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Rodgers opens up on Leicester City transfer struggles but 'won't go to war' with club

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Les-TA-Jon

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22 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

I've heard arguments like this a few times - ie, that without buying players we'll be weaker next season than we were last. It just doesn't make a great deal of sense to me when you consider that we came eighth and reached a European semi-final last season with a heavily-depleted squad. Some of our players may be reaching the end of their careers (although Vardy still looks as sharp as ever), but players like Barnes, Maddison, KDH, Fofana etc are just maturing. Plus the likes of Daka, and possibly even Soumare, have had a year to adjust and may be ready to step up. So I just don't agree with this "If Leicester don't buy players now they'll drift into mediocrity' line of reasoning...

The real test will be the amount of revisionism that occurs over the course of this season. 

 

Last summer we kept hold of all our best players and signed:

 

Daka - promising understudy to Vardy and much needed reinforcements up front

Lookman - solid winger

Soumare - strong box to box midfielder we were missing, with title winning experience from Ligue 1

Vestergaard - much needed CB cover after Fofana's leg break and some welcome height and strength at the back

Bertrand - an experienced PL Pro to cover Thomas as he develops and replace the departing Fuchs

 

There was a consensus last summer that we had a great window and had assembled 'on paper' the best PL squad we'd ever had. Then the season actually happened, you know the rest and then a lot of people decided it was a terrible window and we'd got lumbered with poor players. 

 

This summer there's (quite rightly?) concern at our lack of incomings and outgoings, but it's also complemented by a lot of people saying "we'll be fine" and "we finished 8th last season with a 'bad one' - this season we could do one better" 

 

I imagine at the first sign of trouble this season many people will be using this summer's window as a stick to beat Rodgers/The Club. 

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1 hour ago, Terraloon said:

Rumblings are getting louder that Chelsea are in for Fofana.

 

Not clearing players from the payroll isn’t unique to just Leicester it’s just about every club. The thing is that one teams deadwood is another’s potential star player. The sad thing is if cash is needed and “ deadwood “ isn’t getting shifted then if you are serious about generating funds to  bring in players  then if the owners aren’t able to inject cash, for whatever reason, then you have to sell prized assets 

 

 

Are they? I’ve looked everywhere for weeks looking for even the slightest Leicester related transfer story and this one hasn’t come up anywhere. Have you got any sort of link or is this just made up?

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1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said:

It's difficult for Rodgers to complain when all the players we want to get rid of are his signings. Vestergaard, Perez, Bertrand, Soumare, Praet etc.

 

Fans probably won't but I wonder if the owners will be happy enough with a 'mediocre' season and then prepare for bigger changes next summer. 

 

We're good enough, even with no additions, to have more than a "mediocre" season. We finished 8th last season, 4 points off Europe, with a first 11 that was never settled.

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1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

The real test will be the amount of revisionism that occurs over the course of this season. 

 

Last summer we kept hold of all our best players and signed:

 

Daka - promising understudy to Vardy and much needed reinforcements up front

Lookman - solid winger

Soumare - strong box to box midfielder we were missing, with title winning experience from Ligue 1

Vestergaard - much needed CB cover after Fofana's leg break and some welcome height and strength at the back

Bertrand - an experienced PL Pro to cover Thomas as he develops and replace the departing Fuchs

 

There was a consensus last summer that we had a great window and had assembled 'on paper' the best PL squad we'd ever had. Then the season actually happened, you know the rest and then a lot of people decided it was a terrible window and we'd got lumbered with poor players. 

 

This summer there's (quite rightly?) concern at our lack of incomings and outgoings, but it's also complemented by a lot of people saying "we'll be fine" and "we finished 8th last season with a 'bad one' - this season we could do one better" 

 

I imagine at the first sign of trouble this season many people will be using this summer's window as a stick to beat Rodgers/The Club. 

It won't be revisionism if it comes from the many people worried about the lack of transfer activity.

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34 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We're good enough, even with no additions, to have more than a "mediocre" season. We finished 8th last season, 4 points off Europe, with a first 11 that was never settled.

The whole thing did feel very stale towards the end of last season, I must say. We have some very good players, but things always need freshening up somewhat. I'm never one to demand that we go out and spend obscene amounts of money, but I do appreciate the value of having a few fresh faces. 

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3 hours ago, Terraloon said:

Rumblings are getting louder that Chelsea are in for Fofana.

