Tielemans to villa

[JimJams]

Again, what was the risk? When you risk something you're in a position where you might lose out. He's not lost out at all and wouldn't have either way. If we'd stayed up he will have had the option to re-sign for us. There was no risk at all.

[Foxes1]

Anyone know why Tielemans isn't playing for the worldXI in the soccer aid game tonight he would do well with his walking style of football.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

9 minutes ago, Foxes1 said:

Anyone know why Tielemans isn't playing for the worldXI in the soccer aid game tonight he would do well with his walking style of football.

Wanted a bit of mobility in there so went for 39 year old Darren Fletcher 

[sm1]

2 hours ago, MrsJohnMurphy said:

I'm thankful we did spend the 40 million, how much would you spend for an FA Cup?

No doubt Youri was a key contributor with his wonder strike, but dont forget Kaspers wonder save that was equally important, or Nacho's goals which fired us to the final. It was a team effort. 

[UTV90]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Comparing the 2 clubs situations in regards to leagues right now your correct it’s not a sideways moves because they are in the premiership and we now championship.

 

but I believe the comment comes from his intention to play champions league football so he believed he was good enough to play for the top 4 (2) in any European league but now sits at Villa who finished 7th and whilst in Europe it’s the cup created to appease us smaller clubs whilst the rich get richer.

 

If we had remained in the Premiership we would be grouped in the same bracket as Villa, as in 1 of those selection of clubs that will strive for being best of the rest.

You mention Villa are ambitious but it’s a club that haven’t finished in the top 10 in the previous 8 seasons with a relegation of their own and 3 seasons in the championship in that time, it’s a club that has been knocked out of the FA cup in the 3rd round for the past 7 seasons, this year by a 2nd division side whilst playing at home, so have they started to be ambitious from the 9th January 23?
So not sure other than the now differing leagues puts them “light years” ahead of us, if the gulf in leagues is light years then ok they are light years ahead of us but other than that looking at what they are & have been in the previous 9 season then they are of similar size to us and therefore would be seen as a sideways step 🤷‍♂️ 

I think we started being ambitious the moment the new owners bought the club the 5 year plan was o be playing in Europe thats a team from 10th in championship looking unlikely to be promoted to a team qualifying for Europe in 4 years looks pretty ambitious to me.  On top of that we’ve done it sustainably without bending backwards when the scum 6 come knocking for one of our players yes we sold Grealish but we’ve secured the likes of Martinez, Luiz to long term contracts. We’ve built one of the best academies in the country over the past 4 years also established a global brand similar to the City football group ( V Sports) purchasing Victoria Sc a top division Portuguese team and ZED FC in  Egypt on top of that our owners are pushing on with a bid to establish a MLS team Las Vegas Villans so yes we are a very ambitious club.

[RumbleFox]

5 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

No way a sideways step. European football and in the premier league with a massive salary increase and signing on fee. 

 

It's a step up in every single way.

A sideways step from where we were two years ago. Not from now. That’s the whole point of my original post. It’s definitely a step up from where we are now. That’s not even up for debate. But it’s a sideways step from where we were when he refused his new contract. 

Edited 11 June 2023 by RumbleFox

[Fox 4 Life]

Close the thread and move on 

[RumbleFox]

4 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm really not sure how it's sideways?? You can't use the argument that from 18 months ago when he turned out contract down, it's the here and now. Villa are massively ambitious, have a terrific manager and squad and will be competing in the top half of the prem, whilst we are manageress, relegated and our squad depleted. It's just sour grapes. We have to face it that we are a championship club and Villa are light years ahead right now 

Yes it is an upwards step. I genuinely can’t believe people can’t understand the concept. Moving from us to villa right now is an upwards step, 100%. I say that in my original post which you seem to have ignored. The point is, he wanted to move upwards from where he was two years ago. That’s why he didn’t sign a contract. He wanted champions league football. From that point of view it’s a sideways step from where he was two years ago to where he is now. But yes, of course right now it’s an upwards step and I’ve never said it’s not. 

[The_77]

All the talk of a fall from grace is based on conjecture about what Youri himself is actually after.
 

There were no concrete links or bids from Champions League clubs, just articles and tweets from insiders being fed by Youri’s agent who, let’s face it, is probably a bit out of his depth when it comes to orchestrating high-profile transfers (look at his list of players).
 

