If we go down

[oxtonfox]

Brendan has made the majority of this team worse since he joined or since they were signed or started in the team:

Worse: Ndidi, Soumare, Amartey, Vardy (could be age though), Praet, Castange, Thomas, Daka, Ward, Soumare, Perez

Better: Maddison, Dewsbury Hall

About same: Tielemans, Nacho, Mendy, Barnes, 

 

Not a great manager for the long term imho. 

 

[sm1]

33 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I really think there's a possibility they could, I also think it's the only way that Rodgers does go though. He is so, so sickeningly overrated by this ownership that they would probably blame themselves over him.

It's like Top's got a version of the Stockholm Syndrome. Rodgers has openly criticized the club over transfers and Top has sat back and took it. Compare that to what happened to Scott Parker. I don't think Rodgers is leaving unless some club pay him the 10M he's getting here.

[Guest Col city fan]

7 hours ago, don_danbury said:

him taking leicester down with the quality of this side would ruin his reputation. to be even in a relegation battle is embarrassing tbh

Completely disagree. Whether he takes us down or not, won’t make a big difference to him getting his next good job in football. Whether management or punditry.

Thats how Rodgers works. It’s all planned out.

You might ‘hope’ it affects his CV, but it won’t be doing.

He’ll walk away from this job I reckon. He won’t be sacked.

[kingcarr21]

5 hours ago, oxtonfox said:

Brendan has made the majority of this team worse since he joined or since they were signed or started in the team:

Worse: Ndidi, Soumare, Amartey, Vardy (could be age though), Praet, Castange, Thomas, Daka, Ward, Soumare, Perez

Better: Maddison, Dewsbury Hall

About same: Tielemans, Nacho, Mendy, Barnes, 

 

Not a great manager for the long term imho. 

 

Soumare, so bad you named him twice

[Ely fox]

16 minutes ago, kingcarr21 said:

Soumare, so bad you named him twice

He is lazy, ambling around the pitch last night. Get rid. IF possible anyway. 

[shailen]

I don't think we can attract anyone better than Brendan so we're a little stuck at the moment. 

 

The whole issue here though was created by Brendan himself in pre season by belittling the squad saying it wasn't good enough when we had a squad that had finished in the European places consistently. That's why our start to the season was so poor imo. You can see there is a real lack of confidence in the team pretty much all season and hopefully it won't cost us a PL place!! 

[Pliskin]

We will go down, as long as Rodgers stays we’re ****ed. 

[Happy Fox]

53 minutes ago, shailen said:

I don't think we can attract anyone better than Brendan so we're a little stuck at the moment. 

 

The whole issue here though was created by Brendan himself in pre season by belittling the squad saying it wasn't good enough when we had a squad that had finished in the European places consistently. That's why our start to the season was so poor imo. You can see there is a real lack of confidence in the team pretty much all season and hopefully it won't cost us a PL place!! 

Based on former past glories? I rather have a younger inexperienced manager such as Carrick or Kompany that has hunger and drive to be better, Rodgers does not give a shite about LCFC.

[shailen]

6 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Based on former past glories? I rather have a younger inexperienced manager such as Carrick or Kompany that has hunger and drive to be better, Rodgers does not give a shite about LCFC.

No I genuinely think if we get past this season, forget about it and bring a couple of signings in, it will be totally different next year.

 

He's proven in patches this season, that we can compete with some dominant performances, so my issue is confidence. Don't think he's not trying either, but he's created a toxic atmosphere which him and the players just need a break from. He just needs to keep us up!! 

[daddylonglegs]

9 hours ago, don_danbury said:

him taking leicester down with the quality of this side would ruin his reputation. to be even in a relegation battle is embarrassing tbh

He’s barely had a bad word written about him in 4 years, despite having arguably the best squad we’ve ever had. 

He will be known as the one that won us our first FA cup, led us to a (barf) European semi final & was ultimately let down by the board.
 

Management is ultimately a wider old boys club & he’ll have plenty of people in the media singing his praises when Howe gets the sack at Newcastle for example. 
 

 

[oadby.fox]

1 hour ago, shailen said:

I don't think we can attract anyone better than Brendan so we're a little stuck at the moment. 

 

The whole issue here though was created by Brendan himself in pre season by belittling the squad saying it wasn't good enough when we had a squad that had finished in the European places consistently. That's why our start to the season was so poor imo. You can see there is a real lack of confidence in the team pretty much all season and hopefully it won't cost us a PL place!! 

The problem with this statement is that the more you keep saying it, the more likely it’ll come true. And for the vast majority of his tenure, it definitely hasn’t been true - heck, even now, a caretaker manager would probably get more out of this team.

