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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Chilwell was nowhere near Thomas's level bar a couple of performances until Puel took over and there was a pre-season where he came back a different beast (summer of 2018/19) or was it (2017/18 under Sheakespeare). 

 

Either way, Chilwell was a similar age or even older than Thomas when that transformation occurred and in my opinion he was excellent 1st half of 2018/19 season and 2019/20 season with very inconsistent performances the other halves of those seasons.

 

So who knows whether Thomas transforms himself soon and if he does, coupled with a better first few years at Leicester then he'd be heralded in better regard than Chilwell.

This is going to be really hard for people to get their heads round.

 

Amazing that a side that finished ahead of us last year sees more in him than some of the experts on here.

 

Salah had chilwells pants down when he played him aged 22. Thomas marked him out the game aged 20.

 

Chilwell did do some really good headless chicken runs for us though tbf.

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Posted
46 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Chilwell was never 'genuinely sensational' for us. That's a laughable suggestion.

 

Chilwell had his arse handed to him every time he played against a good side with a decent right winger. 

Saved me pointing this out. If Chelsea move to a back 4 this season I expect to see him exposed on many occasions 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

This is going to be really hard for people to get their heads round.

 

Amazing that a side that finished ahead of us last year sees more in him than some of the experts on here.

 

Salah had chilwells pants down when he played him aged 22. Thomas marked him out the game aged 20.

 

Chilwell did do some really good headless chicken runs for us though tbf.

Thomas marked a player out of the game when his whole team was camped in their own box for 90 minutes lol

 

It's a miracle our team conceded so many goals with so many world class defenders in the team that played attack v defence against Liverpool

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17 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Happened 3 times in 20/21 and 0 times last season

 

1 time vs Fulham to change system

 

1 time vs Wolves to protect him against Adama Traore who was going to be coming on (although I guess you probably think we should have just left the 19 year old to try and deal with Traore who mugs off most defenders)

 

1 time vs Arsenal

Pepe tore the poor lad to shreds 

Posted
20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Chilwell was nowhere near Thomas's level bar a couple of performances until Puel took over and there was a pre-season where he came back a different beast (summer of 2018/19) or was it (2017/18 under Sheakespeare). 

 

Either way, Chilwell was a similar age or even older than Thomas when that transformation occurred and in my opinion he was excellent 1st half of 2018/19 season and 2019/20 season with very inconsistent performances the other halves of those seasons.

 

So who knows whether Thomas transforms himself soon and if he does, coupled with a better first few years at Leicester then he'd be heralded in better regard than Chilwell.

Was 2018/19, got himself in England team from there. Before that he showed numerous technical flaws. Overly one footed. Not great at his back post. 

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He’s only just turned 21 has a couple of seasons of prem experience in him and has looked very decent in the role and shown flashes of potential to be excellent. Yes he can be lightweight but a preseason in the gym now to build muscle and toughen him up might be all he needs. It worked wonders for chilwell and Mahrez. Yes he might never reach the heights that some others have for us but he also definitely could do and selling him off cheap now at this stage in his career would be a massive mistake in my opinion. Definitely wouldn’t even consider under £25 million for him but would prefer we didn’t sell him at all

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1 minute ago, filbertway said:

Thomas marked a player out of the game when his whole team was camped in their own box for 90 minutes lol

 

It's a miracle our team conceded so many goals with so many world class defenders in the team that played attack v defence against Liverpool

Tbf, we did the same at Anfield in 19/20 when they got the last minute penalty winner. Same tactics. Chilwell was utterly ran ragged and consistently gave the ball away

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23 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Chilwell was nowhere near Thomas's level bar a couple of performances until Puel took over and there was a pre-season where he came back a different beast (summer of 2018/19) or was it (2017/18 under Sheakespeare). 

 

Either way, Chilwell was a similar age or even older than Thomas when that transformation occurred and in my opinion he was excellent 1st half of 2018/19 season and 2019/20 season with very inconsistent performances the other halves of those seasons.

 

So who knows whether Thomas transforms himself soon and if he does, coupled with a better first few years at Leicester then he'd be heralded in better regard than Chilwell.

What like Athletico Madrid when he was 20? He had a title winning fullback in front of him let us now forget. Puel embraced youth, over Shakey who was just doing jobs for the boys. 

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Depends on the Fee really, the lad has potential but he also didn’t grab his opportunity well last season. We are strong in that position, if it gives us the funds to pay off Hamza and a few more and get a few in. I’d be happy to let him go.