Villa may not give Tielemans the Champions League football that everyone else suggested he was after but does offer him the opportunity to keep his family settled. The priorities of Tielemans (who has said he prefers living in Leicestershire over Monaco and whose biggest vice appears to be British baked beans) might be different from an agent who was looking to drum up interest in the only possible blockbuster move his clientele could offer. 
 

[Muzzy_no7]

Emery demands a very high work rate from his players. 
 

Struggling to see him starting ahead of Kamara, Mcginn, Ramsay or Douglas Luiz.

 

Suspect he’ll get mor Game time in Europe. 

[sacreblueits442]

27 minutes ago, UTV90 said:

I think we started being ambitious the moment the new owners bought the club the 5 year plan was o be playing in Europe thats a team from 10th in championship looking unlikely to be promoted to a team qualifying for Europe in 4 years looks pretty ambitious to me.  On top of that we’ve done it sustainably without bending backwards when the scum 6 come knocking for one of our players yes we sold Grealish but we’ve secured the likes of Martinez, Luiz to long term contracts. We’ve built one of the best academies in the country over the past 4 years also established a global brand similar to the City football group ( V Sports) purchasing Victoria Sc a top division Portuguese team and ZED FC in  Egypt on top of that our owners are pushing on with a bid to establish a MLS team Las Vegas Villans so yes we are a very ambitious club.

...pretty much our owner's plans when they took over!!!

There is nothing wrong in setting ambitious goals, if memory serves me right our owners had aimed for the top 4 in four years when they took over. At least it showed that they were ambitious.

  We need to set a new goal today and look to make it happen.

[FoxyJim1987]

4 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Comparing the 2 clubs situations in regards to leagues right now your correct it’s not a sideways moves because they are in the premiership and we now championship.

 

but I believe the comment comes from his intention to play champions league football so he believed he was good enough to play for the top 4 (2) in any European league but now sits at Villa who finished 7th and whilst in Europe it’s the cup created to appease us smaller clubs whilst the rich get richer.

 

If we had remained in the Premiership we would be grouped in the same bracket as Villa, as in 1 of those selection of clubs that will strive for being best of the rest.

You mention Villa are ambitious but it’s a club that haven’t finished in the top 10 in the previous 8 seasons with a relegation of their own and 3 seasons in the championship in that time, it’s a club that has been knocked out of the FA cup in the 3rd round for the past 7 seasons, this year by a 2nd division side whilst playing at home, so have they started to be ambitious from the 9th January 23?
So not sure other than the now differing leagues puts them “light years” ahead of us, if the gulf in leagues is light years then ok they are light years ahead of us but other than that looking at what they are & have been in the previous 9 season then they are of similar size to us and therefore would be seen as a sideways step 🤷‍♂️ 

Exactly my point though, if you read my post, I said that 6 months is like a lifetime in football. Football changes very very quickly and so does perception. Villa yes since Gerrard, are big spending, ambitious and since Emery are clearly a force. They will continue to grow. The club's have gone in complete opposite directions and I'm not surprised he's gone there.

[DoveValleyFox]

10 hours ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

I’d like to see Soumare in a midfield that can actually run, he’s looked half decent when he has someone like KDH in there. Putting him in there with Tielemans and Ndidi was a disaster because he’s arguably the more mobile of the three- and that’s still not great. Can’t say I’ve thought he looked half assed on the run in, more just physically limited because of those around him. Either way I doubt he will be here next season.

There have been many games where Soumare showed little effort in keeping up with the pace of the game going on around him.

With Mendy and Youri leaving I Hope that the new permanent manager continues and starts the midfield with as close to a clean slate as possible. I do not believe that we should build a midfield around Soumare,  even in the Championship. Top and co need to realise the importance of getting on with the rebuild.

[FoxyJim1987]

1 hour ago, RumbleFox said:

Yes it is an upwards step. I genuinely can’t believe people can’t understand the concept. Moving from us to villa right now is an upwards step, 100%. I say that in my original post which you seem to have ignored. The point is, he wanted to move upwards from where he was two years ago. That’s why he didn’t sign a contract. He wanted champions league football. From that point of view it’s a sideways step from where he was two years ago to where he is now. But yes, of course right now it’s an upwards step and I’ve never said it’s not. 

Wow. Yeah I get that 2 years ago he wanted champs league (probably, although does any one actually know this for sure) But who cares?? It's the here and now, and who offers him a contract. It's like saying he wouldn't go to Chelsea now because they're not in Europe, but of course he still would.

