What percentage of blame do you apply to those responsible for our demise?

[Grebfromgrebland]

The buck ultimately stops with the board.

 

You can't blame the manager, any manager will stay in until pushed.

 

We could've insisted that we kept our infrastructure in place re: scouting, recruitment policy, medical teams etc but we didn't.

 

We were also too weak with players contracts and should've been brave enough to sell on anyone who won't sign an extension.

 

All this is the board and their lack of conviction that had lead us here.

[sacreblueits442]

15 minutes ago, Royston. said:

Top is to blame.

 

He has enabled shït to sink all the way through from Top to bottom and deservedly the club is getting relegated and heading towards financial meltdown.

 

...the club does not deserve this, but Khun Top is culpable!!!

[Chelmofox]

32 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I might be wrong but pretty sure he was or still is DOF at Leuven too. It's just staggering.

Mind boggling indeed. Surely DOF is a role where you should by continuously trying to push the boundaries of the whole organisation. Football doesn't stand still, and you need to be leveraging everything at your disposal to find the edge, from the usage of technology to networks of talent. The academy itself is something that should be taking up a massive percentage of your time. How can you do that if you are messing around with horses all day.

 

Becoming apparent that Top doesn't know how to run a business.

[AyewJoking]

1 hour ago, eblair said:

I think Top is actually fairly low down on the percentages, KP have continued to heap loads of investment into the club (see wage bill etc.)

 

His loyalty to people who have served us well is admirable. The contempt I have for Rudkin handing out 100k a week contracts like sweets is very high

 

Order of blame for me:

 

Rudkin 

Brendan

Players (they are all pathetic)
Top

 

It's loyalty via burying his head in the sand.

No owner worth their salt allows poisonous employees to grind the business down.

 

Players are drones, with the right leadership they will thrive.

With toxic leadership...look at the league table

[AyewJoking]

10 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...the club does not deserve this, but Khun Top is culpable!!!

They do deserve it. I know Forest, Leeds and Everton are horrible cünts but they don't deserve to be relegated instead of a shambles like Leicester.

[sacreblueits442]

Just now, Royston. said:

They do deserve it. I know Forest, Leeds and Everton are horrible cünts but they don't deserve to be relegated instead of a shambles like Leicester.

..the club is, ourselves!!!

[Walkerfox]

The correct answer is that Top is ultimately responsible, although in some cases, this is indirect. 
 

Rodgers plays a big part, but he shouldn’t have been here because Top didn’t sack him 18 months ago. 
 

Rudkin has messed up player contracts to the point where we’ve got most of the squad not caring about going down because it doesn’t affect them at all. Again, he shouldn’t be here, Top should have sacked him. 
 

I’m not sure who’s been responsible for transfers but yet again, Top employs them (or at least employs the people that employed them). 
 

Everything to do with our relegation eventually leads to Top not running the club properly. He has left responsibilities to incompetent people and has refused to correct any mistakes. In fact, he hasn’t corrected anything. 

[AyewJoking]

The club is run by Top who has let it get to this mess therefore it deserves to finish bottom 3 and get relegated.

 

It's not "fair" on fans who may believe they are part of the club but in reality the club is just a part of them.

[CyprusFox]

1 hour ago, eblair said:

I think Top is actually fairly low down on the percentages, KP have continued to heap loads of investment into the club (see wage bill etc.)

 

His loyalty to people who have served us well is admirable. The contempt I have for Rudkin handing out 100k a week contracts like sweets is very high

 

Order of blame for me:

 

Rudkin 

Brendan

Players (they are all pathetic)
Top

 

The buck stops with Top.  He put that Muppet Rudkin in charge and left him to fcuk the club up. Boy doing a man's job

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

14 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...cannot agree that Rudkin gave Rodgers free rein!!!

If anything Khun Top would have sanctioned Rodger's influence over the club, and Rudkin would not have had a say in the matter. Rodgers and Rudkin were not exactly bosom buddies, there was animosity between the two.

You seem to have the inside track here!!!!!!!!

[trooky]

Rodgers 40% to blame for tactics, team selection, poor management of certain players.

 

Board and Top 60% to blame for the financial mess with wages, allowing Rodgers to think he was going to get a squad refresh last summer who then ostracized certain players on the back of it, allowing Rodgers too much control and not sacking him earlier in the season and wasting the money on Seagrave and overstretching our finances.

 

[Stuntman_Mike]

Everyone going in on Top now it's looking extremely likely we'll drop, but it was disrespectful to say anything negative about him before, even though this relegation has been coming since August 

 

Let's not pretend our fans haven't played a small part in this demise too, however much people don't want to hear it. If there was more push for change earlier we would've gave ourselves a better chance.

(I appreciate Top shouldn't be running a club based on fan reaction and he should take most of the blame)

[Nolucklcfc]

Board and Rogers massively but these players are an absolute disgrace. We all know they are good enough, they’ve  just downed tools. Completely tarnished any legacy they had from the fa cup win. Never forgive them for this, never. 

[Ric Flair]

58 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

Everyone going in on Top now it's looking extremely likely we'll drop, but it was disrespectful to say anything negative about him before, even though this relegation has been coming since August 

 

Let's not pretend our fans haven't played a small part in this demise too, however much people don't want to hear it. If there was more push for change earlier we would've gave ourselves a better chance.

