Harry Winks

[Pliskin]

We’ve been told to pay attention to what fans say. Southampton fans all said Vesty was wank, and he was. Spurs fans, despite his troubles are all saying he’s a decent player…. He’s just been mismanaged….. 

 

It seems the majority just pick and chose when they want to get behind a player or not. You need some signings like this when you’re in our position. At least give the lad a chance. 

[Foxmeister]

11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Eh? Nathan Ake is the record at £45m. There's been plenty of deals since we signed Maddison for £25m that have exceeded that. Buendia £35m for example.

Actually it's more of a cock up than I thought, I was looking at the top 10 upside down. 🙃🤣

[Ashley]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

We’ve been told to pay attention to what fans say. Southampton fans all said Vesty was wank, and he was. Spurs fans, despite his troubles are all saying he’s a decent player…. He’s just been mismanaged….. 

 

It seems the majority just pick and chose when they want to get behind a player or not. You need some signings like this when you’re in our position. At least give the lad a chance. 

Stop talking sense please. 

[niyaminski]

18 minutes ago, Fightforever said:

Chair

One of my mates is a diehard QPR fan. Goes home and away.

 

He says Chair isn’t that good - he looks good because he has a highlight reel full of flashy skills and nice turns.

 

But he rarely impacts a game and it’d be a ‘daylight robbery’ if QPR charged us the amount reported earlier this summer.

[roblcfc84]

Honestly can’t believe the reactions to the fees quoted for Winks, and also Coady. 
 

We have wasted some incredible transfer fees on absolute garbage! 
 

Vesty was what 15m, Ghazzel near 14m, Slimani 30m, Musa 25m. The list goes on and on…
 

This is a good business compared to that lot. 

[Nolucklcfc]

Don’t really know what people are moaning about. Solid addition, good experience, tidy on the ball, moves the play well, relatively cheap, get behind the lad man 

[foxes_rule1978]

Just now, roblcfc84 said:

Honestly can’t believe the reactions to the fees quoted for Winks, and also Coady. 
 

We have wasted some incredible transfer fees on absolute garbage! 
 

Vesty was what 15m, Ghazzel near 14m, Slimani 30m, Musa 25m. The list goes on and on…
 

This is a good business compared to that lot. 

I don’t have an issue with the fees at all, winks 18m on two solid players that will be very good in the championship isn’t bad business in my view 

[niyaminski]

3 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

Vesty was what 15m, Ghazzel near 14m, Slimani 30m, Musa 25m. The list goes on and on…

At least let the lad play for us before comparing him to these lot.

[Guest nathan.]

It’s a solid signing.

 

People are quick to forget he’s also played for England recently. 

[StriderHiryu]

3 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

We’ve been told to pay attention to what fans say. Southampton fans all said Vesty was wank, and he was. Spurs fans, despite his troubles are all saying he’s a decent player…. He’s just been mismanaged….. 

 

It seems the majority just pick and chose when they want to get behind a player or not. You need some signings like this when you’re in our position. At least give the lad a chance. 

 

I think most fans are OK with this signing, he's just not an exciting one. That's the real reason fans are upset given the disaster of last season.

 

I've been looking at what other Championship clubs have been saying on their forums and a lot of them think all 4 players we are linked with are great signings with many predicting we will have the strongest squad ever seen in the Championship. That doesn't mean it will be a cakewalk, but interestingly a lot of them think that last year the Championship wasn't very high quality. That's kind of a surprise to me as I was under the assumption things had improved a lot given how well Blackburn did when they beat us at home. 

[Austin]

1 minute ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Don’t really know what people are moaning about. Solid addition, good experience, tidy on the ball, moves the play well, relatively cheap, get behind the lad man 

My sentiments.

 

We've been spoilt over the last decade with thinking we could sign midfielders above his calibre.

 

Look at the midfielders we currently have and I think there's genuine argument that winks could come in and be the best midfielder at the club. We are just absolutely bang average in that area of the pitch and if he can come in with a point to prove I'll be relatively happy with that.

 

I want players at the club that want to play for the club. Not players that helped relegate us and are almost certainly looking to find a way out of the club.

 

Give the lad a chance!

[Ric Flair]

Just so I can have something to refer to when I have the same argument over and over again.

 

General consensus of what got us in the mess we have found ourselves in is as follows:

 

Wage bill spiralled out of control, making it difficult to move players on who we no longer wanted/who no longer wanted to be here.

 

The profile of signings in recent year has changed slightly and almost every domestic signing whom were perceived to be experienced and/or PL quality varied between poor to damn right horrendous.

