What percentage of blame do you apply to those responsible for our demise?

[eblair]

I think Top is actually fairly low down on the percentages, KP have continued to heap loads of investment into the club (see wage bill etc.)

 

His loyalty to people who have served us well is admirable. The contempt I have for Rudkin handing out 100k a week contracts like sweets is very high

 

Order of blame for me:

 

Rudkin 

Brendan

Players (they are all pathetic)
Top

 

[Pliskin]

17 minutes ago, binic16 said:

99% Bodgers 1% Top.Should have got rid after 2nd failed top 4 finish.All this crap about playing above our station is ridiculous we had a lot of very good players,and then Bodgers proceeded to suck   the confidence out of them ,when he started belittling us that was the end for me.

Top carries more of the can than Rodgers. He decided not to invest and ultimately it’s snowballed into today. He can’t run a bath let alone a football club and has surrounded himself with ****ing morons. 
 

He needs to either sack everyone, and invest. Or just sell up to someone willing to invest. 

[foxinsocks]

THis is down to Top.  IT was clear that over the last two years Rodgers was failing. Failing to address issues and failing to improve any player.  The possession football tactics were dier (we coundn't  score and would always make a mistake or two...).  Then Rodges started blaming others - his PR has worked a treat - those who have not sat thru this (eg. Sutton and savage) trot out Rodgers' record as an elite manager.  (I would only wish him on spurs - I would want other clubs off).  
So this situation is the results of Rodgers  inability....  but Top let him do it and acted too late - if Top has the wrong advisors then that his his fault too.  Now Top must redeem himself or he will be know as the guy who trashed his father's legacy.

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, eblair said:

I think Top is actually fairly low down on the percentages, KP have continued to heap loads of investment into the club (see wage bill etc.)

 

His loyalty to people who have served us well is admirable. The contempt I have for Rudkin handing out 100k a week contracts like sweets is very high

 

Order of blame for me:

 

Rudkin 

Brendan

Players (they are all pathetic)
Top

 

How are KP paying LCFC salaries ? 

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, JimmyC74 said:

Interesting article in the Telegraph today by Sam Wallace in which he says Rudders has a role in Top’s horse racing business.

 

 

Others see it differently and that Rudkin is understood to play a key part in the decisions on acquisitions of horses and with which trainers they are placed. KPR has around 100 horses with different trainers, and has been one of the top ten racing operations in Britain at times, perhaps even bigger.

 

You can make your own jokes about this if true ……🤪fcuk sake

So is it fair to say the Top doesn't view the DOF role as a full time role? A culture of leadership where everyone has fingers in loads of pies tends to end up with nobody being able to specialise in anything or focus enough energies on the things that matter. Obviously i expect Top to have fingers in lots of things, but i expect the DOF to be focused on the job at hand.

[Livid]

60% Rodgers 40% Everyone else.

 

I’ve always felt we were one poor managerial appointment from this situation. I never expected Rodgers to be the one but there you go. We all know what he has been like that’s been covered enough in this thread already. 
 

We seemed to change tact on what was working (yes we bought one or two duds) buying up and coming talent, bringing them on, selling them on. We sold Fofana and went for Vestegard. 
 

FFP constraints, Covid, poor signings, injuries, too much faith put in Rodgers, no plan B, excessive player contracts, it’s been a perfect storm of poor management , incompetence and misfortune. 
 

I’m despondent but very little of the current position we are in is down to pure bad luck. We deserve to be where we are. 

[Oldblueyes]

Sorry but the buck only stops in one place. He is responsible for all the management failings of the others so must carry the can.

[JimmyC74]

16 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

They won’t say a ****ing thing. Top will come out with some bollocks about us trying and how it’s been a hard season….. even pre Liverpool, Barnes was speaking about getting points, there was barely an emotion, they don’t give a shit.

 

If the worst happens and we go down, and it’s without a fight, I do not want to see any clapping or cheering. I’ve never been for booing, but the club need to understand that this is unacceptable. We’ve been badly let down, and it’s frankly the most pathetic demise in football history.

