Harry Winks

[splinterdream]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

 

Another difference is that there probably isn't much difference in quality but one we'll pay £10m for and the other we'll receive £3m for.

We haven’t paid £10m for him. You have to turn the squad over, Winks will sign a new contract and have a value attached, wages will probably be half of Praets as well,.

[Gamble92]

6 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Hmm I get Ric’s nervousness - it’s got me feeling very Sven Summer 

Come on. Winks and Coady have a genuine chance of being part of a Leicester Premier League team if we went up.

 

Sven got players so past their sell by date it was laughable. These are nothing like that. I don't see any reason to be down about this. They're two signings of intent and it will attract others to get on board. We have been on such a downward trajectory and had the worst few months imaginable. I have felt absolutely devastated at it all, but this gives us a chance to be positive again. I don't see any negatives. 

[TrentFox]

1 minute ago, Gamble92 said:

Come on. Winks and Coady have a genuine chance of being part of a Leicester Premier League team if we went up.

 

Sven got players so past their sell by date it was laughable. These are nothing like that. I don't see any reason to be down about this. They're two signings of intent and it will attract others to get on board. We have been on such a downward trajectory and had the worst few months imaginable. I have felt absolutely devastated at it all, but this gives us a chance to be positive again. I don't see any negatives. 

You make a good point about ‘statement of intent’. If I was a sought after player, I’d definitely want to see that potential suitors were ‘going for it’ and us getting two rock-solid signings like Winks and Coady in very early-doors kinda sends that message loud and clear. It really can’t hurt in our pursuit of other targets. We also need a solid spine and this is a step in the right. direction. It’s a yes from me. 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Gamble92 said:

Come on. Winks and Coady have a genuine chance of being part of a Leicester Premier League team if we went up.

 

Sven got players so past their sell by date it was laughable. These are nothing like that. I don't see any reason to be down about this. They're two signings of intent and it will attract others to get on board. We have been on such a downward trajectory and had the worst few months imaginable. I have felt absolutely devastated at it all, but this gives us a chance to be positive again. I don't see any negatives. 

Coady probably doesn’t. Two clubs felt last season he wasn’t worth persisting with despite them being threatened with relegation. 
 

Winks is an unknown because he hasn’t played regular enough but his spell at Sampdoria in a slower tempo league hardly speaks well. 
 

There’s far better value out there IMO. 

[Finnegan]

Steffen, Winks and Coady are all comfortably Premier League quality players and extremely safe signings for moderate fees.

 

If we keep our three strikers, Dewsbury-Hall, JJ, VK, our decent CBs, we're shaping up a team that's just far, far too strong for this level. 

 

Now needs to come a few exciting, younger prospects to add a bit of flair. 

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Come on. Winks and Coady have a genuine chance of being part of a Leicester Premier League team if we went up.

 

Sven got players so past their sell by date it was laughable. These are nothing like that. I don't see any reason to be down about this. They're two signings of intent and it will attract others to get on board. We have been on such a downward trajectory and had the worst few months imaginable. I have felt absolutely devastated at it all, but this gives us a chance to be positive again. I don't see any negatives. 

Winks is 27 and never been a regular. Infact he was shipped out on loan due to not being good enough to be a back up for a fairly average Spurs.

 

Coady has been passed up by Wolves and Everton. He'll be a solid addition in a back 3 in the championship. 

 

It's the future that's the concern though. I'd like to think that some people would realise that it's important to think of the long term impact of decisions and signings and not just the next 6 months. It's why a few of us could see the downturn months if not years before the absolute catastrophe of last season.

 

Coady on a free or a small fee on a 2 year deal would be fine work.  If we're paying 8-10 million, decent wages and offering 3/4 year contract we're just falling into old traps and setting ourselves up for a sh*t time down the line. 

 

I get the Sven reference, paying a premium on players that are fairly average that will eat up that wage budget.

[foxinsocks]

I believe there is an advantage in bringing on players used to pl training levels

[Gamble92]

1 minute ago, TrentFox said:

You make a good point about ‘statement of intent’. If I was a sought after player, I’d definitely want to see that potential suitors were ‘going for it’ and us getting two rock-solid signings like Winks and Coady in very early-doors kinda sends that message loud and clear. It really can’t hurt in our pursuit of other targets. We also need a solid spine and this is a step in the right. direction. It’s a yes from me. 

Exactly.

 

Potential players who are in our ball park with Southampton, Leeds and even the likes of Luton and Burnley will have been looking at us from afar and waiting. One of the biggest talking points with agents will be Leicester are selling everyone and being torn apart. If we didn't act quickly with signings like this that narrative quickly creeps in and we become desperate. 

 

Everything else like our training ground, recent history and support puts us ahead of some of them smaller Premier League teams who will have tried to get Coady. It's the rest that needs to fall into place and i'm impressed with what they've done so far. 

[Gamble92]

3 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Winks is 27 and never been a regular. Infact he was shipped out on loan due to not being good enough to be a back up for a fairly average Spurs.

 

Coady has been passed up by Wolves and Everton. He'll be a solid addition in a back 3 in the championship. 

 

It's the future that's the concern though. I'd like to think that some people would realise that it's important to think of the long term impact of decisions and signings and not just the next 6 months. It's why a few of us could see the downturn months if not years before the absolute catastrophe of last season.

 

Coady on a free or a small fee on a 2 year deal would be fine work.  If we're paying 8-10 million, decent wages and offering 3/4 year contract we're just falling into old traps and setting ourselves up for a sh*t time down the line. 

