Bottom 3 PL..How do LCFC prevent this , next season…

[fuchsntf]

2022/23 season Championship..

 

                         Won……….Dr………lost…….pts
1.. Burnley….      29.         14.        3.       101

2…Sheff.utd.      28.          7.        11.      91

3.. Luton.            21.          17.        8.      80…

 

2023/24 season PL..10 games.

18..Luton.            1.          2.           7.        5

19..Burnley.         1.          1            8.        4.

20. sheff.utd       0.          1.           9.        1

 

Burnley at least seemed to be coming up with a decent recent history.

Lost only 3 games, Considered strong manager.

Put what other twists on the other 2..but Sheffield were considered that after

some investment,they could hold their own,in Bottom half..

 

# When do we consider right time to plan for PL-player-investment

# would Mcateer,Fasanwu,Mavididi,Braybrooke,Alves,Cannon,Winks,Justin,Faes

    be the considered remainers,with xx experienced player investment,enough quality

    to avoid a depressing start

 

## can our rebuild plus an evolving Enzo-system,be enough to hold us in good stead

      for a consolidating, 14-10 league position, even a small pleasant suprise

## It’s far too early to consider anything,let’s just enjoy the ride..

## We have faced L’pool twice,with our new aspiring ideas…Can we compete next season

      and make 3rd time lucky..

## Are you desperate for Enzo to stay & carry his ideology further with Leicester..

 

+++Normally I wouldn’t start such a topic…but some of you know my predicament,

1-4yrs…?? Awhile back.

 I am really interested mostly what some of the younger generations take is,

plus obviously the healthier older generation…

## Is this a good platform for a new ,better era,than we have experienced in the short or any of our past,

## do you think we can handle the coming challenge better than the 3 teams above.

## Is this the way to pick up from where we left off,to again have an irritating LCFC actually worrying the big boys…Maybe that ship has sailed..??

## Or are Spurs, & Newcastle, A.Villa now the only realistic clubs,that can compete for a covetted top 6 placing.

 

Edited 30 October 2023 by fuchsntf

[Dan]

Don't weaken our squad like the top two did coming into this season would be a good start. This is hands down the worst trio to ever get promoted. The fact Forest will survive comfortably and Everton will probably survive even if they're docked 12 points is telling.

[Lambert09]

in the kindest possible way, we aren’t even close to what those teams are.  We are already an established premier league side who have dropped down: 

 

Our bounce back should be more similar to what happened with Villa, newcastle or west ham imo. 

 

We won’t have to convince signings anywhere near the same way the others would and we already have a core of established prem-players. 

 

It’s never going to be easy and even more so when the 3 going down will likely be clubs we would be better than (less chance of a surprise drop this year). But our fight won’t be quite so uphill 

[sacreblueits442]

...our system works the better the players we have playing it!!!

There were players we wanted but did not come, such as McAtee,  Archer (Sheff. Untd) Oscar Bobb, and strengthening the Left centre-back with a left-footed player would be a good thing.

  I am sure there is a lot of quality out there for us to pick up and reasonable prices. I have no idea who Burnley had on loan but failed to keep from last year. Loans can get you up but you have to rebuild whilst promoted, the flipside of loaned players.

[KingsX]

## brilliant topic ...

## and a well reasoned set of, rhetorical

     questions, phrased in a way, I knew exactly

     who was the OP ... but beyond silly joking:

## This is absolutely the question some of us are already turning over in our minds.  I can't help worrying about some obvious facts. 

 

- We've been the best team in the division, but absolutely not to the degree that would have made our crazy 13-0-1 record inevitable.  Just check out our xGD (very good, not dominant) = or, if you prefer, use the eye test of the number of serious defensive/GK errors that have gone unpunished at this level.

 

- The financial and quality gap between the PL and EFL is sickeningly wide and continues to grow every year.  Last year's runaway Championship winners, with another incredibly promising new coach, have been getting their asses kicked.  Yikes.

 

- Some guys who fit our new system and have been killing it this season (e.g. Vestergaard) simply do not have the talent to play their positions at the top level, and will have to be replaced.  We don''t have a proven PL striker under contract past June.

 

But conversely, some things look favorable.

 

- We have a few players already proven at PL level.  We have midtable or better staffing and physical infrastructure.

 

- The midfield (leaving out Maddison, who has always been more attacker than mid) is improved.  KDH, formerly inconsistent, is ready.  Winks is a high-end player in his role.  We also have more talent on the wings than in years.

 

- We have a great manager.  And (every bit as important) recruitment that is aligned with him, and has already moved past the absolutely crippling effect Rodgers had on it from day one.

 

FWIW, my optimism outweighs my pessimism.  I am starting to expect we'll be back up, but NOT expecting a cakewalk to staying up.  But I still have some trust in club, restored by what we've been seeing since June.  And it's not like this is ever going to be anything but a roller coaster. 

