Who is responsible for the "mess" on and off the pitch?

[Guest Col city fan]

14 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Bit more resilience and perspective would not cause injury though 

The ‘perspective’ will pan out over the season I guess. 
If our squad is as good as everyone says it is, the financial nonsense that seems to have enveloped the club won’t be an issue. We‘ll ‘be ok’ (whatever that means) and the ‘re-build’ (don’t forget that was the terms used by the club’s manager for THIS summer) can start next summer.

‘I’m not as convinced as many seem to be that the squad is anywhere near as good as people are making out. So, if we start to pick up injuries and to struggle (having not reinforced in anyway, shape or form this summer), the whole ‘perspective’ that you mention will QUICKLY change.

We‘ll see.

Edit… and believe you, me. If we do start to struggle this season, those now condescendingly saying ‘don’t worry’ and ‘what mess’? will be the first to start moaning.

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Edited 27 July 2022 by Col city fan

[sylofox]

54 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

 

The person(s) who signed the contracts for Vestie and Bertrand don’t only need to be sacked, they need shooting!

I suppose you still burn witches at the steak to.

[Guest Col city fan]

5 minutes ago, sylofox said:

I suppose you still burn witches at the steak to.

It’s ‘stake’ you fookin carrot cruncher! 😂
Oh, and ‘too’ not ‘to’

Ffs….

Edited 27 July 2022 by Col city fan

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

It’s ‘stake’ you fookin carrot cruncher! 😂

So yes you do 😂😂😂😂😂

 

I realised it as I pressed the post button but thought fvck it

[Gamble92]

This is great banter. It really is. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Can’t be bothered to find an appropriate thread if I’m honest, but I thought Top’s comments were very telling, and it’s kind of relevant to this thread.

 

People laughed and scoffed at the thought of Rodgers’ training regime being a reason for most of our injuries last season

 

They laughed and scoffed at the thought of it being to do with the ‘changes’ in back room staff

 

They put it down to coincidence and a congested fixture list. 
 

Do Tops comments in the bottom paragraph change any of those beliefs? 

 

 

Edited 27 July 2022 by The Year Of The Fox

[Dusty]

3 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Can’t be bothered to find an appropriate thread if I’m honest, but I thought Top’s comments were very telling, and it’s kind of relevant to this thread.

 

People laughed and scoffed at the thought of Rodgers’ training regime being a reason for most of our injuries last season

 

They laughed and scoffed at the thought of it being to do with the ‘changes’ in back room staff

 

They put it down to coincidence and a congested fixture list. 
 

Do Tops comments in the bottom paragraph change any of those beliefs? 

 

 

No.

[The Year Of The Fox]

9 minutes ago, Dusty said:

No.

Fair enough

 

Interesting as to why they didn’t renew the guys contract and he only ended up at lowly Middlesbrough too. 

[majaco]

7 hours ago, TheStig said:

 

I am wondering how we have ended up in such a muddle and mess in relation to the players´ contracts, salaries etc.?

 

Who is responsible and why do failures seem to have no consequences?

 

 

Long and expensive contracts - Rudkin?

 

8-10 contracts expiring simultaneously 2023 - Rudkin?

 

Abysmal defending set pieces - Touré and Stowell?

 

Prolongation of stadium expansion - ??

 

Not reaching Europe or CL - Rodgers + players (partly injury issues in 2021/22 but the 2 seasons prior to this was down to the players that now want out to get European football.......

 

Despite all the above I have seen no one being fired or any changes to the structure/organization of the club (apart from a new doc and at some point a new DF) if I´m not mistaken.

 

In other organizations failures of this magnitude would have had immediate consequences but we seem just to be ambling along.

 

I wonder if Top has taken "the eye of the ball" as we seem in a stalemate and the drive we had seems to have gone a bit.

 

Comments?

 

 

 

 

 

Who is responsible for the silly original post?

 

There are issues that need managing that are being managed.

 

Look at recent seasons compared to most of our history.   Last season  was disappointing.we only finished 8th and got to a European semi-final.  But not getting to Europe again is disappointing. 

 

There are lots of considered comments around the forum. Although there is frustration,  there is a recognition that we need to trim the squad.

 

There are also lots of entitled comments as if people are impersonating Man City, Chelsea etc fans.

 

We are going going to have a good season.  We have a number of excellent players (we may lose one or two) and a few who need to go.

 

I predict we will have at least two new players to get excited about by the end of the window.

 

 

[Bourbon Fox]

5 hours ago, sdb said:

I honestly think a large part of the 'mess' boils down to the Bertrand and Vestergaard deals. Expensive panic buys and ridiculous wages on players we didn't need, don't suit our (on or off the field) model and we are now lumbered with for at least another 12 months, at the expensive of bringing in exciting players, or tying down our best. Short termism came into play for probably the first time since our (equally wasteful) 2016 transfer window and we're now stuck in quicksand whilst our rivals make impressive looking acquisitions on a weekly basis.

Retrospect is a fine thing, but even at the time bringing them both in seemed like a cock up. If I'd known the purported wages at the time I'd have crapped my trousers with rage

Edited 27 July 2022 by Bourbon Fox

[CosbehFox]

24 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Fair enough

 

Interesting as to why they didn’t renew the guys contract and he only ended up at lowly Middlesbrough too. 

And we brought in a bloke whose worked with Rodgers previously like 

[The Year Of The Fox]

6 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

And we brought in a bloke whose worked with Rodgers previously like 

Who, Waller? 

[coolhandfox]

14 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

And we brought in a bloke whose worked with Rodgers previously like 

I didn't think they were at Liverpool at the same time?