100% agree 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

2 minutes ago, Livid said:

We sold Fofana and went for Vestegard. 

 We lost Fofana to a bad injury and went for Vestergaard. We sold Fofana and went for Faes.

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So is it fair to say the Top doesn't view the DOF role as a full time role? A culture of leadership where everyone has fingers in loads of pies tends to end up with nobody being able to specialise in anything or focus enough energies on the things that matter. Obviously i expect Top to have fingers in lots of things, but i expect the DOF to be focused on the job at hand.

I might be wrong but pretty sure he was or still is DOF at Leuven too. It's just staggering.

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, Livid said:

60% Rodgers 40% Everyone else.

 

I’ve always felt we were one poor managerial appointment from this situation. I never expected Rodgers to be the one but there you go. We all know what he has been like that’s been covered enough in this thread already. 
 

We seemed to change tact on what was working (yes we bought one or two duds) buying up and coming talent, bringing them on, selling them on. We sold Fofana and went for Vestegard. 
 

FFP constraints, Covid, poor signings, injuries, too much faith put in Rodgers, no plan B, excessive player contracts, it’s been a perfect storm of poor management , incompetence and misfortune. 
 

I’m despondent but very little of the current position we are in is down to pure bad luck. We deserve to be where we are. 

Everyone knew historically Rodgers has a short success cycle, so this management failure could and should have been theorised, that’s a board level failure.

[Lesterlad]

Yes Top and the Board take some of the blame. However Rodgers has to take the vast majority of blame. He alone picked the team. He picked Ward over Iverson. Amartey over Soyunchu. He left Mendy out of premier league squad. Sent Praet to Italy on loan. Played Vardy in a system that couldn’t work. Played players out of position. Changed the team to suit the opposition. Poor substitutions. The man was and is a fraud yet will get a big job in the summer. 
 

Top should have acted sooner his dad would have. However Sue Whelan and Rudkin should have done their jobs better. 

[JimmyC74]

9 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So is it fair to say the Top doesn't view the DOF role as a full time role? A culture of leadership where everyone has fingers in loads of pies tends to end up with nobody being able to specialise in anything or focus enough energies on the things that matter. Obviously i expect Top to have fingers in lots of things, but i expect the DOF to be focused on the job at hand.

I would say our DofF ain’t got the time to be distracted by anything outside of the football operation - especially when you see the results of the youth / u-18s / u-23’s and shit show that has been our season. 

Maybe a nice bloke, may know a lot about the gee gees but he ain’t a top DofF and should be replaced

 

[sacreblueits442]

14 minutes ago, eblair said:

I think Top is actually fairly low down on the percentages, KP have continued to heap loads of investment into the club (see wage bill etc.)

 

His loyalty to people who have served us well is admirable. The contempt I have for Rudkin handing out 100k a week contracts like sweets is very high

 

Order of blame for me:

 

Rudkin 

Brendan

Players (they are all pathetic)
Top

 

...at any time, Khun Top could have stopped this in its track!!!

  If Rudkin's stewardship was the problem, then remove him from his position. Rodgers was the keystone which secured all our problems and we continued to keep him locked firmly in place.

 Blind loyalty is not a virtue, it is biased and can never be used in any kind of business, it will only lead to one thing, and it is this!!

[suffolk fox]

    100 per cent the board for allowing this to happen.  Not sacking Rogers early enough, not investing in the team in the Summer, allowing Schmeichel to leave.  Rudkin should definitely go.

[BigGibbo]

The buck stops at the Top.

 

The direction Rodgers was taking us was beyond obvious for over 18 months.

[Tuna]

10 minutes ago, BigGibbo said:

The buck stops at the Top.

 

The direction Rodgers was taking us was beyond obvious for over 18 months.

I don't think it was obvious for that long, we'd just won the FA Cup.