 

Not clearing players from the payroll isn’t unique to just Leicester it’s just about every club. The thing is that one teams deadwood is another’s potential star player. The sad thing is if cash is needed and “ deadwood “ isn’t getting shifted then if you are serious about generating funds to  bring in players  then if the owners aren’t able to inject cash, for whatever reason, then you have to sell prized assets 

 

 

Genuinely more chance that we get rid of Bertrand, Vestergaard, Perez and Soumare for decent money than there is of Fofana leaving. Just signed a new deal and is happy here so unless it's £100m (which Chelsea don't have) then he ain't going anywhere. Next summer could be a different story if he continues to develop as well as he has 

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38 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We're good enough, even with no additions, to have more than a "mediocre" season. We finished 8th last season, 4 points off Europe, with a first 11 that was never settled.

Good point, well said ,finished 8th last season with so many injuries ,we are good enough to get into Europe this season, just need to keep injury free 

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21 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Which say according to a chelsea podcaster.

 

That's like me saying we are interested in Mbappe.

I was asked for the source and duly posted the link.

 

Look I know all the arguments as to why he can’t, why he shouldn’t be sold here we are and one way or the other there has to be player movement.

 

If anyone thinks the likes of Bertrand is going to just walk from his contract they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Why would he ? 
 

The market for premier league clubs deadwood is limited and unless the player is given a financial incentive then they are just going to wind down their contracts.

 

Come the end of 22/23 season then yes a lot more is in the clubs hands but as of now all the players that can be waved a cheery goodbye have gone.

 

None of us know what a player like WF has in their contract. Maybe it’s like Kantes with some sort of release clause maybe not but if Sportsrac anywhere close to getting his wage right he had to have some sort of get out otherwise his agent was mad letting him sign the length of contract  (2027)

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2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

We're good enough, even with no additions, to have more than a "mediocre" season. We finished 8th last season, 4 points off Europe, with a first 11 that was never settled.

We have no lookman, he contributed a lot to our creativity, we're weaker than last season 

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36 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

We have no lookman, he contributed a lot to our creativity, we're weaker than last season 

Last season Fofana played in just seven league games. Jonny Evans played in 18, James Justin played in 13, Ricardo played in 14 and Ndidi played in 19. That's four defenders who played in less than half our league games and our main defensive midfielder who played in exactly half.

 

Are you actually suggesting that the absence of Lookman overshadows the return of those players?

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5 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

The real test will be the amount of revisionism that occurs over the course of this season. 

 

Last summer we kept hold of all our best players and signed:

 

Daka - promising understudy to Vardy and much needed reinforcements up front

Lookman - solid winger

Soumare - strong box to box midfielder we were missing, with title winning experience from Ligue 1

Vestergaard - much needed CB cover after Fofana's leg break and some welcome height and strength at the back

Bertrand - an experienced PL Pro to cover Thomas as he develops and replace the departing Fuchs

 

There was a consensus last summer that we had a great window and had assembled 'on paper' the best PL squad we'd ever had. Then the season actually happened, you know the rest and then a lot of people decided it was a terrible window and we'd got lumbered with poor players. 

 

This summer there's (quite rightly?) concern at our lack of incomings and outgoings, but it's also complemented by a lot of people saying "we'll be fine" and "we finished 8th last season with a 'bad one' - this season we could do one better" 

 

I imagine at the first sign of trouble this season many people will be using this summer's window as a stick to beat Rodgers/The Club. 

And rightly so imo (Rodgers far more so than the club). Despite injuries and certainly compared to many of our Premiership counterparts, Rodgers has had some very decent players. It's been over 12 months of poor quality dull football now and three cheap wins against very poor down and out opposition at the tale end of the season merely served to paper over the cracks.

 

There's now no injuries and therefore no excuses, he needs to start proving he's this elite manager worth his 10m a year. 

 

Outside of Manchester City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea and Arsenal who have done some great business in the transfer market, the rest of the teams aren't exactly brimming with better talent than us. This team has been together for a reasonable amount of time now and any 'gel time' should be about done. It's time to compete. The 'over-achieving' mantra needs to be dropped as it only serves as a managerial excuse. There's only a short period before the World Cup commences during which there's a large Premiership break before the season reconvenes. I forsee a number of chairman considering dumping their managers during that long break rather than the more traditional January period. Rodgers with what he's got, needs to get off to a good start. Absolutely no excuses for him now.