 

People were rightfully beginning to question Rodgers after the second collapse in the league and were calling for his head the following season. At the time, others were saying the same thing and assuming that performances couldn’t get any worse. But you can’t argue that other clubs haven’t made half decent appointments in that time or appointments that would at least improve us. The problem is that the longer he stays, the less attractive prospect we are. He’s built a narrative that the club is on a downwards trajectory. If we sacked him after the Forest FA cup defeat, it would’ve sent a clear message that he was underachieving and that the club is aspiring to do better after a blip in form. Instead, we’ve accepted the low standards and sub par performances as somewhat inevitable. 
 

The club is digging itself a bigger and bigger hole. The longer he’s here, the lower expectations drop and the more valuable players are happy to run their contracts down. Other players like Ndidi or Soyuncu have gone from being players who would walk into most decent teams in Europe to players who would struggle to get a game at a League 2 side. Then you have the likes of Iheanacho who has been criminally misused during Rodgers’ tenure. This is before we even begin to look at the money burnt on Perez, Vestergaard, Bertrand, Daka, Soumare despite the fact “he’s not been backed” etc., and to the horrendous injury record and mismanagement of players. He’s honestly taking the club apart brick by brick.

[SkidsFox]

Big problem with going down is a batch of our better players will be signed up by other clubs. We already know Youri and Madders are probably gone. We'll also lose Iheanacho, Barnes, KDH and Tete. We'll be dependent on youth players avoiding injury and stepping up, and players like Soumare and Daka coming good. Not a great outlook.

Edited 1 March 2023 by SkidsFox

[shailen]

2 hours ago, oadby.fox said:

The problem with this statement is that the more you keep saying it, the more likely it’ll come true. And for the vast majority of his tenure, it definitely hasn’t been true - heck, even now, a caretaker manager would probably get more out of this team.

 

People were rightfully beginning to question Rodgers after the second collapse in the league and were calling for his head the following season. At the time, others were saying the same thing and assuming that performances couldn’t get any worse. But you can’t argue that other clubs haven’t made half decent appointments in that time or appointments that would at least improve us. The problem is that the longer he stays, the less attractive prospect we are. He’s built a narrative that the club is on a downwards trajectory. If we sacked him after the Forest FA cup defeat, it would’ve sent a clear message that he was underachieving and that the club is aspiring to do better after a blip in form. Instead, we’ve accepted the low standards and sub par performances as somewhat inevitable. 
 

The club is digging itself a bigger and bigger hole. The longer he’s here, the lower expectations drop and the more valuable players are happy to run their contracts down. Other players like Ndidi or Soyuncu have gone from being players who would walk into most decent teams in Europe to players who would struggle to get a game at a League 2 side. Then you have the likes of Iheanacho who has been criminally misused during Rodgers’ tenure. This is before we even begin to look at the money burnt on Perez, Vestergaard, Bertrand, Daka, Soumare despite the fact “he’s not been backed” etc., and to the horrendous injury record and mismanagement of players. He’s honestly taking the club apart brick by brick.

The full three seasons he's been in charge, only West Ham have finished above us in the league, bar the 'big six' clubs. We've also won the FA cup in that time too. 

 

I do agree with the fact that our problems to some degree have been self inflicted by him. Confidence was shot for the first 8 games or so, due to him basically saying squad is not good enough. 

 

Where we currently are is an underachievement, but to what extent have we overachieved before? Are we a top 10 club or do people think we should be top 6? I'm not saying he hasn't got things wrong but who is to say we'll do better with someone else then what he has already achieved?

[reynard]

11 hours ago, oxtonfox said:

Brendan has made the majority of this team worse since he joined or since they were signed or started in the team:

Worse: Ndidi, Soumare, Amartey, Vardy (could be age though), Praet, Castange, Thomas, Daka, Ward, Soumare, Perez

Better: Maddison, Dewsbury Hall

About same: Tielemans, Nacho, Mendy, Barnes, 

 

Not a great manager for the long term imho. 

 

This, even more than the results, condemns him in my mind. There are simply no players improving. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

5 hours ago, shailen said:

I don't think we can attract anyone better than Brendan so we're a little stuck at the moment. 

 

The whole issue here though was created by Brendan himself in pre season by belittling the squad saying it wasn't good enough when we had a squad that had finished in the European places consistently. That's why our start to the season was so poor imo. You can see there is a real lack of confidence in the team pretty much all season and hopefully it won't cost us a PL place!! 

Neil Warnock would get this group playing better than we currently are, Rodgers is a manager who has lost 14 of 24 league games. How could we possibly get anyone worse?!

 

47 minutes ago, shailen said:

Where we currently are is an underachievement, but to what extent have we overachieved before? Are we a top 10 club or do people think we should be top 6? I'm not saying he hasn't got things wrong but who is to say we'll do better with someone else then what he has already achieved?

Forgot the past though, we're talking about the past 18 months, the first 2 years he was here he did great, but we'll never see those days again whilst he's in charge.

Edited 1 March 2023 by Leicester_Loyal

[CosbehFox]

He’d walk and then be on a PR campaign. 