[Dan]

Mind you one point every three games between them  ****ing hell fire. Absolute disgrace. Even three of those ten were Burnley beating Luton.

[Pick Good Name Later]

I was having one of these ‘silly’ and somewhat ‘childish’ debates (well, for a grown ass bloke anyway) with a forest fan at work on the quality of our respective squads. 

 

I think the ‘pull’ of Leicester being more of an established name will support the transition compared to that of the three promoted teams. 
 

I’m not of the belief we have a squad that by right is a top 10 squad. Even a top 12 squad going into the next season.

 

Should we get promoted, next seasons PL is going to be stronger than this season. We go into it without a recognised 12/15 goal striker for the top level. A keeper that looks competent but untested. A centre back trio that will need replacing in its entirety. And wingers that will need to increase their output.

 

Average PL teams (Brentford, Forest, WHU, Wolves etc) arguably have stronger squads than us currently. 
 

With this said, we have an identity of playing, a manager with competence, a midfield that half of the PL would appreciate and the experience to navigate the rigours of the league.

 

Next season will be really tough. And IMO a fight to the end. Are we going to be in the same position as a Burnley/Sheff U/Luton - I don’t believe so. But that calibre of team in the PL next season won’t exist. 
 

Nice topic 👍🏻
 

 

Edited 30 October 2023 by Pick Good Name Later

[Metal Lover]

We will struggle if we go up, have no doubt.

[Foxmeister]

Next season's PL could have the same teams as last season. I wonder if that's ever happened before?

[coolhandfox]

We still have a core of players who have already shown they can play at PL level and have plenty of PL experience.

 

Vardy, Justin, Ricardo, Nacho, Ndidi (if they both stay) have all played in seasons we finished in the top 5.

 

The likes of Vestergaard (if he's stays), Faes, Souttar, Coady, KDH have all played in the PL.

 

I'd imagine if you add up our PL apps they are more the Burnley, Sheffield U and Luton combined.

 

We have option to buy on 2 out of our 4 loan players, Burnley lost most of theirs

 

We have massively reduced our wage bill and transfer amortisation, I can see us spending 50m-70m to strengthen.

 

Enough to sprinkle some star dust on the squad.

 

We have a lot more pulling power in the PL then those 3 and probably most of the bottom 8 when we return

 

Think we will do fine, pretty confident, he we recuit in the same vain as this summer.

 

All 3 promoted team had poor windows.

 

Edited 30 October 2023 by coolhandfox

[Heathrow fox]

The bottom three are highly likely to have the lowest wage bills by quite some way.I would imagine that next year’s squad will get a competitive budget.Considerably more than Luton Burnley and Sheffield United.

[Gazza M]

A rare year last season when the 3 promoted teams were decent. This year not so. Sheffield Utd are a joke let's face it. 

 

It will be a rude awakening early doors for us next season if we go up as it always is to begin with as we are used to every striker needing 3 bites at the cherry first. Not so at the top level.

[FoxTimmy2]

The difference between promotion and relegation you ask?

 

 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

We will probably become a yo-yo club, I’m not saying we’ll go down next season (if we’re up) however I think we’ll become one of them mid to lower table teams flirting with relegation each season with 40pts the goal.

 

[Koke]

With respect to those clubs, we are a lot bigger club than them. We have a bigger pull and we're an established name. Enzo in the top flight is an unknown quantity but I think we'll be okay if we actually recruit well. Meaning don't rely on Vestergaard and Faes as your CB pairing against Premier League attackers.

[Out Foxed]

wtf is that formatting

[fuchsntf]

4 minutes ago, Out Foxed said:

wtf is that formatting

WTF are you on about.. 

[Sampson]

Burnley were also a “bounce back” established PL side who also eased the league and looked like they’d break the points record until they took their foot off the gas after being promoted with so many games to spare.

 

I’m not convinced it’s going to be that simple. I mean, Ndidi looked out of his depth at PL for the past 2 seasons and now he’s suddenly making it look easy. Ditto Faes and Vestegaard. Vardy looked past it at PL level but still banging them in here. Many were unsure about whether KDH was really PL quality last season, now he’s got the most goal contributions in the division. There’s a lot of players who didn’t look at all convincing last season who are destroying this league. I’m not so sure they’re suddenly going to be good PL players now when we go up.
 

And let’s be honest, take Maddison and Barnes out the side last season and we would’ve scored about half the goals we did and been cut adrift at the bottom by a long way, they were the only 2 creating and scoring goals last season and we’ve not really replaced them yet. 
 

I do think we’ll need some serious investment in the spine of the team if we go up, especially in attacking/creative areas. Don’t think we’ll stay up with ease as some are suggesting. I think like Burnley, this current side would struggle to create and score at PL level.

