Tielemans to villa

[foxinsocks]

Emery is showing the value of a good manager to an also ran club like villa.  (God we need such a manGer now) He will do  great job.  Not sure they can be top six but let's see.

Youri wanted a big move to a cl side....  it hasnt come... and that's simply because he hasnt been good enough. He is a good player but doesnt make the difference often enough.  I wonder how the discussion went as his agent said " take the villa deal... it's as good as you can get"?

Youri had to do two things in the last 4 years. 1. Run his contract down and 2. Show he is a too six player.   He achieve no 1.

[sacreblueits442]

11 hours ago, jonny_wright said:

I hope Emery isn’t expecting any pressing in midfield, or any fight or battle….. I hope they get Ndidi too - be the icing on the cake 

.. there are a lot of bitter posts on here regarding Youri not staying here!!!

 Would you really want him to sign a big fat contract with us and keep phoning it in every game. We need to be thankful that some other club has to endure what we have seen, let them have the frustration and the feeling of being duped.

  Youri knew before he came to us, what his limits were, getting Champions League with us was the only way he was going to make it there, he was totally aware that his physicality was a problem for the bigger clubs, that is why he came here.

  He is pretty self aware and manipulative.

[Corky]

Our fans do go over the top with reactions but on this occasion, taking out the extreme views, being pissed off about this is fair. We've had two years of him refusing to commit, reportedly putting in huge wage demands which put off serious bids therefore losing potentially decent money. His fitness hasn't been good enough, too.

 

We heard regularly that he wanted Champions League football and now he ends up pretty much where he was a year ago.

 

Now, he has a right to do what he has done. We have a right to be annoyed about it.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

2 hours ago, smudger63 said:

I think the general feeling is  its a sideways step from where he was 2 years ago when he refused to sign a new contract with us, because he wanted to be playing for a champions league club. 

Yes, I get what you mean smudger. But under Emery, I can see villa qualifying for Europe next season quite easily.

[sm1]

Villa will do well in the cups under Unai. They'll probably be one of the favourites for the ECL.

[Criggers]

3 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Yes, I get what you mean smudger. But under Emery, I can see villa qualifying for Europe next season quite easily.

Villa could get Europe. But the PL is crazy now. Little room in the champions league places these days.

 

We really ****ed it with those two 5th places didn’t we 😂

 

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

[Captain...]

2 hours ago, smudger63 said:

I think the general feeling is  its a sideways step from where he was 2 years ago when he refused to sign a new contract with us, because he wanted to be playing for a champions league club. 

It is an odd one, maybe the complete lack of interest from any big clubs last couple of seasons when his stock was at its highest might have made re-evaluate his position, it does make you wonder if he could have been convinced to extend his contract with the right offer.

 

Maybe he was just sick of Rodgers and wanted out. He's a class player despite some below par performances, Emery might be the manager to get the best out of him. However you kinda feel Villa have peaked this season and next season will be a tough one juggling Europe and Premier League action, with clubs like Chelsea and Spurs unlikely to be as poor next season along with the inevitable surprise package teams.

[DoveValleyFox]

We had a half arsed Youri, now a half arsed Soumare.

Further and further down the slope we go.

[smudger63]

2 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Yes, I get what you mean smudger. But under Emery, I can see villa qualifying for Europe next season quite easily.

I honestly can't see them finishing top 6. Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man utd, money bags Newcastle, and Chelsea who I think will be very good next season, despite the circus they were last season, will all finish above Villa, and in all likelyhood win the cups between them too. That leaves them competing with Tottenham, maybe Brighton for 7th and conference league again. As I've said elsewhere though, Villa should have a very good chance of winning the Conference league next season, and that probably gives them their best chance of making the Europa League, but no way do Villa make the Champions league, which is what Tielemans was thinking he was going to get by leaving us, when he didn't want to sign his contract with us 2 years ago. 

[JimJams]

58 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

He took a risk which has cost our club a transfer fee and whilst financially he has benefited massively, from a football perspective it has proved not to be the brightest decision, as he looks to have missed the boat to secure a club that is an established  champions league regular. 

How has he took a risk? He didn't turn down an offer from a big 6 club or any of Europe's elite. He just didn't sign with us. Where was the risk? If he'd had an offer from a top club in his time here then he'd likely have pushed for it. As is we were always a fallback as we would 100% have offered him a new contract if he didn't find a suitor.

[filbertway]

He must be gutted not having to uproot his family. Playing for one of the best managers in Europe. Probably getting a very nice signing on bonus and salary.

 

With this being such a well run club, it's hard to see why he didn't want to commit to it. People calling it a sideways move are in for a shock when they tune into Match of the day first day of the season and don't see us on there.

[Master Fox]

27 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

I honestly can't see them finishing top 6. Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man utd, money bags Newcastle, and Chelsea who I think will be very good next season, despite the circus they were last season, will all finish above Villa, and in all likelyhood win the cups between them too. That leaves them competing with Tottenham, maybe Brighton for 7th and conference league again. As I've said elsewhere though, Villa should have a very good chance of winning the Conference league next season, and that probably gives them their best chance of making the Europa League, but no way do Villa make the Champions league, which is what Tielemans was thinking he was going to get by leaving us, when he didn't want to sign his contract with us 2 years ago. 

I think 5th place gets Champions League next season. 

[The Doctor]

15 hours ago, Ashdav86 said:

. In a sort of sitting quarterback role. 

