19/20 against Arsenal evening KO we beat them 2-0, we were quality, looked good at the back, and a threat going forward. More like this please.

 

if we aren’t to sign anyone then please gamble on some younger lads, Wright, alves, braybrooke, nelson. Give them some chances to impress and they could be ‘like new signings’ (more than 15 mins in a friendly)

[Aus Fox]

Just now, Lesta2014 said:

My main issue is the usual issues will continue, conceding from set pieces, moving the ball too slowly against teams who sit deep, being too easy to play against (not enough tactical fouls). Rogers had them for 3 years now, I struggle to see how the above are rectified keeping the same group.

 

on the other hand when we play quick attacking football we are a very good side. I hope we are able to get back to that. I think back to 19/20 against Arsenal evening KO we beat them 2-0, we were quality, looked good at the back, and a threat going forward. More like this please.

 

if we aren’t to sign anyone then please gamble on some younger lads, Wright, alves, braybrooke, nelson. Give them some chances to impress and they could be ‘like new signings’ (more than 15 mins in a friendly)

It’s not really the same group, for much of the season we were without our first and second choice back 4. A lot of our good attacking play relies on the use of our full backs bombing forwards. Castagne, Ricardo and JJ being fully fit from the start will already see us play more attacking football. 
As for set pieces, having Evans, Fofana and Ndidi all in the side makes us 100% better than we were last season.

[coolhandfox]

7 minutes ago, Matt said:

So by that metric Ole Gunner Solskjaer’s a good coach?

 

18/19 (Caretaker) - 6th, FA Cup QF, Champions League QF.

19/20 - 3rd, FA Cup SF, EFL Cup SF, Europa League SF.

20/21 - 2nd, FA Cup QF, EFL Cup SF.

I don’t see many PL clubs queuing up for his services.

 

Let me reiterate, 5th, 5th, even 8th and the FA Cup win is good enough for me as was 9th under Puel, my issues are with the style and something I simply cannot put up with.

 

 

10 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think Donald Duck should have achieved those league positions given the quality of the other squads around us and what he had available to him at those particular times.

 

It was him, his style of play, tactics, teams selections and substitutions that cost us 4th two years running. I think a number of other managers could have achieved that quite easily with what we had at the time.

 

I don't expect us to be top 6 this season due other teams strengthening over this and last year but, even with what we got, without any incomers, to flirt with relegation would be unacceptable and down to him and him alone. We still have a lot of talent if utilised correctly. For all his coaching input, I don't see many of our players having actually improved under his tutelage, on the contrary, I think some have gone the other way. His failure to address set peice issues after all this time would again tend to point to coaching failure as much as anything else. You can't just point the finger at players and ask for a new set who can just come and do it on there own, a coach has to actually do something about it. He's a legend in his own lunchtime, all fur coat and no knickers. 

[Lesta2014]

1 minute ago, Aus Fox said:

It’s not really the same group, for much of the season we were without our first and second choice back 4. A lot of our good attacking play relies on the use of our full backs bombing forwards. Castagne, Ricardo and JJ being fully fit from the start will already see us play more attacking football. 
As for set pieces, having Evans, Fofana and Ndidi all in the side makes us 100% better than we were last season.

Hope your right

[coolhandfox]

16 minutes ago, Matt said:

So by that metric Ole Gunner Solskjaer’s a good coach?

 

18/19 (Caretaker) - 6th, FA Cup QF, Champions League QF.

19/20 - 3rd, FA Cup SF, EFL Cup SF, Europa League SF.

20/21 - 2nd, FA Cup QF, EFL Cup SF.

I don’t see many PL clubs queuing up for his services.

 

Let me reiterate, on the simple face of it 5th, 5th (however, I say “on simple face of it” because with context of the 5th place finishes, perhaps not), even 8th and the FA Cup win is good enough for me as was 9th under Puel, my issues are with the style and something I simply cannot put up with.

Like comparing apples and pears for me but that your perogative.

 

We do go though spells where we are turgid, generally when we are low on confidence and suffering injuries.

 

But we have also had spells were we have played good football.

 

I hopefully that we can be more aggressive and attacking with not having to play Sunday-Thursday-Sunday. Our best football was 19/20 when we had no European football.

Edited 19 July 2022 by coolhandfox

[sacreblueits442]

9 hours ago, norwichfox said:

busy, trying to offload the unwanted...

...I wonder if he is actually beavering in the background!!!

  His contract with us starts on the 1st of September, so technically should be involved until then.

  The consensus is that he is very good at his job and what he does, but the gnawing feeling is that we are bringing him from Southampton and nothing good has come from our forays at that club. At this present moment,  terminating his contract and looking elsewhere may be a better option.

  We are making a lot of bad calls at the moment at different parts of this club and it just feels that we have diverged from the original plan, and there is no clarity as to the big picture.

[coolhandfox]

25 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think Donald Duck should have achieved those league positions given the quality of the other squads around us and what he had available to him at those particular times.

 

It was him, his style of play, tactics, teams selections and substitutions that cost us 4th two years running. I think a number of other managers could have achieved that quite easily with what we had at the time.

