Israeli and Palestinian conflict

[Tielemans63]

1 hour ago, Spiritwalker said:

I’m astonished by this.

 

 

 

 

 

Rothwell has the internet.

Shocking, but actually true

 

[SpacedX]

2 hours ago, Trumpet said:

He presented a documentary on Afghanistan, think it was on Amazon. Fantastic insight from someone very knowledgable on the subject.

And he's very principled regarding the middle east...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/12/rod-stewart-turns-down-saudi-arabia-gig/

 

...Oh wait. 

[CosbehFox]

7 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

Just been to the gym. Sat down to do a work out which I've saved on YouTube. The advert that preceeded the video was a number saying 'Deaths at the hands of Hamas' and the number was shooting up, accompanied by pictures of those killed by Hamas. The advert was from the Israeli government, claiming that Hamas had declared war on Israel.

 

To be clear, I've never watched a video about this on YouTube. I was minding my own business wanting to follow an abs and obliques workout and I got Israeli propaganda on my phone, in a gym, in Rothwell. I find that quite disturbing. Especially as I'm probably more sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians and yet I'm getting videos justifying the genocide.

Same with X/Twitter, the Israel government with paid for sponsored tweets 

[HarryDee8]

Hope the escalation ends sooner rather then later. Don't want the normal public to be affected by this

 

Edited 15 October 2023 by HarryDee8

[John12345]

On 10/10/2023 at 00:17, MPH said:

 

you also have to remember how many Jewish people have settled all around Europe.  Literally millions and millionsI. Less so in  traditionally Muslim countries of course. I’d also say there’s a tinge  of sympathy/ responsibility remaining from the holocaust, In short, there’s a natural connection.

 

not as eloquently said as I’d like to explain but I’m tired. It’s been a long day.

1.3 million is the current European population of Jewish people

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 hours ago, HarryDee8 said:

This is what happens when you post after getting home from the nightclub.

[StanSP]

 

 

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

 

 

It’s crazy that our government isn’t backing down with some of the rhetoric. Something will happen in the next week which will make the Israeli forces and government look even more dreadful and the government will end up saying they’ve gone too far. 

[Lionator]

6 minutes ago, Lionator said:

It’s crazy that our government isn’t backing down with some of the rhetoric. Something will happen in the next week which will make the Israeli forces and government look even more dreadful and the government will end up saying they’ve gone too far. 

Especially that they’re dying on a hill for an Israeli government which is despised by its own people. 

[Torquay Gunner]

Don't usually watch Trevor Phillip's Sunday morning show, but  just caught a little bit of it.  Quite impressed with journalist Rachel Shabi's take on the crisis.  Whilst acknowledging the terrorism committed by Hamas last weekend, she was fiercely critical of Israel's response. When asked by Phillips why did the Palestinians elect Hamas in 2006, she responded by saying it had to be viewed in the context of decades of occupation/apartheid by Israel.  As there have been no further elections since,  difficult to gauge how much genuine popular support Hamas enjoyed before the catastrophic events of the past week.

[FoxesDeb]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/15/view-from-gaza-i-cant-leave-its-horrific-that-i-have-to-choose-between-my-life-and-my-home

[Collymore]

The government wonder why patriotism is something that is being lost.

 

Forget immigration and other factors people point at, when you read into the history of this conflict, which is pretty recent history,  it's absolutely disgraceful how the Palestinians were treated.

 

Even the official land borders that were painted on by us were ignored by Israel and they took more of it by force. It just seems we never really talk about this in schools or society, just sweep it all under the carpet.

 

What Hamas has done is abhorrent and has ended up killing more of the people who they claim they are fighting for as well innocent Israeles. It's the Israeli and Palestinian peace loving citizens that are the ones that suffer, having to bury their children while the western governments sip their coffee and won't get involved.

 

What an absolute horrific mess this is. 

 

[leicsmac]

The majority of the UK press either ignoring events in Gaza or considering it acceptable "collateral damage", then. I wish I could say I was surprised.

[SpacedX]

48 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Don't usually watch Trevor Phillip's Sunday morning show, but  just caught a little bit of it.  Quite impressed with journalist Rachel Shabi's take on the crisis.  Whilst acknowledging the terrorism committed by Hamas last weekend, she was fiercely critical of Israel's response. When asked by Phillips why did the Palestinians elect Hamas in 2006, she responded by saying it had to be viewed in the context of decades of occupation/apartheid by Israel.  As there have been no further elections since,  difficult to gauge how much genuine popular support Hamas enjoyed before the catastrophic events of the past week.

Hamas's complete control came from a bloody coup d'état and following the Battle of Gaza. Fatah forces were defeated amidst claims that the CIA were planning to arm their cadres. Israel in some perverted sense regarded Hamas as a preferable option to the PA because it meant that they didn't have to abide by the Oslo peace process until the details of a sovereign Palestinian state could be negotiated. While Hamas has been enemy No. 1 in Israeli rhetoric for years, offering a cover for Israel to maintain its blockade and periodically kill hundreds of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, it has also offered Israel an alibi to avoid abiding by its supposed commitment to Palestinian statehood.