 

Wages notoriously high and some players only came here for the money and the due diligence of player character and attitude seemed a far cry from what we'd appeared quite good at.

 

Our inability to move players on, often demanding unreasonably high transfer fees.

 

Chronic injury issues, squad was simply not able to cope with the rigours of football and our success suffered with each year it continued.

 

All of the above and then some are criticism thrown at our board and we are hoping that lessons could be learnt as part of this rebuild. The conveyor belt of ins and outs that teams need to remain competitive / successful had completely stalled with us in recent years and we have to learn from what caused that.

 

The obvious being the wage structure we had and the prices we demand for fringe players. We seem to have absolutely no qualms ourselves of paying inflated transfer fees for said players but we are unable to get the same. Why is that?

 

If we sign players like Winks on decent wages for decent fees and it doesn't work out, then it proves nothing is changing. Should we have expected change by now? My answer to that would be yes given we've just masterminded rhe most disgusting relegation from where we'd gotten to in PL history. But it's of no surprise that we haven't.

 

It will also be no surprise if our chronic injury issues continue, now will the retort to that be that hey its one of those things and it was long occurring before Harry Winks arrived or would it be fair to point out the concern that he already has persistent ankle injuries in recent years that Spurs fans have pointed to the reason for his decline? It will be of no surprise if that happens and yet if it does many won't join the dots up as to why we continue to struggle.

 

My concerns about signing players who we are a step down to and on big wages remain valid IMO, but one thing I am happy to say is Winks and Coady seem like good characters. Coady it's well known he's a leader and personality but Winks might not have that obvious quality but his attitude has always been very good. But that still doesn't negate all my concerns and I'm happy to be the minority on this or accused of being negative, because I can and will explain why I'm being like this.

 

I'm regularly wrong, but without the benefit of hindsight to prove that one way or the other, I'm trying to means test the current decision making in light of the catastrophic failures those at our club made in recent years. Right now I see little evidence of marked change.

 

We will gamble this summer and failure will make last seasons issues seem a cake walk.

 

 

 

 

[FrankieADZ]

sorry @Ric Flair , lost me after the first sentence 

too much text without a drink in my hand

[Fazzer 7]

He'd do for the champs at 10 mil. 

[Pliskin]

5 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

I think most fans are OK with this signing, he's just not an exciting one. That's the real reason fans are upset given the disaster of last season.

 

I've been looking at what other Championship clubs have been saying on their forums and a lot of them think all 4 players we are linked with are great signings with many predicting we will have the strongest squad ever seen in the Championship. That doesn't mean it will be a cakewalk, but interestingly a lot of them think that last year the Championship wasn't very high quality. That's kind of a surprise to me as I was under the assumption things had improved a lot given how well Blackburn did when they beat us at home. 

I think the Championship this season, is more exciting than the premier league. I mean Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton? Already added to a list of bang average teams outside of the top 10 clubs? 
 

There’s two premier league winners in this league, and a host of sleeping giants. The quality will be lacking at times, but in terms of entertainment it should be good. 
 

Im confident we will do well, I think the problem is last season was such a disaster, but it needs to be a lesson learnt before this there wasn’t much criticism levelled at the club, it’s only in the last 18 months that the wolves have descended upon the board room….

 

I wonder, had we managed a 12 place finish, what would the reaction be then? 

[Foxdiamond]

A lot of us were excited by Soumare coming here from French league. At least Winks knows English football and not a new culture etc to get used to. It seems Poch got the best out of him as opposed to the more recent Spurs managers. Hopefully a new start with us will spark a return to form

[RobHawk]

10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Just so I can have something to refer to when I have the same argument over and over again.

 

General consensus of what got us in the mess we have found ourselves in is as follows:

 

Wage bill spiralled out of control, making it difficult to move players on who we no longer wanted/who no longer wanted to be here.

 

The profile of signings in recent year has changed slightly and almost every domestic signing whom were perceived to be experienced and/or PL quality varied between poor to damn right horrendous.

 

Wages notoriously high and some players only came here for the money and the due diligence of player character and attitude seemed a far cry from what we'd appeared quite good at.

 

Our inability to move players on, often demanding unreasonably high transfer fees.

 

Chronic injury issues, squad was simply not able to cope with the rigours of football and our success suffered with each year it continued.

 

All of the above and then some are criticism thrown at our board and we are hoping that lessons could be learnt as part of this rebuild. The conveyor belt of ins and outs that teams need to remain competitive / successful had completely stalled with us in recent years and we have to learn from what caused that.