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2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Last season Fofana played in just seven league games. Jonny Evans played in 18, James Justin played in 13, Ricardo played in 14 and Ndidi played in 19. That's four defenders who played in less than half our league games and our main defensive midfielder who played in exactly half.

 

Are you actually suggesting that the absence of Lookman overshadows the return of those players?

No, I'm saying the squad is weaker. Nevermind who was injured and how many games they played, we've no idea how injuries will pan out this season 

Les-TA-Jon

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2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

And rightly so imo (Rodgers far more so than the club). Despite injuries and certainly compared to many of our Premiership counterparts, Rodgers has had some very decent players. It's been over 12 months of poor quality dull football now and three cheap wins against very poor down and out opposition at the tale end of the season merely served to paper over the cracks.

 

There's now no injuries and therefore no excuses, he needs to start proving he's this elite manager worth his 10m a year. 

 

Outside of Manchester City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea and Arsenal who have done some great business in the transfer market, the rest of the teams aren't exactly brimming with better talent than us. This team has been together for a reasonable amount of time now and any 'gel time' should be about done. It's time to compete. The 'over-achieving' mantra needs to be dropped as it only serves as a managerial excuse. There's only a short period before the World Cup commences during which there's a large Premiership break before the season reconvenes. I forsee a number of chairman considering dumping their managers during that long break rather than the more traditional January period. Rodgers with what he's got, needs to get off to a good start. Absolutely no excuses for him now.

Right and what's that got to do with my post? 

 

My post was a retort to those saying "No signings this summer doesn't have to be doom and gloom. We'll be alright" 

 

To that, I was saying, that's all good and well, but you can bet that at the first sign of trouble people will be moaning about the lack of signings. 

 

I wasn't making a value judgement either way on BR or the signings last year. 

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2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Right and what's that got to do with my post? 

 

My post was a retort to those saying "No signings this summer doesn't have to be doom and gloom. We'll be alright" 

 

To that, I was saying, that's all good and well, but you can bet that at the first sign of trouble people will be moaning about the lack of signings. 

 

I wasn't making a value judgement either way on BR or the signings last year. 

I was replying to your last bit ie:

 

 

'I imagine at the first sign of trouble this season many people will be using this summer's window as a stick to beat Rodgers/The Club'. 

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16 hours ago, Terraloon said:

Rumblings are getting louder that Chelsea are in for Fofana.

 

Not clearing players from the payroll isn’t unique to just Leicester it’s just about every club. The thing is that one teams deadwood is another’s potential star player. The sad thing is if cash is needed and “ deadwood “ isn’t getting shifted then if you are serious about generating funds to  bring in players  then if the owners aren’t able to inject cash, for whatever reason, then you have to sell prized assets 

 

 

...we really do not have to sell Fofana, we have the money for transfers, we are just stymied by wages and the impact of FFP!!!

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13 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

With the new FFP more focused on wages now, I wonder if the way forward is to reduce the balance sheet wages and offset by signing on fees.

...I  can't see that auditors would be convinced by this attempt to reclassify an expense!!!

  The reason for FFP is to ensure that clubs keep within a ratio of wages to Revenue and to stop clubs from taking the risk, of going all in to secure promotion or to stave off relegation. It is clear that a signing on fee is remuneration for the players and would be bracketed as such.

  Saracens (Rugby Union) attempt to circumnavigate the system by creating individual companies for their players and then put money into the companies as an investment by their owner, was picked up,  having looked at their accounts. A subsequent relegation followed, but they bounced right back the next season.

  I for one do not wish to see us having to climb back up from the Championship because we were desperate and panicked.

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11 hours ago, Terraloon said:

Come the end of 22/23 season then yes a lot more is in the clubs hands but as of now all the players that can be waved a cheery goodbye have gone.

...not quite understanding this part!!!

  I was wondering if this was a typo or are you saying that the fringe players have now gone, because due to our inability and delay in their sale, they are the reason for the countless topics popping up on this forum. 

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Personally, I think we are in a good position going into this season.

No injuries, no big names sold and a hood solid pre season with people coming back (praet) and people looking better than last (daka and soumare).

Yes we haven't signed anyone, but we have a full squad and a good squad. Without European football this season we are more rested and ready to go in the league and need to push up that table.

 

At the end of this season a lot of the "deadwood" players who we are trying to get off our books have expiring contracts so they will leave.

Hopefully, if we can get in the European places we can have new players coming in at that point.

 

Im excited this season and not worried at all.

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