 

The destabilisation in the region and the resultant polarisation, division and outrage rippling seismically across the world that we are now seeing was carefully planned and calculated. When they carried out the abominable attacks on October 7th (almost exactly fifty years to the date of the Egypt/Syria offensive in 1973) Hamas leaders knew exactly how Israel would respond. Even the average Joe on this forum could have predicted the war crimes that would be unleashed and the fury that would descend on Gaza. Whilst innocent civilians are picking their dead out of rubble or being buried by apartment blocks, the religious leaders responsible for last weekend's attack are tucked under their silk linen and resting their  heads at night on their quail feather pillows in their safe haven in Doha, lavished by the Qatar government and meanwhile those that pull the strings in Tehran rub their hands. Hamas are cannon fodder, and Gazans are lambs to the slaughter. There is a much bigger political game at stake. 

 

Meanwhile the west watches on/pledges support whilst the lunatic Israeli government continue to turn Gaza to glass. 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, SpacedX said:

Hamas's complete control came from a bloody coup d'état and following the Battle of Gaza. Fatah forces were defeated amidst claims that the CIA were planning to arm their cadres. Israel in some perverted sense regarded Hamas as a preferable option to the PA because it meant that they didn't have to abide by the Oslo peace process until the details of a sovereign Palestinian state could be negotiated. While Hamas has been enemy No. 1 in Israeli rhetoric for years, offering a cover for Israel to maintain its blockade and periodically kill hundreds of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, it has also offered Israel an alibi to avoid abiding by its supposed commitment to Palestinian statehood.

 

The destabilisation in the region and the resultant polarisation, division and outrage rippling seismically across the world that we are now seeing was carefully planned and calculated. When they carried out the abominable attacks on October 7th (almost exactly fifty years to the date of the Egypt/Syria offensive in 1973) Hamas leaders knew exactly how Israel would respond. Even the average Joe on this forum could have predicted the war crimes that would be unleashed and the fury that would descend on Gaza. Whilst innocent civilians are picking their dead out of rubble or being buried by apartment blocks, the religious leaders responsible for last weekend's attack are tucked under their silk linen and resting their  heads at night on their quail feather pillows in their safe haven in Doha, lavished by the Qatar government and meanwhile those that pull the strings in Tehran rub their hands. Hamas are cannon fodder, and Gazans are lambs to the slaughter. There is a much bigger political game at stake. 

 

Meanwhile the west watches on/pledges support whilst the lunatic Israeli government continue to turn Gaza to glass. 

Spot on.

 

A perverse great game.

[Mickyblueeyes]

 

[David Hankey]

There are "lunatics" as you put it on both sides. No side is blameless and the atrocities will continue.

[MPH]

10 hours ago, John12345 said:

1.3 million is the current European population of Jewish people

 

if I remember correctly, it’s about 3m who can claim a Jewish Passport..

[MPH]

2 hours ago, SpacedX said:

, the religious leaders responsible for last weekend's attack are tucked under their silk linen and resting their  heads at night on their quail feather pillows in their safe haven in Doha, lavished by the Qatar government and meanwhile those that pull the strings in Tehran rub their hands. Hamas are cannon fodder, and Gazans are lambs to the slaughter. There is a much bigger political game at stake. 

 

Meanwhile the west watches on/pledges support whilst the lunatic Israeli government continue to turn Gaza to glass. 

 

 

Just to add,  I think the Hamas leaders will be targeted  now and   Mossad will have been directed with the task of taking them out,. they probably were working on that already of course, but id imagine  they’ve  now been promised whatever resources they would need  to complete the task..

Edited 15 October 2023 by MPH

[FoxyPV]

There's a video from Charlie Kirk (gross) surmising that Bibi engineered this to take the attention off of him and the attempted judicial reforms. He states in no world did mossad etc not know what was going on

[Finnegan]

37 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

There's a video from Charlie Kirk (gross) surmising that Bibi engineered this to take the attention off of him and the attempted judicial reforms. He states in no world did mossad etc not know what was going on

 

How on anything do you manage to actually watch Charlie Kirk long enough to know what he's saying.

[Wymsey]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12632681/Fan-appears-shout-f-Palestine-minutes-silence-held-victims-conflict-Israel-Hamas-attacks-ahead-League-Two-clash-Notts-County-Mansfield.html

 

[Lionator]

The questions such as why did Palestinian’s elect Hamas, are so stupid. Why do Israeli’s keep electing far right ethno nationalists who have zero interest in peace? 

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, Lionator said:

The questions such as why did Palestinian’s elect Hamas, are so stupid. Why do Israeli’s keep electing far right ethno nationalists who have zero interest in peace? 

One could only dream of moderates in charge of both Gaza and Israel. 

[CosbehFox]

The amount of money they are spending on things like this.