(I appreciate Top shouldn't be running a club based on fan reaction and he should take most of the blame)

Only thing I will say on the fans and I've had a pop at those seemingly ignorant for far too long, is the fanbase shouldn't be the ones having to prompt the board and owner when failure is smacking us in the face.

 

The fans didn't get rid of Ranieri, or Shakespeare or even Puel to an extent. Rodgers only went because they thought it would deflect the heat, they'd never planned for it which is what scares me the most in all of this. 

 

We've barely anyone at the club who are decision makers that know football and thr one who has been involved to a degree in Rudkin seems to have 3 full time jobs and and likely a yes man.

[oxford blue]

I am surprised very little blame is put onto the players. Even if collectively they are not good enough to stay in the division (and I think they are even given injuries), there is no reason why it appears they play 'like they don't care' borrowing words from another thread (first half against Bournemouth at home a prime example). Having said that there was clearly a lack of communication between Rodgers and board during last close season; Rodgers identifies players (and likely some contact was made) he wants at the club, but there are zero funds available (Lookman would have cost a relative pittance but there was no money.) Rodgers was clearly annoyed as was clear from his  subsequent press conferences and for a period it appeared to me he had lost drive and enthusiasm.

 

Perhaps a long way to suggest all are as much to blame for what has been a disastrous season. 

[Ian Nacho]

Rodgers 50%
Club 40%
Players 10%

[funkyrobot]

Ultimately the book stops with Top. He’s allowed weak management at all aspects of the club, from the first team, through players sales, recruitment and retention, player fitness and injury management, u23’s and youth progression. It’s been an absolute shambles for 2 years, every bit as bad as the mess at Southampton. Rodgers is massively responsible for many parts of the failure but he was only in his role for so long and given so much autonomy because Top was in charge.
 

The wage situation in particular has really been a massive error by Top and the club, paying players way over the odds, rewarding injury and failure and bringing us into FFP territory. The fact that bang average Jack Harrison was offered £100k a week shows us our owner and his team have learned nothing. The high wages have prevented us selling as no team could match the wages our players had and prevented us buying players as FFP now specifically looks at players wages as a percentage of income. The massive loss of income that relegation will bring shows that the high wages and Top’s sudden belligerent approach to trying to suddenly achieve FFP has been an absolute false economy. Once relegation is confirmed, Top and his management team need to communicate with the fans to outline what they are planning to do to stabilise the club and turn this absolute mess around, either by selling or learning from their very expensive mistakes. 

[Lesterlad]

Rodgers said his squad wasn’t good enough. Yet he did his very best to ruin the team he had. 
Iverson can be a quality keeper. 
Castagne Soyunchu Ricardo Justin Faes Kristinson. All good enough. Yes 2 have been injured. 
maddison quality player will leave for £50 million Tielemans will leave on a free yet is quality.  Mendy and Praet really good players. Ndidi confidence nit there but superb when on song. Barnes will leave for £40-50 million. Vardy former golden boot winner. Nacho natural scorer. Daka could be top class if trained properly. 
Perez Amartey Evans Thomas Albrighton all decent squad players if you need

them for odd game. 
mom we didn’t freshen squad in summer but the players above all good enough for at least top 8 finish if managed and trained properly. So Rodgers really was to blame 

[justfoxes]

The blame has to fall at the feet of Rudkin the board & Top for not investing in the playing squad by allowing players to run down their contracts plus allowing a substandard manager to take the club into Oblivion by not sacking his ass any sooner & Especially mostly Rodgers his narcissistic attitude his blaming culture, that’s why this club is in this current Schitt show relegation fight !

[I blame Wellens]

40% Rodgers

30% players 

20% Top, Susan, Ruskin 

9% the drum, clappers, goal music

1% me for not getting behind the team when they needed me .

[I blame Wellens]

And Wellens

[SuperMike]

100%......... The Gucci Goblin

[don_danbury]

50 rodgers 50 the owners 

[The Year Of The Fox]

https://twitter.com/BoozerArab/status/1657420554943512578

[Chrysalis]

If you think about the perfect storm for our title, this is kind of the other way.

 

Its not all down to one person, but a combination of things going wrong at the same time, has led to what we seeing now.

 

So for me its a combination of the following.

 

Financial crisis following CL gamble not paying off, crippling us last summer and will be the same this summer. - perhaps on whelan and top.

Mismanagement of players - Rodgers

Tactical errors at key moments in games where we were on track for a point or three. - Rodgers

Letting Kasper go. Probably combination of all three, - Rodgers Top and Whelan.

Move to Seagrave which I think has contributed to regression of team. - Top and Whelan.
Delayed sacking of Rodgers. - Top

Poor fitness. - Rodgers and fitness coaches.
Poor replacement for some squad losses.  Rudkin, Scouts, and whoever let our successful scouts, and previous head of recruitments go.

If you think about the sacking e.g. Rodgers tended to start on fire, and that good started lasted a big chunk of both the 5th place seasons, but once a bad run started he couldnt get out of it without a summer break.  So that alone should have been a warning sign.

Edited 14 May 2023 by Chrysalis