[Fox92]

11 hours ago, oxtonfox said:

Brendan has made the majority of this team worse since he joined or since they were signed or started in the team:

Worse: Ndidi, Soumare, Amartey, Vardy (could be age though), Praet, Castange, Thomas, Daka, Ward, Soumare, Perez

Better: Maddison, Dewsbury Hall

About same: Tielemans, Nacho, Mendy, Barnes, 

 

Not a great manager for the long term imho. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, reynard said:

This, even more than the results, condemns him in my mind. There are simply no players improving. 

Please can we stop this. Player improvement is a two way thing. Plus, some of these players are just not any good.

 

I do think Ndidi and Castagne have got worse but I see absoloute nothing in Soumare, Amartey, Thomas, Daka or Ward and these players should be nowhere near a club that wants to try and consistently get into Europe.

[filbertway]

Not a chance the Weasel walks and there's absolutely no evidence thus far to indicate that it'd even cross Tops' mind.

[Paninistickers]

2 hours ago, SkidsFox said:

Big problem with going down is a batch of our better players will be signed up by other clubs. We already know Youri and Madders are probably gone. We'll also lose Iheanacho, Barnes, KDH and Tete. We'll be dependent on youth players avoiding injury and stepping up, and players like Soumare and Daka coming good. Not a great outlook.

If we go down, it'll be an absolute fire sale. We have (recklessly imo) already banked the 2 years of parachute payments. 

 

The fringe players who with a bit of negotiation under normal circumstances we'd get some money for, say 10m for Bundesliha for Daka, 5m from ligue 1 for Soumare, even 1m from Turkey for Vestergaard....will all have to be shipped out quickly for free. 

 

The value items like Barnes or Kels, Faes, Kristensen, Souttar, Castagne even KDH will be sold at huge discounts. 

 

We'll be left literally with Ward and Luke Thomas, both  wouldn't find a club even if we paid a team to take them 

 

I'm.naive enough to think Vards might hang in there on a reduced deal. But sadly, the GOAT looks to be nearing his end anyways 

 

 

 

 

[dylanlegend]

14 hours ago, FOXSE said:

If we go down, we will struggle against decent championship teams....

 

 

 

We do need investment in the team but I wouldn’t trust Brendan to sign a player for my sons under 8 team, let alone another player for Leicester 
 

He’s spent (wasted) plenty of money since he’s been here and look at the squad we have now 

[dylanlegend]

1 hour ago, shailen said:

The full three seasons he's been in charge, only West Ham have finished above us in the league, bar the 'big six' clubs. We've also won the FA cup in that time too. 

 

I do agree with the fact that our problems to some degree have been self inflicted by him. Confidence was shot for the first 8 games or so, due to him basically saying squad is not good enough. 

 

Where we currently are is an underachievement, but to what extent have we overachieved before? Are we a top 10 club or do people think we should be top 6? I'm not saying he hasn't got things wrong but who is to say we'll do better with someone else then what he has already achieved?

Finances don’t lie.

 

With regards to playing squad we have the 7th highest paid squad (although not

sure If I believe that)

 

We have the 4th highest paid manager in the league

 

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/premier-league-wage-bill-ranking-arsenal-newcastle-man-utd-city-liverpool/

 

[don_danbury]

6 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Completely disagree. Whether he takes us down or not, won’t make a big difference to him getting his next good job in football. Whether management or punditry.

Thats how Rodgers works. It’s all planned out.

You might ‘hope’ it affects his CV, but it won’t be doing.

He’ll walk away from this job I reckon. He won’t be sacked.

what big job would he get next? cant see any of the top 6 going for him

[Sol thewall Bamba]

He'd be off, he's far to arrogant to be managing in the second tier. Wouldn't be surprised if he walked early so it technically wasn't on his CV.

[oxtonfox]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

 

Please can we stop this. Player improvement is a two way thing. Plus, some of these players are just not any good.

 

I do think Ndidi and Castagne have got worse but I see absoloute nothing in Soumare, Amartey, Thomas, Daka or Ward and these players should be nowhere near a club that wants to try and consistently get into Europe.

This is a key point. Rodgers is praised especially in national media as a manager who “improves players and makes them better”. I can’t see the evidence for this. Yes it’s down to players themselves but it’s also their attitude that a decent manager would galvanise. He has failed to do this also. 

[oxtonfox]

3 hours ago, SkidsFox said:

Big problem with going down is a batch of our better players will be signed up by other clubs. We already know Youri and Madders are probably gone. We'll also lose Iheanacho, Barnes, KDH and Tete. We'll be dependent on youth players avoiding injury and stepping up, and players like Soumare and Daka coming good. Not a great outlook.

I can see KDH getting the captaincy and leading us in the championship. The captaincy armband is pinged about like an elastic band. There’s little or no leadership qualities with possible exception of James M. in the players and that’s part of a big problem we have. 

The manager mentions “fight” a lot both pre and post match interviews but we’re a club near the bottom of that league.