 

The obvious being the wage structure we had and the prices we demand for fringe players. We seem to have absolutely no qualms ourselves of paying inflated transfer fees for said players but we are unable to get the same. Why is that?

 

If we sign players like Winks on decent wages for decent fees and it doesn't work out, then it proves nothing is changing. Should we have expected change by now? My answer to that would be yes given we've just masterminded rhe most disgusting relegation from where we'd gotten to in PL history. But it's of no surprise that we haven't.

 

It will also be no surprise if our chronic injury issues continue, now will the retort to that be that hey its one of those things and it was long occurring before Harry Winks arrived or would it be fair to point out the concern that he already has persistent ankle injuries in recent years that Spurs fans have pointed to the reason for his decline? It will be of no surprise if that happens and yet if it does many won't join the dots up as to why we continue to struggle.

 

My concerns about signing players who we are a step down to and on big wages remain valid IMO, but one thing I am happy to say is Winks and Coady seem like good characters. Coady it's well known he's a leader and personality but Winks might not have that obvious quality but his attitude has always been very good. But that still doesn't negate all my concerns and I'm happy to be the minority on this or accused of being negative, because I can and will explain why I'm being like this.

 

I'm regularly wrong, but without the benefit of hindsight to prove that one way or the other, I'm trying to means test the current decision making in light of the catastrophic failures those at our club made in recent years. Right now I see little evidence of marked change.

 

We will gamble this summer and failure will make last seasons issues seem a cake walk.

 

 

 

 

I think that's all fair, ultimately we don't know how any signing will do but the club haven't given us much to be confident about in recent years. 

 

I remember arguing on here that Bertrand would be a great addition on a free. I still believe on paper he could have been but a combination of poor attitude and injuries meant that it was actually a disaster.

[STUHILL]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

If we sign players like Winks on decent wages for decent fees

So it's £7-8 million up front and £2-3 add ons if we get promoted most likely?

 

Really not seeing that as an outrageous fee to be honest. He is 27, Spurs fans have good things to say about him on the whole and is generally considered to be a very good signing for this level. 

 

Same can be said for Coady. 

[South Shire Fox]

25 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

Honestly can’t believe the reactions to the fees quoted for Winks, and also Coady. 
 

We have wasted some incredible transfer fees on absolute garbage! 
 

Vesty was what 15m, Ghazzel near 14m, Slimani 30m, Musa 25m. The list goes on and on…
 

This is a good business compared to that lot. 

Tbf at the time most of them were probably seen as good business 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

3 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

So it's £7-8 million up front and £2-3 add ons if we get promoted most likely?

 

Really not seeing that as an outrageous fee to be honest. He is 27, Spurs fans have good things to say about him on the whole and is generally considered to be a very good signing for this level. 

 

Same can be said for Coady. 

Surely the add ons should be performance wise......what if we get promoted even through he's not contributed enough......do still have to pay Spurs millions more

[Vindaloo FOX]

Soild Championship player, hopefully we can keep him fit.

[StonyFox]

He's 27 years old, so should be in his prime, he's played over 30 games per season on average for the past 7 seasons. The fee is under 10m and it seems like he wants to come to us. For me, I think he'll be a good signing and bring experience and quality. It doesn't sound like an exciting signing, but Soumare was a league winner and about twice the price, and look how that turned out. 

 

I think it's more of a gamble for him than it is for us. We're signing a premier league player, but he's coming to a relegated club with a brand new manager with very little experience. 

[Bluetintedspecs]

Under BR  there was a festering negativity that spread due to a weak mentality ,poor management and attitude.

Reminds me a lot of the growing amount of vocal negative Nellie's on FoxesTalk. 

Is the desire to line up potential I told you so that important ? 

Some patently will never ever be happy and just enjoy moaning 

[LestaLad]

Some people are so negative. It’s a solid experienced signing, which you need a few of when dropping down into the championship and wanting to get straight back up. Same with Coady.

You can’t always buy these young random players from foreign leagues which look unreal on a 3min comp, it doesn’t work. As we’ve seen from Tete and many others. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want all of our signings to be of the mould of these but you’ve got to create an experienced spine, who are experienced in England as well as elsewhere, otherwise you end up like Southampton.

[STUHILL]

4 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Surely the add ons should be performance wise......what if we get promoted even through he's not contributed enough......do still have to pay Spurs millions more

I imagine he will have had to play in a certain amount of league games as well