Stuntman_Mike Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 (edited) Tbf it's a good move from Villa's point of view. They get him back to his best and he's a fantastic signing on a free and if he flops they will get a fee for him that would most likely cover wages spent over the time he's there, so they'd be no worse off. Edited 11 June 2023 by Stuntman_Mike
Popular Post bongo92 Posted 11 June 2023 Popular Post Posted 11 June 2023 Ready for people to slate me, but I think there is more justification for fans to despite youri than mahrez. Mahrez is now a champions league winner, youri will sit on the bench of the conference league. 10
westernpark Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 Just now, bongo92 said: Ready for people to slate me, but I think there is more justification for fans to despite youri than mahrez. Mahrez is now a champions league winner, youri will sit on the bench of the conference league. Mahrez deserved his move, finally in the Summer of 2018. But let’s not forget he refused to turn up to training and participate in matches. I’m sure someone will insert joke about Tielemans being missing when playing, but the revisionism from some posters, regarding him being poor for two seasons, is just hyperbole. We’re now in the Championship and next season Tielemans will be playing in Europe and the Premier League. I can’t say I despise either, but yesterday it reaffirmed how far we’d fallen, as we had lost one of our best players to Aston Villa. We’ve firmly lost our king of the midlands crown, that we held for nearly ten years. 2
Sampson Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 7 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said: Tbf it's a good move from Villa's point of view. They get him back to his best and he's a fantastic signing on a free and if he flops they will get a fee for him that would most likely cover wages spent over the time he's there, so they'd be no worse off. If he’s on a £150k a year contract for 4 years that’s £30m. Who is going to pay £30m for a player who’s already been crap for 2 years after a further crap season or two? They’d be lucky to get £10m for him if he continues to flop. It’s definitely a risk from their point of view 1
Sampson Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 1 minute ago, westernpark said: regarding him being poor for two seasons, is just hyperbole. What? That isn’t hyperbole or revisionism. He absolutely has been poor for 2 years. You genuinely think he’s been good in either of the past 2 seasons? 1 1
westernpark Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 Just now, Sampson said: What? That isn’t hyperbole or revisionism. He absolutely has been poor for 2 years. You genuinely think he’s been good in either of the past 2 seasons? I think he’s been average. I don’t think he’s been poor, except for since the World Cup.
Sampson Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, westernpark said: I think he’s been average. I don’t think he’s been poor, except for since the World Cup. I guess others just have different standards. I feel you have a very low standard of average. I thought he was utterly dreadful the season before the one just gone then continued it last season. Most here wanted him dropped in 21/22 because he was noticeably stifling our midfield but there was no one to replace him. I don’t see how his performances after the World Cup were a noticeable drop off from what they’d been the 18 months before, he just continued at the same level - 1 good game in every 8 matches or so and looked like he couldn’t make a pass and constantly slowed our game down in the other 7. Edited 11 June 2023 by Sampson 3
Stuntman_Mike Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 1 minute ago, Sampson said: If he’s on a £150k a year contract for 4 years that’s £30m. Who is going to pay £30m for a player who’s already been crap for 2 years after a further crap season or two? They’d be lucky to get £10m for him if he continues to flop. It’s definitely a risk from their point of view Just realised it was a 4 year deal, I thought it was 2!! I take it back
westernpark Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 Just now, Sampson said: I guess others just feel you have a very low standard of average. I thought he was utterly dreadful the season before the one just gone. Can’t agree with him being ‘utterly dreadful’ for that season. But hey, we can all be disappointed with how he dropped off from his first two seasons, perhaps with just differing views on how far that was 👍 1
Spudulike Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 He has also been shite for Belgium over the past two years.
