The "do they mean us?" thread pt 4

[Happy Fox]

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The money available to ever present Premier League clubs means the gap between the PL and EFL will only grow bigger. Nottingham Forest spent £30m on a defensive midfielder (Sangare from PSV - a club in the Champions League). Forest, a side who will be expected to finish in the bottom 6-8 this season, are spending £30m on one player and not even an attacking-minded player. How can you possibly expect Luton and Sheffield United to compete? Similar argument can be made when looking at parachute payments in the Championship. Leicester spent £10m on a player with 10 England caps (Harry Winks) and look at the start they have made to life in the Championship, is it any surprise? The wealth has to be shared more equally amongst all 92 clubs, otherwise the competition and the "anyone can beat anyone" mantra that we had will be completely destroyed.

Rob, Dudley, West Midlands, WBA fan

 

 

 

It's okay Rob we will go easy on you when we play you soon. 

Edited 25 September 2023 by Happy Fox

[OriginalRobboFOX]

24 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Posted at 12:5312:53

 

Get Involved - Is the gap between the PL and Championship too big?

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The money available to ever present Premier League clubs means the gap between the PL and EFL will only grow bigger. Nottingham Forest spent £30m on a defensive midfielder (Sangare from PSV - a club in the Champions League). Forest, a side who will be expected to finish in the bottom 6-8 this season, are spending £30m on one player and not even an attacking-minded player. How can you possibly expect Luton and Sheffield United to compete? Similar argument can be made when looking at parachute payments in the Championship. Leicester spent £10m on a player with 10 England caps (Harry Winks) and look at the start they have made to life in the Championship, is it any surprise? The wealth has to be shared more equally amongst all 92 clubs, otherwise the competition and the "anyone can beat anyone" mantra that we had will be completely destroyed.

Rob, Dudley, West Midlands, WBA fan

 

 

 

It's okay Rob we will go easy on you when we play you soon. 

IIRC they spent £13m on Oliver Burke, same on Chadli, and Karlen Grant too. They also spent £15m on Rondon… all those deals at the time represented big money. 

 

Had they spent that money better who knows where they may have been… a really poorly run club. Probably now 4th behind Villa, Wolves, and Brum which is mad when you consider the state Brum are in 😳

[Grebfromgrebland]

Be good if there was a better distribution of funds though

[Dahnsouff]

Not sure if already posted

 

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[Finnegan]

On 25/09/2023 at 13:06, Happy Fox said:

It's okay Rob we will go easy on you when we play you soon.

He's right and laughing at him for it is an intensely dick move. 

[Bryn]

14 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not sure if already posted

 

Leicester City: EFL Championship 2023-24 Data, Stats, Analysis and Scout report (eflanalysis.com)

 

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This is the first thing that's made my antivirus ping in about 13 years.

[StriderHiryu]

On 25/09/2023 at 14:12, Dahnsouff said:

Not sure if already posted

 

Leicester City: EFL Championship 2023-24 Data, Stats, Analysis and Scout report (eflanalysis.com)

 

FAO @StriderHiryu

Post this in the Tactics thread! This is great!

 

On 25/09/2023 at 14:26, Finnegan said:

He's right and laughing at him for it is an intensely dick move. 

I agree with you. The gap is getting huge! The number of teams that have never been in the PL is declining all the time, and that's why it was so refreshing that Luton made it. Ipswich have been in the top flight before, but it would still be great to see them make it along with us. Personally, I think it would be epic if Preston North End made it, but their underlying data suggests to me they will be lucky if they make the playoffs.

 

You can be a really well run Championship club, but how do you compete with a team like us that has fully fledged internationals, some of which can only make the bench!?

 

Our legacy to English football was to give every team out there hope. We did the impossible! Perhaps it wasn't a complete underdog story because Vichai was hardly short of a bob or two, but still it made people dare to dream. If the league is a farce and only 25 teams can ever have a shot of the Premier League, it's a sad state of affairs.

[kristianity77]

I think that as stupid as it sounds, you need to get promoted, get relegated and then get promoted again to have a better chance of staying up.  Unless you chuck a hundred million at it first time of asking you don't really have a chance these days.  But if you don't spend much first time, get relegated, take the money you earned, get back up again with a parachute payment in the bag again, second time round you've got a hell of a lot more money to play with. 