Sitting being the operative word 

[The Horse's Mouth]

16 hours ago, Big Blue Maff said:

I don’t know what to think of this , but if a kick in the balls really , I knew he was always goons leave but I believe it’s a sideways step , he ain’t gonna win owt with villa no way , thought he’d of gone Roma to be honest 

It’s literally not a sideways step, they’re in the top division and have European football while we’re playing Plymouth away next season 

[Matt]

The reality of where we find ourselves and they find themselves means it’s obviously not a sideways step. 

 

Unfortunately, for us, he is responsible in part of a wider problem of why we can’t call it a sideways step, however, I think people need to understand the context of it being claimed as such.

 

The whole hullabaloo of him not signing a new contract was because he thought he was better than us, a Champions League player, if you will.

 

Now he’s joined a team who are where we were, behind where we were actually, bearing in mind we made Europa League consequently dropping into Europa Conference League because we had management and players alike that treated EL with contempt.

 

Based on his reasoning behind him wanting to move on 2 years ago and last year, it is a sideways step, I can only assume he found himself in a position where beggars can’t be choosers.

 

Edited 11 June 2023 by Matt

[ithuriel]

1 hour ago, DoveValleyFox said:

We had a half arsed Youri, now a half arsed Soumare.

Further and further down the slope we go.

Soumare has never been half arsed, seeing ol' bubble butt slipping n' sliding around the pitch, clattering into anything moving slower than him and being nutmegged is a sight to behold but you can't ever call nightmare half arsed

[oadby.fox]

I ultimately blame Brendan and the board for our downfall but this Youri transfer turns my stomach.

 

When you have several first team players running down their contracts this surely effects morale and their commitment to the club. It’s hard to quantify the negative impact this has but I’m sure that it isn’t without consequence. The fact that he wouldn’t sign a contract when we were finishing fifth because it wasn’t enough but now finds his level with 7th placed Villa is ridiculous. He’s screwed us out of a fee by not signing an extension, his previous wage demands likely put off European teams who would sign him, and his hot and cold form has helped contribute to our relegation this season. Now he sails off into the sunset to a side that has been below us for the previous decade, one which hasn’t won anything for almost 30 years. 
 

I know a lot of the blame for this rests with others at the club and that Youri may prioritise keeping his family settled in the area, but I’m pretty sure he was expecting a champions league club to come knocking and that his poor form has put off any suitors. Given how everything turned out, there will always be a lingering “what if” regarding whether his ambivalence helped regelate us this season.

[Richmondfox]

1 hour ago, DoveValleyFox said:

We had a half arsed Youri, now a half arsed Soumare.

Further and further down the slope we go.

They both dropped off together but the difference is Soumare started half arsed and continues to do even less. 
 

 

[LcFc_Smiv]

1 hour ago, DoveValleyFox said:

We had a half arsed Youri, now a half arsed Soumare.

Further and further down the slope we go.

I’d like to see Soumare in a midfield that can actually run, he’s looked half decent when he has someone like KDH in there. Putting him in there with Tielemans and Ndidi was a disaster because he’s arguably the more mobile of the three- and that’s still not great. Can’t say I’ve thought he looked half assed on the run in, more just physically limited because of those around him. Either way I doubt he will be here next season.

[Grebfromgrebland]

I think we'll fail to remember that he didn't sign a new contract with us because we had peaked and have been on the decline.

 

If we were able to push on with decent signings and investments after our 2 5th place finishes he should've probably stayed on. 

 

Villa are a club on the up with a great manager and plenty of funding. The opposite of us right now.

[lcfc old boy]

1 hour ago, sm1 said:

Villa will do well in the cups under Unai. They'll probably be one of the favourites for the ECL.

20/1

[adejo92]

2 hours ago, sm1 said:

Villa will do well in the cups under Unai. They'll probably be one of the favourites for the ECL.

As they say, every dog has its day.

 

Villa are going through a good period, and I think they will have a good outing next season, however I don't think it's sustainable.

 

Wouldn't be suprised to see them fighting relegation in a couple of years time, just like Brighton.

 

Very few teams have real consistency in the Premier league whereby they are constantly fighting for European football. You only have to look at the likes of Everton, ourselves,  and even Burnley not so long back. Even more if you go further back to your Forests & Blackburns etc etc.

 

That's why, for the moment it looks like a good move as he'll be playing in Europe, but overall its a sideways step.

 

The likes of Arsenal, Liverpool,  Manchester Utd / City & even Tottenham are the teams where, give or take, you'll be playing European football most years. Those are the teams I think he felt he'd be moving too so it's quite funny he's ended up at Villa.

Edited 11 June 2023 by adejo92

[z-layrex]

1 minute ago, adejo92 said:

As they say, every dog has its day.

 

Villa are going through a good period, and I think they will have a good outing next season, however I don't think it's sustainable.

 

Wouldn't be suprised to see them fighting relegation in a couple of years time, just like Brighton.

 

Very few teams have real consistency in the Premier league whereby they are constantly fighting for European football. You only have to look at the likes of Everton, ourselves,  and even Burnley not so long back. Even more if you go further back to your Forests & Blackburns etc etc.

Yes, because the "big 6" will pick apart any team that starts to actually achieve something. Just look at Brighton already losing Mac Allister. Makes it all seem a bit pointless really.

[adejo92]

Just now, z-layrex said:

Yes, because the "big 6" will pick apart any team that starts to actually achieve something. Just look at Brighton already losing Mac Allister. Makes it all seem a bit pointless really.

Totally agree. Those teams, and the Premier League itself, are like a secret handshake club.

[coolhandfox]

I don't see Villa top 6, Emery is a good manager, but this season was the one to get in the mix.

 

Liverpool, were pretty poor for the majority of the season. Chelsea and Spurs shot themselves in the foot.

 

With Newcastle new found wealth, getting in top 7 is going to be a massive task.