But it was abundantly obvious after the first 6 games of this season, and even more obvious by the time we lost to Blackburn in the cup and then at Southampton in the league.

 

So frustrating we left it so late to sack Rodgers.

Edited 14 May 2023 by Tuna

[Tuna]

18 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I might be wrong but pretty sure he was or still is DOF at Leuven too. It's just staggering.

There was apparantly a technical director there until summer 22 but appears to have left.

[AyewJoking]

Top is to blame.

 

He has enabled shït to sink all the way through from Top to bottom and deservedly the club is getting relegated and heading towards financial meltdown.

 

[Aus Fox]

Rodgers for me cannot take the the majority of the blame simply because he told everyone after the Forest game and again repeatedly this squad wasn’t good enough.

At that time the board had two simple choice A) back Rodgers and shift the deadwood and sign the players we needed or B) Sack Rodgers and get someone in who could get a tune out of this squad.

They did neither, they decided to keep BR and not back him and give him the rebuild he had said we needed and the whole world could see we needed. 
They sat on their arse and did nothing - Top, Rudkin and Whelan this is on you!

[BigGibbo]

Just now, Tuna said:

I don't think it was obvious for that long, we'd just won the FA Cup.

But it was abundantly obvious after the first 6 games of this season, and even more obvious by the time we lost to Blackburn in the cup and then at Southampton in the league.

The FA Cup was just beautiful masking tape. We had been sliding since the second time we threw away 4th place in the league and the malaise had clearly already set in.

 

Plenty of people, me included, can say this without the benefit of hindsight as we said it at the time. I didn't go to the stadium for the last 18 months of Rodgers' tenure purely because he was still there.

[l444ry]

80% Rodgers 20% Board. Although Top should have moved Rodgers on earlier, it is still the Bullshitter who turned the team into a bunch of spineless surrender monkeys which has then dragged Top and his crew into question. And if he wasn't so money orientated he could have easily walked away if he wasn't happy with things.

Edited 14 May 2023 by l444ry

[eblair]

40 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

How are KP paying LCFC salaries ? 

well if LCFC have got massive losses which they do, and the owner converted the debt into equity - there you go

 

I am not saying converting debt into equity was a great thing for club, but recognises that KP are still ones funding us. I know we have other loans with Macquarie etc.; but our losses our supported by KP and the owner. 

 

Just checked the Financial Statements and the going concern note says as much. 'Ultimate parent holding company will provide further funding where necessary for next 18 months'  

[sacreblueits442]

25 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Top carries more of the can than Rodgers. He decided not to invest and ultimately it’s snowballed into today. He can’t run a bath let alone a football club and has surrounded himself with ****ing morons. 
 

He needs to either sack everyone, and invest. Or just sell up to someone willing to invest. 

.. I  really do not look for money to be pumped in to save us!!!

  I know this is a money led business and clubs at the top have more than others. 

  I am not mad that no funds were available at the start of the season, and the level that has been pumped in, does not even match some clubs which have come up from the Championship. My disappointment  is failing to act when it was obvious what was going on with (Rodgers's antics  in interviews and his inability to stop the slide down the table) and the consequences for that, down the line.

  The club states that there is a plan for sustainability, and I  have bought into this, and see that it will not be overnight, that we get everything in place.

   A robust fiscal plan can get us to where we need to go, but what it cannot sustain is negligence in any form. We would not be in this situation had we acted when we should have, the longterm plan is good, we just cannot introduce personal problems and poor individual attitudes to get where we wish to be.

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, eblair said:

well if LCFC have got massive losses which they do, and the owner converted the debt into equity - there you go

 

I am not saying converting debt into equity was a great thing for club, but recognises that KP are still ones funding us. I know we have other loans with Macquarie etc.; but our losses our supported by KP and the owner. 

 

Just checked the Financial Statements and the going concern note says as much. 'Ultimate parent holding company will provide further funding where necessary for next 18 months'  

Is part of that not linked to financial decision making elsewhere ? This isn’t a knight in shining armour scenario (it use to be).