Dames Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 He’s definitely gone for a payday. Knows his legs are shot and will likely be in Turkey after a year or two max. 2
Sampson Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 2 minutes ago, westernpark said: Can’t agree with him being ‘utterly dreadful’ for that season. But hey, we can all be disappointed with how he dropped off from his first two seasons, perhaps with just differing views on how far that was 👍 Again. We’ll have to disagree on that. I think you’re doing hyperbole and revisionism yourself on his 19/20 performances if you think his great form was over 2 seasons. He was excellent in 20/21 but pretty meh in 19/20 and looked disappointing after his form on loan.
westernpark Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sampson said: Again. We’ll have to disagree on that. I think you’re doing hyperbole and revisionism yourself on his 19/20 performances if you think his great form was over 2 seasons. He was excellent in 20/21 but pretty meh in 19/20 and looked disappointing after his form on loan. Sorry, I can’t be bothered to discuss this anymore. Edited 11 June 2023 by westernpark 2
Sampson Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, westernpark said: We’ll have to disagree on that too. I believe you’re being revisionist regarding the majority of his time at the club. Disagree. And that’s definitely not being revisionist, it was almost universal agreement at the time he was pretty meh in 19/20 and disappointing after his loan spell at the time. And browsing through past threads and match ratings here will agree with me that he was poor the last 2 seasons and far from great in 19/20 either, it’s not revisionism, it was the prevailing general opinion of the time. Making out he was great in 19/20 and only average up until the World Cup is definitely the revisionism going on here. Check the match ratings here, browse through the threads if you want…. Edited 11 June 2023 by Sampson
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 (edited) What irks most is this time next year we'll be finishing 14th in the Championship while Youri and Villa lift the Europa Conference trophy, after getting a piss easy draw like West Ham did, sweeping aside European giants such as Legia Trousers and Dynamo Loofah along the way. Edited 11 June 2023 by SouthStandUpperTier
Deeg67 Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 What was our excuse for flaming out in the Conference League then? That draw was too tough?
Matt Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 3 minutes ago, Deeg67 said: What was our excuse for flaming out in the Conference League then? That draw was too tough? Treated with contempt by management and players alike. Also see: Europa League.
volpeazzurro Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sampson said: I guess others just have different standards. I feel you have a very low standard of average. I thought he was utterly dreadful the season before the one just gone then continued it last season. Most here wanted him dropped in 21/22 because he was noticeably stifling our midfield but there was no one to replace him. I don’t see how his performances after the World Cup were a noticeable drop off from what they’d been the 18 months before, he just continued at the same level - 1 good game in every 8 matches or so and looked like he couldn’t make a pass and constantly slowed our game down in the other 7. This is why I'd question the appointment of Smith because like Rodgers, he'd continue to pick names (like Tielemans), rather than players or system that might be able to change things. The hope that things would miraculously just come good was delusional. Better to go go down fighting with players giving their all rather than employ the 'already moved on' selfish brigade. Edited 11 June 2023 by volpeazzurro 1
FoxyJim1987 Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 The real irony is that he's gone to a team with a very good midfield and unless he's on top form will struggle to get in. Douglas Luiz, Kamara, Ramsay, McGinn are all very good players. He might actually have got more game time and gone straight in to Arsenals midfield with donkeys like Elneny and Lokonga there. 1
FoxyJim1987 Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 16 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: What irks most is this time next year we'll be finishing 14th in the Championship while Youri and Villa lift the Europa Conference trophy, after getting a piss easy draw like West Ham did, sweeping aside European giants such as Legia Trousers and Dynamo Loofah along the way. We had spartak Moscow and legia Warsaw in our EL group and still got knocked out. Yeah Roma were tough and tougher than AZ but we can't moan about draws. Also we will be way higher than 14th.
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 13 minutes ago, Deeg67 said: What was our excuse for flaming out in the Conference League then?
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 4 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said: Also we will be way higher than 14th. I thought that was quite optimistic considering we don't yet have a manager or even know who will make up the squad.
Ted Maul Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 He'll probably go there and rediscover his form under some proper coaching. Can't say I'm arsed to see him go though (would have been a very different story a year or 2 ago). I'm sure Villa and the conference league weren't what he had in mind when he was 'keeping his options open' and in the Europa League.
Claudio Fannieri Posted 11 June 2023 Posted 11 June 2023 Superb player who will always love long into LCFC folklore for that FA Cup Final goal, his last 18 months or so will mean his legacy is somewhat tainted. Of course the manner of his departure is frustrating and it hurts but unfortunately it’s modern day football and he hasn’t down anything more than 1,000’s of others players do year in year out. He took a risk which has cost our club a transfer fee and whilst financially he has benefited massively, from a football perspective it has proved not to be the brightest decision, as he looks to have missed the boat to secure a club that is an established champions league regular.
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