 

Mark Waller was at Liverpool before and had left in 2010, Rodgers joined in 2013

 

Waller was massively pre Rodgers, working for Liverpool as early as 1993

 

 

 

 

Edited 27 July 2022 by coolhandfox

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I didn't think they were at Liverpool at the same time?

 

Mark Waller was at Liverpool before and had left in 2010, Rodgers joined in 2013

 

Waller was massively pre Rodgers, working for Liverpool as early as 1993

 

 

 

 

My bad thought they worked at Liverpool same time 

[coolhandfox]

Just now, Cardiff_Fox said:

My bad thought they worked at Liverpool same time 

He was the guy who saved Houllier by sending him to hospital at half-time.

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

The ‘perspective’ will pan out over the season I guess. 
If our squad is as good as everyone says it is, the financial nonsense that seems to have enveloped the club won’t be an issue. We‘ll ‘be ok’ (whatever that means) and the ‘re-build’ (don’t forget that was the terms used by the club’s manager for THIS summer) can start next summer.

‘I’m not as convinced as many seem to be that the squad is anywhere near as good as people are making out. So, if we start to pick up injuries and to struggle (having not reinforced in anyway, shape or form this summer), the whole ‘perspective’ that you mention will QUICKLY change.

We‘ll see.

Edit… and believe you, me. If we do start to struggle this season, those now condescendingly saying ‘don’t worry’ and ‘what mess’? will be the first to start moaning.

👍

Praet not seen as a reinforcement then? 🤔

[Babylon]

It’s a very weirdo notion that if we’d have been able to sign someone things would be ok and not a “mess”. As seemingly most of this is based on our current inability to buy someone, because they we’ve already spent heavily. 
 

I mean, we could have chosen not to blow £60m last summer, more than most clubs and keep a bit for this window. Would that have made much of a difference to the situation? Would people be happier because we had a new shiny toy?

[Vazman]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

It’s ‘stake’ you fookin carrot cruncher! 😂
Oh, and ‘too’ not ‘to’

Ffs….

Most informative post today 

[Dan]

9 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I dislike hyperbole and hysteria and there's far too much of it in football social media, this place is rife with it. 

 

But mess is definitely the word I'd use for our current situation. Our identification of young talent is definitely a strength of the club and something we can be proud of but our squad management off the pitch is very poor. 

 

Complaining because we've not signed a Brazilian right wing wonder kid in every transfer window would be over the top. Using the word "mess" and being upset because it's just over a week before the season starts and we're the only club in Europe's top seven leagues that hasn't managed to improve their squad and we aren't really able to because we've far too many overpaid, redundant assets on our books is just accurate. 

 

I don't like to use the term "happy clapper" but if you're still digging in your heels and denying that there's a fairly significant problem unfolding here then either the phrase applies to you or you just enjoy arguing on the Internet for the sakes of doing so. 

 

And regards the original post, the answer is ultimately Jon Rudkin. This is literally the bread and butter of his job, the definition of his role is to manage the squad at Leicester City, to oversee signings, to have the final say on who comes in, who we release, what contracts are offered, etc. That's what a Director of Football does. 

 

The whole point of separating the roles of DOF and head coach is that these days, with head coaches never really lasting very long, if left to their own devices in the transfer market they would tend towards short termism and quick fixes to try and improve their own immediate situation. I mean, would we have wanted Claude Puel to have dictated the future of Jamie Vardy at the club? 

 

By handing the reigns to a specialist director in charge of taking care of the squad in the best interests of the club, you're supposed to be letting a guy sit back with a more long term scope and plan out the development of a well rounded and balanced squad that protects the future of the team. 

 

To that end, there's always been questions asked of Rudkin and currently they're not being answered. Now with any luck, he'll work to navigate through it and we'll get back on track. I'm absolutely not advocating we call for his head. If you accept he's responsible for causing the current situation then you also have to accept he gets responsibility for building a squad that won the Premier League and FA Cup on a shoestring budget. 

 

But regardless, this is definitely "a mess." In fact, I'd say that word is fairly mild. 

 

Bang on. If everything you described had happened at Everton or Villa they'd be getting pelters on here.

[Webbo]

8 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Bang on. If everything you described had happened at Everton or Villa they'd be getting pelters on here.

Some people would be giving them pelters, usually the same people who overreact to everything on here.

[Foxxed]

We banked on Champions League football and Champions League money.

 

If we'd got that we'd be able to afford the wages and various players would want to stay longer term.

 

It was a gamble.

[Dan]

37 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Some people would be giving them pelters, usually the same people who overreact to everything on here.

I don't see how it's overreacting to point out that this is not an ideal scenario, but hey ho.

[Ian Nacho]

This is the reason why I’ve stopped reading through every thread…

[Corky]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

It’s a very weirdo notion that if we’d have been able to sign someone things would be ok and not a “mess”. As seemingly most of this is based on our current inability to buy someone, because they we’ve already spent heavily. 
 

I mean, we could have chosen not to blow £60m last summer, more than most clubs and keep a bit for this window. Would that have made much of a difference to the situation? Would people be happier because we had a new shiny toy?

I don't think we'll lose anyone we weren't expecting to. The planning for Schmeichel and Tielemans is probably underway, Soyuncu and the rest weren't seriously going to be in the plans.

 

A lot of this stems from Rodgers comments but they were six months ago. We know he has a charm and a way of getting players onside and maybe that is working? 

 

I do think the squad needs improving but so many factors we can control are available. If key players were piling out of the door then I'd get the overall negativity. We need a calm season and to reassess next year when several fringe players will definitely go.

[kingkisnorbo]

We’ve signed Rick Waller for the medical staff? 
 

Not my first choice won’t lie.