 

I don't expect us to be top 6 this season due other teams strengthening over this and last year but, even with what we got, without any incomers, to flirt with relegation would be unacceptable and down to him and him alone. We still have a lot of talent if utilised correctly. For all his coaching input, I don't see many of our players having actually improved under his tutelage, on the contrary, I think some have gone the other way. His failure to address set peice issues after all this time would again tend to point to coaching failure as much as anything else. You can't just point the finger at players and ask for a new set who can just come and do it on there own, a coach has to actually do something about it. He's a legend in his own lunchtime, all fur coat and no knickers. 

Yet Peul with the same squad was looking at a bottom half finish when he got through boot.

 

If you can't see he not improve players, think you are a little be blinkered by you dislike of him.

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Yet Peul with the same squad was looking at a bottom half finish when he got through boot.

 

If you can't see he not improve players, think you are a little be blinkered by you dislike of him.

 

 

...significantly, after 3 years, the same players that he inherited makes up the current team!!!

  Apart from  Fofana and JJ, there is:

Kasper

Ricardo Fofana Evans  JJ

Tielemans Wilf  KDH

Maddison Vardy Barnes

[coolhandfox]

11 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...significantly, after 3 years, the same players that he inherited makes up the current team!!!

  Apart from  Fofana and JJ, there is:

Kasper

Ricardo Fofana Evans  JJ

Tielemans Wilf  KDH

Maddison Vardy Barnes

So KDH was in the squad 3 years ago? 

[sacreblueits442]

Just now, coolhandfox said:

So KDH was in the squad 3 years ago? 

.. no, just part of the club, they all were prior to Rodgers!!!

[An Sionnach]

12 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...significantly, after 3 years, the same players that he inherited makes up the current team!!!

  Apart from  Fofana and JJ, there is:

Kasper

Ricardo Fofana Evans  JJ

Tielemans Wilf  KDH

Maddison Vardy Barnes

And he turns to Amartey, Albrighton and Soyuncu when he has to. He certainly hasn't rebuilt the team.

[An Sionnach]

3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

So KDH was in the squad 3 years ago? 

Rodgers thought he wasn't ready , Klopp would have brought him in far earlier.

[Aus Fox]

3 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Rodgers thought he wasn't ready , Klopp would have brought him in far earlier.

Come on, this is getting ridiculous now. Rodgers has his faults but some of the stuff being posted to have a pop at him now is just laughable. 

[An Sionnach]

Just now, Aus Fox said:

Come on, this is getting ridiculous now. Rodgers has his faults but some of the stuff being posted to have a pop at him now is just laughable. 

I am not having a pop at him at all , its his conservative way of thinking. He gets results but is generally risk averse. Most of the criticism is about his cautious tactics. Perhaps the balance should shift to a more progressive way of playing.

[coolhandfox]

16 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.. no, just part of the club, they all were prior to Rodgers!!!

So what your point?

 

I was taking about Rodgers improving players not about bring players in.

 

 

[Nalis]

This thread

 

Who needs a rivalry when we're happy to stick the knife into ourselves and each other eh?

[foxinsocks]

2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

It's a bit up in the air at the moment as to whether Rodgers is even a good coach. 

I think the truth is that he does some good stuff... yet after 3 seasons you are left with his blind spots.   

My particular concern is the was he abandons rather than fixes players. (So the squad is bloated with hits he wont pick) I also believe that the days of possession football are over.   His teams lack positivity and won't risk possession. 

Worst of all is his inability to take any responsibility... and to deflect blame.  It's all about having the narrative for his next job interview.

 

[An Sionnach]

20 minutes ago, Nalis said:

This thread

 

Who needs a rivalry when we're happy to stick the knife into ourselves and each other eh?

Bit harsh, football fans rarely agree with each other. None of us are completely right and only the brain dead are completely wrong. Rodgers though is not really divisive , he is just very difficult to understand. We have 900 pages of trying to read him and we are still nowhere near.

[KFS]

@Ric Flairjust made a great point in ‘other club’s transfer news’. It can’t be a money thing because we’ve always bet against our next season success, and last season we got prize money for 8th which covers at least one new buy.

 

Let’s say you’re Perez, Vestergaard, Bertrand, Soumare, Choudhury, Mendy, Amartey. From a psychological point of view, if you see your replacement walk through the door are you trying to find a club asap or now know you’re able to sit around for a year getting paid for **** all? 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

So by that metric Ole Gunner Solskjaer’s a good coach?

 

18/19 (Caretaker) - 6th, FA Cup QF, Champions League QF.

19/20 - 3rd, FA Cup SF, EFL Cup SF, Europa League SF.

20/21 - 2nd, FA Cup QF, EFL Cup SF.

I don’t see many PL clubs queuing up for his services.

 

Let me reiterate, on the simple face of it 5th, 5th (however, I say “on simple face of it” because with context of the 5th place finishes, perhaps not), even 8th and the FA Cup win is good enough for me as was 9th under Puel, my issues are with the style and something I simply cannot put up with.

 

Not comparable. One manages the largest club in the world, the other manages a provincial club with revenues firmly in the mid-table of the division. Rodgers has overachieved with the club; I get the playing style point but some on here have said we should be challenging for the top six 

[CosbehFox]

I was going to reply to a few posts and then left it. Some of the deluded, hysterical nonsense on here is worth of Spurs or Arsenal fans. 

Edited 19 July 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[NaijaFox]

On 16/07/2022 at 12:51, davieG said:

It's the same squad as last year less Lookman and no Europe games so there's no reason why we can't match 8th or better especially if we have less injuries. 

Except that other teams (including some below us, also not burdened with European engagements) have improved while we stood still..