 

I get the Sven reference, paying a premium on players that are fairly average that will eat up that wage budget.

Might have known you'd be negative about it all

[john ridley]

If we don't offer decent  contracts etc they won't come ,there's got to be a carrot somewhere. 

[Guest Col city fan]

15 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Steffen, Winks and Coady are all comfortably Premier League quality players and extremely safe signings for moderate fees.

 

If we keep our three strikers, Dewsbury-Hall, JJ, VK, our decent CBs, we're shaping up a team that's just far, far too strong for this level. 

 

Now needs to come a few exciting, younger prospects to add a bit of flair. 

Again, I’ll ask whether you or anyone else has the faintest clue whether Winks is a ‘Premiership quality player’?

Have you seen him play over the last x number of months?

[FoxOnWheels]

34 minutes ago, Fightforever said:

Choudhury was the best tackler in the championship last year. Just get him to do the 2019 Ndidi role where all he has to do is win it back and we can have Justin, Kristiansen and Ricardo bomb on.

I see your point but between Winks and KDH they should be able to tackle enough and we will likely have majority of the ball need someone a lot more technical than Choudhury 

[Foxdiamond]

17 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Winks is 27 and never been a regular. Infact he was shipped out on loan due to not being good enough to be a back up for a fairly average Spurs.

 

Coady has been passed up by Wolves and Everton. He'll be a solid addition in a back 3 in the championship. 

 

It's the future that's the concern though. I'd like to think that some people would realise that it's important to think of the long term impact of decisions and signings and not just the next 6 months. It's why a few of us could see the downturn months if not years before the absolute catastrophe of last season.

 

Coady on a free or a small fee on a 2 year deal would be fine work.  If we're paying 8-10 million, decent wages and offering 3/4 year contract we're just falling into old traps and setting ourselves up for a sh*t time down the line. 

 

I get the Sven reference, paying a premium on players that are fairly average that will eat up that wage budget.

Not helped by the number of managers Spurs have had since breaking through under Poch

[RedSoxUK]

I'm really excited about this signing, mostly because @Ric Flair isn't, the massive fraud.

[weller54]

23 minutes ago, john ridley said:

If we don't offer decent  contracts etc they won't come ,there's got to be a carrot somewhere. 

 

[Guest Bilo]

32 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Steffen, Winks and Coady are all comfortably Premier League quality players and extremely safe signings for moderate fees.

 

If we keep our three strikers, Dewsbury-Hall, JJ, VK, our decent CBs, we're shaping up a team that's just far, far too strong for this level. 

 

Now needs to come a few exciting, younger prospects to add a bit of flair. 

Absolutely. 

 

That team with a couple of quality Man City loanees playing the attractive, attacking football Maresca advocates is good for 100 points. 

 

It also comfortably stays up if promoted, possibly not even worrying about relegation in much the same vein as Fulham this season.

[KansasFox]

3 minutes ago, weller54 said:

 

Is that Mike Dean, enjoying retirement? 

[HitchinFox]

4 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

The way some of our fans are talking you would think he was someone from Top Field Hitchin!

Ha! Exactly!
 

[HitchinFox]

4 hours ago, Fox1norfolk said:

He is just being used as a part payment for Maddison

Fine by me, that. In fact, even better and makes the blow of losing Maddison a bit better, as we have someone to come in (and I'm not saying for a second it's a like for like, but at least it's a Prem-level player who can go straight in the opening XI).

I'd much rather have £30m and Winks than simply £40m – if that's what the deal is. 

 

Partly because Rudkin's still here, so I have zero confidence he could do better than Winks with that extra £10m. 

[Foxdiamond]

4 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

The way some of our fans are talking you would think he was someone from Top Field Hitchin!

Remember circa 1988 seeing a Leicester eleven turn out at Hitchin in a pre season friendly. Back in the Pleat days. I think Carl Muggleton played in a 4-1 win

[The_Rorab]

I will say there is no proof that Steffen is Prem quality given he's basically never played in the Prem - I have an American friend who really doesn't rate Steffen in the slightest - thinks he's okay at playing out from the back but a pretty rubbish shot-stopper with a real howler in him but we'll see.

 

I have reservations over each deal here that is mainly finance-related, but provided that we're actually signing some players of a different profile after this then that will definitely go some way to assuage my concerns - we absolutely need some players with some kind of resale value after these ones otherwise we could really struggle long-term if we don't go up at the first time of asking.

 

I'm trying not to be too concerned, because on the face of it I'm happy we're actually getting things done, and on the face of it the profile of player is one that should be good enough for our ambitions. 

 

I just don't trust the board to have learned from previous windows finance-wise I think is the crux of the issue, so the reported fees and my assumption of the wages involved is something that I find concerning with these deals - but hopefully that'll be unfounded.

[Foxmeister]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you would think Norwich would have gone to the courts regarding LCFC attempting to renege on a contractual agreement, we would surely lose the case!!!

I think there are systems in place to value part-ex deals in these cases, similar to the transfer tribunals pre-Bosman.

[STUHILL]

33 minutes ago, The_Rorab said:

I will say there is no proof that Steffen is Prem quality

I am not convinced we are in for Steffen. I think Iverson will be starting the season as our No.1

[Bluearmyfox28]

3 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Chair is completely different to Winks and Hamer would cost twice as much.

I want all 3! 

[Bergen fox]

1 hour ago, KansasFox said:

Is that Mike Dean, enjoying retirement? 

No he is slaughtering chickens 🐔