[jim5000]

6 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm really not sure how it's sideways?? You can't use the argument that from 18 months ago when he turned out contract down, it's the here and now. Villa are massively ambitious, have a terrific manager and squad and will be competing in the top half of the prem, whilst we are manageress, relegated and our squad depleted. It's just sour grapes. We have to face it that we are a championship club and Villa are light years ahead right now 

 

I think the people saying it is sideways, and I don't necasarily agree, are saying it is sideways from the point that Tielemans decided he wasn't renewing with us, probably 12-18 months ago. At that point we were a club in the top half, in Europe, and winning trophies. Many assumed that when it became clear he wasn't signing a new contract, that he had his eyes on a Champions League club, as that was the level above where we were.

 

18 months later, with us relegated and Villa in europe, it is undeniably a positive move for Youri, but the positions weren't what they are when the decision to leave was made.

 

If we are able to get back to the top table, maybe we can resign him in 5 years when he doesn't want to move away because his kids are doing their GCSES

 

 

[Begley]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...pretty much our owner's plans when they took over!!!

There is nothing wrong in setting ambitious goals, if memory serves me right our owners had aimed for the top 4 in four years when they took over. At least it showed that they were ambitious.

  We need to set a new goal today and look to make it happen.

Memory doesn't serve you too well. When our owners bought us we were a Championship club and they said they wanted promotion within 3 years. However, our previous owner, (Tony Xia) said he wanted Champions League within 5 years but ended up with Championship instead

[Bptiger]

He will become the next DRINKWATER 🥴

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Begley said:

Memory doesn't serve you too well. When our owners bought us we were a Championship club and they said they wanted promotion within 3 years. However, our previous owner, (Tony Xia) said he wanted Champions League within 5 years but ended up with Championship instead

...not sure we are talking about the same club, I was referring to LCFC when I made that comment!!!

[Bob Weasel Fox]

We move on

 

average player goes to average club 

 

meanwhile we will drop yet further probably 

[Aus Fox]

Time to move on, and move this thread to either the ‘former foxes, they used to play for us’ thread or general sport.

Same for all threads about Rodgers, Soyuncu, Mendy and anyone else who leaves.

It’s happened, it’s in the past and it’s time to move on and move forward. 

[beepee1984]

I can't help it, but feel extremely bitter about this transfer. I accept players move on and Mahrez, Chilwell, Kante, Maguire, etc all deserved their chance.

 

However Tielemans made it clear he wanted to leave for a bigger club 2 years ago, we had just finished 5th for the 2nd year in a row winning the FA cup and a Europa League campaign to look forward to. We have always been known to be a tough club to do business with and it says a lot that Tielemans is the only player that no one was willing to pay the asking price. One of many reasons for our decline was his performances dropped after he decided not to renew, had he decided then that the bigger club he craved had just finished 11 points below us

 

I knew he wasn't going to an English champions league club, but I expected him to move abroad for it. To leave for our rivals who are in a worst position than we were in when he decided to leave, yes they scrapped Europa Conference football, but they started the season looking like relegation battlers and I seriously hope he ends up being relegated 2 years in a row.

 

LOL - he will however in time be remembered for the FA Cup, but for now I remain very bitter

[RumbleFox]

14 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

Wow. Yeah I get that 2 years ago he wanted champs league (probably, although does any one actually know this for sure) But who cares?? It's the here and now, and who offers him a contract. It's like saying he wouldn't go to Chelsea now because they're not in Europe, but of course he still would.

Honestly I don’t really care either haha. All I said was “it’s a sideways step from where we were two years ago”. I wasn’t particularly interested, nor was I trying to make that point myself. When I wrote my first post it was because a few people couldn’t grasp the concept of what other posters (not me at that point) had said. So I made a half joking post explaining what other people meant, not even myself. The point some people were making were that it’s funny he’s moved to Villa because at the time he didn’t sign with us we were in the same place they are now. Like I said, I wasn’t really making that point, I was just explaining what people meant. That post then got even more people saying “bUt iT’s nOt A sIdEwAtS sTeP, wE’rE iN tHe cHaMpIoNsHiP” which again, wasn’t the point other people were making, nor was it what I was trying to say. But I agree with you in the sense that who cares. I don’t anymore. In fact this thread has made me want to kill myself. 

Edited 12 June 2023 by RumbleFox

[Leicesterpool]

Based on tielemans form would he even break into the villa team.

[Foxmeister]

So he's gone to a club that's roughly where we were 12 months ago.

[beepee1984]

3 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

So he's gone to a club that's roughly where we were 12 months ago.

And in a worst position than we were 2 years ago which is when he decided he was better than us.