Edited 30 October 2023 by Sampson

[Motty]

6 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

2022/23 season Championship..

 

                         Won……….Dr………lost…….pts
1.. Burnley….      29.         14.        3.       101

2…Sheff.utd.      28.          7.        11.      91

3.. Luton.            21.          17.        8.      80…

 

2023/24 season PL..10 games.

18..Luton.            1.          2.           7.        5

19..Burnley.         1.          1            8.        4.

20. sheff.utd       0.          0.           9.        1

 

Burnley at least seemed to be coming up with a decent recent history.

Lost only 3 games, Considered strong manager.

Put what other twists on the other 2..but Sheffield were considered that after

some investment,they could hold their own,in Bottom half..

 

# When do we consider right time to plan for PL-player-investment

# would Mcateer,Fasanwu,Mavididi,Braybrooke,Alves,Cannon,Winks,Justin,Faes

    be the considered remainers,with xx experienced player investment,enough quality

    to avoid a depressing start

 

## can our rebuild plus an evolving Enzo-system,be enough to hold us in good stead

      for a consolidating, 14-10 league position, even a small pleasant suprise

## It’s far too early to consider anything,let’s just enjoy the ride..

## We have faced L’pool twice,with our new aspiring ideas…Can we compete next season

      and make 3rd time lucky..

## Are you desperate for Enzo to stay & carry his ideology further with Leicester..

 

+++Normally I wouldn’t start such a topic…but some of you know my predicament,

1-4yrs…?? Awhile back.

 I am really interested mostly what some of the younger generations take is,

plus obviously the healthier older generation…

## Is this a good platform for a new ,better era,than we have experienced in the short or any of our past,

## do you think we can handle the coming challenge better than the 3 teams above.

## Is this the way to pick up from where we left off,to again have an irritating LCFC actually worrying the big boys…Maybe that ship has sailed..??

## Or are Spurs, & Newcastle, A.Villa now the only realistic clubs,that can compete for a covetted top 6 placing.

 

It's a bit premature for this discussion

[fuchsntf]

3 minutes ago, Motty said:

It's a bit premature for this discussion

Read..!! AND TAKE PART, you miserable Motty.. I am asking the question cos, I might not get to see, well timed ideas or responses... 

AND I see fit to ask the questions now, because I like premature debate, being put on the table.. TO ilk out those deep thoughts the fans already have, simply because others have mentioned/discussed/opened up, indirectly... in other posts. 

AND look at the question again.. and possible or potential implications, 

For promoted sides..from to any of the 4 leagues.. 

 

Go on, be a nice guy, and see if you can spot the various challenges,that will become for some clubs impossible to even compete in old traditional ways. 

Win a goldfish if you dare.. 

[CosbehFox]

Spend very big on a mobile centre back 

[Mike1983]

The current gap between the championship and premier league is just immense. I wouldn’t get too used to having 70% ball control every game, will be a different story once we get promoted.

[Harboro]

the 3 teams that came up the season before all stayed up, and to be fair to brrnley the last team to come up with 100+pts did also spend a lot of time in the rlgtion zone before eventually escaping

[UniFox21]

33 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Burnley were also a “bounce back” established PL side who also eased the league and looked like they’d break the points record until they took their foot off the gas after being promoted with so many games to spare.

 

I’m not convinced it’s going to be that simple. I mean, Ndidi looked out of his depth at PL for the past 2 seasons and now he’s suddenly making it look easy. Ditto Faes and Vestegaard. Vardy looked past it at PL level but still hanging them in here. Many were unsure about whether KDH was really PL quality last season, now he’s got the most goal contributions in the division. There’s a lot of players who didn’t look at all convincing last season who are destroying this league. I’m not so sure they’re suddenly going to be good PL players now when we go up.
 

And let’s be honest, take Maddison and Barnes out the side last season and we would’ve scored about half the goals we did and been cut adrift at the bottom by a long way, they were the only 2 creating and scoring goals last season and we’ve not really replaced them yet. 
 

I do think we’ll need some serious investment in the spine of the team if we go up, especially in attacking/creative areas. Don’t think we’ll stay up with ease as some are suggesting. I think like Burnley, this current side would struggle to create and score at PL level.

We're going to need serious investment in established players to be able to stay up. Especially with our style of play, we're going to need to be street smart.

[Finnegan]

I'm genuinely not even vaguely worried. 

 

We'd beat most of the bottom four or five now. We're a better side currently, we'll probably have the finances to invest properly when we go up, we've shown signs that we've turned a corner in terms of our transfer intelligence and we've got a significantly better coaching team than any of last year's promoted sides. 

 

I wouldn't swap Enzo for Kompany in a month or Sundays and I'd bet my house right now that he goes on to have a far more impressive career. 

 

More chance of us going back up and being top half than getting relegated and I mean that sincerely.