Edited 25 September 2023 by kristianity77

[Noahfence]

Through gritted teeth I think George Elek might have just been positive about us on their latest podcast! 

[Vlad the Fox]

Shef u fan rang 606 on Sunday about how uncompetitive the premier league is and how it will destroy teams in years to come and ruin football. Was worthy of a much bigger discussion but they then made him hang on as they had an interview with heckingbottom then when they came back to him he was told he only had 30 seconds has they were going to the news. He’d probably only been shouted down by premier league fan boy savage however I get the feeling listening to other fans that there is the start of a mood swing towards the premier league. Hopefully it quickly gains traction as the greedy six don’t want competition.

[ARM1968]

He’s right. The money is out of control. It is strangling football. I’d be in favour of all teams receiving exactly the same money. Sure the Premier League would cry like babies and the big 6 might well do one. But football has become a commodity and as in real life the rich are just getting richer. 

[Dahnsouff]

He is right, we are all complicit though, even them to a lesser degree. As soon as the top levels of football became entertainment, once it became glamour, there was only one direction of travel. 

[dmayne7]

On 25/09/2023 at 14:26, Finnegan said:

He's right and laughing at him for it is an intensely dick move. 

He's right but unfortunately, coming from a supporter of a recently relegated team, one that's had plenty of time in the PL, it just comes across as sour grapes.

 

The fact there's a massive wealth divide between the top 6/7 in the PL and even more of a chasm between the rest of the football league is awful. And it'll never be addressed. Enzo's doing great but when you park the doom and gloom because of last year, if you can't get promoted with this squad and financial backing, there's something seriously wrong.

 

I'd never question anyone's love for Leicester, but how anyone could claim to love football in its current state is beyond me. A super League will happen in the next 20 years and whereas it would have been terrible a few years back, it'll be one of the best things to happen to the game. A watershed moment that's an actual catalyst for change.

[Vlad the Fox]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

He is right, we are all complicit though, even them to a lesser degree. As soon as the top levels of football became entertainment, once it became glamour, there was only one direction of travel. 

Which is why the fa and governing bodies should have withstood the pressure and kept the integrity of the sport in check. 
 

I don’t give a shit about the premier league being the best, richest, most watched league when it all comes at the cost of competitiveness, the very thing that makes sport exciting.  

[davieG]

5 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

He’s right. The money is out of control. It is strangling football. I’d be in favour of all teams receiving exactly the same money. Sure the Premier League would cry like babies and the big 6 might well do one. But football has become a commodity and as in real life the rich are just getting richer. 

They would argue we'd be left adrift in Euro Competitions.

 

You have to put a lot of the blame on the other 14 clubs because they have to agree to everything. They're the one's including LCFC that voted to let the teams playing in Europe have a bigger share of overseas income.

[SemperEadem]

Its ****ed.

Thats why at least in Germany you know the top league is a far gone conclusion however you pay £13 for your ticket, its noisy, serves local beer and because of this your can enjoy your matchday far more.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Vlad the Fox said:

Which is why the fa and governing bodies should have withstood the pressure and kept the integrity of the sport in check. 
 

I don’t give a shit about the premier league being the best, richest, most watched league when it all comes at the cost of competitiveness, the very thing that makes sport exciting.  

People don`t tend to make it to the top of such institutions without significant self interest being a guiding principle, thus is it is so with those at the top of the FA or other governing bodies.

[davieG]

7 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Which is why the fa and governing bodies should have withstood the pressure and kept the integrity of the sport in check. 
 

I don’t give a shit about the premier league being the best, richest, most watched league when it all comes at the cost of competitiveness, the very thing that makes sport exciting.  

The FA had little choice in succumbing to the demands to allow an independent Tier 1 league they were going to leave whatever happened, you only have to look at other sports to see how money is corrupting them. Once the PL started the FA lost all control over them even the Laws of the games etc are now down to UEFA and FIFA, the FA is pretty much without any influence in the world of football and is financially broke. That's why the FA Cup is a secondary competition.

[OntarioFox]

20 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

Posted at 12:5312:53

 

Get Involved - Is the gap between the PL and Championship too big?