Justin is only 2 years older and he will never get passed him whilst Justin is fit.

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Posted
36 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I don't want to overdue it on Thomas, he's been ALRIGHT considering the circumstances, his age and constant changes in the back line. But I've not really been wowed by him, like I have been with Chilwell (when his form hadn't gone off a cliff) and Justin, who frankly before the injury was even pissing all over what Chilwell had done for us.

 

He's effectively our back up left back, if we HAVE to sell, then I'd rather it be a backup left back than Maddison or Barnes. 

Aye, just how I see Thomas. Decent, steady LB who has decent games but who gets over-run in others. But he IS only a young kid still really.

That said, I wouldn’t sell him unless the club have to.

I think the point being made was comparing him to Chilwell?

IMO he’ll be nowhere near Chilwell’s ability.

Hope I’m proven wrong 

Posted
29 minutes ago, Bettsj2 said:

We all want Thomas to be amazing because he's homegrown but the fact is, he's our 3rd choice left back and isn't going to progress whilst in that position.

 

At this stage of his career and where we are, if a good offer was made, it makes sense for everyone to let him go.

Or a loan to a championship club 

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18 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

This is going to be really hard for people to get their heads round.

 

Amazing that a side that finished ahead of us last year sees more in him than some of the experts on here.

 

Salah had chilwells pants down when he played him aged 22. Thomas marked him out the game aged 20.

 

Chilwell did do some really good headless chicken runs for us though tbf.

Amazing that Chelsea, a side that finished above us saw more in him than some of the experts on here, then bought him for £50/£60. Amazing for the worst player in our team, who then went on to win the champions league. 

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Chilwell is an attacker really just like Alonso. Both can be suspect as defenders. Luke is a straight up defensive player and will improve that side of his game. Attacking wise he is limited like Simpson but do we need that from him?

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I was a fan of Chilwell and when everyone was abusing him on here, I felt the need to defend him. People were overly critical of one of the best fullbacks in the country; as he didn’t show the old school attitude and laughed and joked with his mates on opposing teams. I rate him highly as a player and he’ll go on to be one of the worlds top full backs. 
 

However, even I will say that Thomas is ahead of him development wise at a similar age. Young players make mistakes, it’s the learning curve. He came into the team as a practical child into a man’s game. He’s learning on the job and he’s going to have games where the likes of Salah, Pepe etc will give him a torrid time. What does he take from it though. He’s learnt and improved at a faster rate than Chilwell has. Chilwell was learning against Mahrez week in / week out. Thomas has had the joys of Perez! 
 

Anyone that advocates selling a homegrown player; that matches out quota; has a lot of upward growth and a potential future England international ….. needs to give their head a wobble. 

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1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

I don't know why you quoted my post to say this, as that's clearly not what I said. 

You said only shown signs of being a solid defensive full back... I'm just stating he has the attributes to contribute further forwards and used his goal at Old Trafford as an example. A Danny Simpson type fullback isn't bagging a goal like that. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

You said only shown signs of being a solid defensive full back... I'm just stating he has the attributes to contribute further forwards and used his goal at Old Trafford as an example. A Danny Simpson type fullback isn't bagging a goal like that. 

I would like to see him become a rock solid defender first , able to cover for our high line tactics. If he gets more more useful further forward later on, all well and good.

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Just now, pmcla26 said:

He has though? One goal doesn't change that for me, he's definitely got potential to offer more than someone like Simpson did in the final third but he's not going to be a Chilwell or Ricardo mould of full-back marauding up and down the flank. Besides, there isn't anything wrong with that either if he does it well. Not everyone has to be a wing-back and Thomas has proven he supports Barnes pretty well down that side before, so arguably he doesn't need to be, but having that ability in the final third is definitely a bonus, especially in the modern game and with how well it suited us in 19/20. 

Oh yeah fair enough physically he isn't going to play that role but definitely has the technical attributes to do so if needed.

Posted
1 hour ago, Babylon said:

The first half of his last season for us he was our best player. Then dropped off a cliff second half of the season. 

He really wasn’t, let’s just change history to make it fit the story.

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5 minutes ago, Ian S said:

He really wasn’t, let’s just change history to make it fit the story.

One of our better players up until January would be a fair assessment then his form dropped off somewhat

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Just now, turlo said:

One of our better players up until January would be a fair assessment then his form dropped off somewhat

Not quite the same thing.

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