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The money available to ever present Premier League clubs means the gap between the PL and EFL will only grow bigger. Nottingham Forest spent £30m on a defensive midfielder (Sangare from PSV - a club in the Champions League). Forest, a side who will be expected to finish in the bottom 6-8 this season, are spending £30m on one player and not even an attacking-minded player. How can you possibly expect Luton and Sheffield United to compete? Similar argument can be made when looking at parachute payments in the Championship. Leicester spent £10m on a player with 10 England caps (Harry Winks) and look at the start they have made to life in the Championship, is it any surprise? The wealth has to be shared more equally amongst all 92 clubs, otherwise the competition and the "anyone can beat anyone" mantra that we had will be completely destroyed.

Rob, Dudley, West Midlands, WBA fan

 

 

 

It's okay Rob we will go easy on you when we play you soon. 

West Brom's entire business model was built on getting parachute payments every other year. 😂

 

I don't agree with them, and would rather there were more stringent rules on how it can be spent - basically just give clubs enough to balance the books but ringfence it from any playing-side investment - but it's rich to have criticism of it coming from fans of a side whose best known 'song' if you can even call it that is literally a reference to them being a yo-yo club. 

[brookfox]

It’s not that bad. We’ve got FFP which apparently stops rich clubs like Chelsea spending £1bn on players and still hitting fair play guidelines. Not that it’s helped them mind 😆

[Vlad the Fox]

8 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

People don`t tend to make it to the top of such institutions without significant self interest being a guiding principle, thus is it is so with those at the top of the FA or other governing bodies.

True 

[Vlad the Fox]

8 minutes ago, davieG said:

The FA had little choice in succumbing to the demands to allow an independent Tier 1 league they were going to leave whatever happened, you only have to look at other sports to see how money is corrupting them. Once the PL started the FA lost all control over them even the Laws of the games etc are now down to UEFA and FIFA, the FA is pretty much without any influence in the world of football and is financially broke. That's why the FA Cup is a secondary competition.

Yes, that’s true, it’s a shame though that eufa and fifa weren’t quick enough to see it happening or even the government weren’t more alert to try and do something, unfortunately fan culture is selfish (maybe it’s changing) and if their club benefits then stuff the rest. We really need a national and European fans body that has teeth and the best interests of the game as a whole as it’s priority.

[ARTY_FOX]

Eufa/country FA'S should have followed through with expelling the super league clubs. Would have reset football and the players would have jumped to other clubs anyway. It would have been a benefit long term.

[orangecity23]

Says it all that on top of getting a larger slice of TV revenues, and cocking about with the champions league format to give them a better chance of getting in, easier time progressing when in it due to historic seeding going back to the year dot plus larger TV revenue again, you've got clubs like Man United who have won nothing for ages (in fact, we've won the league, fa cup and charity shield more recently than they have) signing a 900 million pound ish shirt deal this summer. Big companies fall over themselves to fork over hundreds of millions to the most underachieving club in the world, solely so they can market themselves to a worldwide army of glory hunting nobhead social media "fans". Normal clubs can't compete with that, Man United can keep failing in the transfer market forever, then just lob another billion at their shit midfield and still have it consist of Fred and Mctominay but keep on scraping into Europe off the back of a load of dodgy VAR decisions and dumb luck.

[davieG]

37 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

Says it all that on top of getting a larger slice of TV revenues, and cocking about with the champions league format to give them a better chance of getting in, easier time progressing when in it due to historic seeding going back to the year dot plus larger TV revenue again, you've got clubs like Man United who have won nothing for ages (in fact, we've won the league, fa cup and charity shield more recently than they have) signing a 900 million pound ish shirt deal this summer. Big companies fall over themselves to fork over hundreds of millions to the most underachieving club in the world, solely so they can market themselves to a worldwide army of glory hunting nobhead social media "fans". Normal clubs can't compete with that, Man United can keep failing in the transfer market forever, then just lob another billion at their shit midfield and still have it consist of Fred and Mctominay but keep on scraping into Europe off the back of a load of dodgy VAR decisions and dumb luck.

Helped somewhat by Sky and TNT showing back to back replays of rich6 club games.