Leicester 'could face points deduction next season'

[Foxin_Mad]

48 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

And they easily cover those interest payments because they generate many hundreds of millions in commercial income 

 

it’s just basic business

debt is fine if you have a lot of income 

 

They dont need to have that debt though.

 

Basic business is also if you want to invest 50 million and make a loss for 3 years to make your business more successful you can, but PSR stops this. 

 

So really only the historical big clubs who could grow commercial revenue when restrictions didn't exist can compete.

 

Seems legit 'Fair' to me!

[orangecity23]

I'd allow any fake sponsorship you like, but with a max value capped at whatever Man Utd have conned some chumps into paying. So if "fox leisure" want to pay us 90 million a year to make our kits, then that is tickety boo.

 

Alternatively, if the league want to deem what fair value is for sponsorship deals, then whatever they say about us or a small club should cap the amount that Coca-Cola Chester united and pepsipool can actually spend on their squad out of their squilluon pound official logistics/car/face cream/VPN partner deals. 90 million for your kits? Cool. You get to spend 10 million from that. Spend the rest on fixing your leaky roof or on a spiffy new waistcoat for Uncle Bulgaria Radcliffe when he's wombling free about Carrington harassing the minimum wage staff about not home working and why he deserves a free stadium.

[Chrysalis]

8 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

They dont need to have that debt though.

 

Basic business is also if you want to invest 50 million and make a loss for 3 years to make your business more successful you can, but PSR stops this. 

 

So really only the historical big clubs who could grow commercial revenue when restrictions didn't exist can compete.

 

Seems legit 'Fair' to me!

FFP is effectively a legalised cartel, not sure why albans is defending it.

[Gamble92]

9 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

They dont need to have that debt though.

 

Basic business is also if you want to invest 50 million and make a loss for 3 years to make your business more successful you can, but PSR stops this. 

 

So really only the historical big clubs who could grow commercial revenue when restrictions didn't exist can compete.

 

Seems legit 'Fair' to me!

You only had to hear Radcliffe's interview to see how they interpret their own clubs. We owe them everything for the brand of the Premier League being like it is in their eyes. 

 

It's even more unbelievable in the case of Spurs, Man City and even Chelsea that they just through circumstances at that specific time become one of those big clubs and now they'll seemingly forever be protected by rules like this to keep them there. 

[Sly]

If we lose the appeal, do we go all Manchester City and send it to the court of arbitration for sport?
 

Can you imagine the fallout if they overturned it and classed it as restriction of completion! Forest, Everton etc would have a field day! 

[Richard]

With KDH going in last year's accounts it would seem we are compliant for 2023/24. As it stands we've added to our amortisation for 2024/25: 

 

Golding initial £3m on 5 year deal (£600k on the books)

Decordova Reid £0

Okoli £13m on 5 year deal (£2.6m on the books)

Assuming Fatawu ~£14m on 5 year deal (£2.8m on the books)

 

We still have Daka, Souttar, Kristiansen, Faes, Soumare, Hermansen, Coady, Winks, Mavididi and Cannon transfer fees on the books also. Id say that's around £20m-£25m per year. 

 

All guesswork but assuming our wage bill is in a better position with Amartey, Soyuncu, Kasper, Albrighton, Barnes, Maddison, Evans, Praet, Iheanacho PL wages all off the books we might have room for 1 more signing without any outgoings this year. 

[CosbehFox]

49 minutes ago, Sly said:

If we lose the appeal, do we go all Manchester City and send it to the court of arbitration for sport?
 

Can you imagine the fallout if they overturned it and classed it as restriction of completion! Forest, Everton etc would have a field day! 

PL membership strikes out the ability to use CAS for such matters 

[Leicesterpool]

What happens if clubs like ourselves everton, forest who faced points deduction refused to play our fixtures... effs up premier league. I know its automatic forfit of points to opposition team and possible fine. But it would muck up sky sports and bt schedule. Like imagine, man city v leicester an hour before kick off its announced leicester refuse to play. Everton v Chelsea selected for sky, everton refuse to play. Id be interested to see the outcome. Tv companies would pressure the premier league get these games on.

[TheGoldenGod]

16 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

What happens if clubs like ourselves everton, forest who faced points deduction refused to play our fixtures... effs up premier league. I know its automatic forfit of points to opposition team and possible fine. But it would muck up sky sports and bt schedule. Like imagine, man city v leicester an hour before kick off its announced leicester refuse to play. Everton v Chelsea selected for sky, everton refuse to play. Id be interested to see the outcome. Tv companies would pressure the premier league get these games on.

I suggested something similar as a protest a month or so back but got criticized for even suggesting it. Put it this way, if we get hit with a 12 point deduction, its over, insurmountable! Wouldn't even be worth playing the games. 4 extra wins on top of the wins we'd usually need to stay up, crazy.

[ClaphamFox]

25 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

I suggested something similar as a protest a month or so back but got criticized for even suggesting it. Put it this way, if we get hit with a 12 point deduction, its over, insurmountable! Wouldn't even be worth playing the games. 4 extra wins on top of the wins we'd usually need to stay up, crazy.

We are not going to be hit with a 12-point deduction.

[ealingfox]

 

Life under Big Johnny Rudkin

 

[Richard]

6 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Life under Big Johnny Rudkin

 

The mixture of currencies in that tweet makes me doubt the validity of it. Apparently we've already offered him €4.6m and are now increasing it more? When he's only demanding €4m? I know we're a bit incompetent at contracts but I doubt even we'd do that 

[Trav Le Bleu]

23 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

We are not going to be hit with a 12-point deduction.

Ok, 15 point deduction

[Trav Le Bleu]

23 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

We are not going to be hit with a 12-point deduction.

 

30 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Ok, 15 point deduction

Joking aside, what would be the maximum points you could deduct from a team and not make them just think, "soddit, we've got no chance," and just throw in the towel, thereby heavily affecting the league's balance?

 

I think 10 has to be the absolute maximum.

[coolhandfox]

2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

 

Joking aside, what would be the maximum points you could deduct from a team and not make them just think, "soddit, we've got no chance," and just throw in the towel, thereby heavily affecting the league's balance?

 

I think 10 has to be the absolute maximum.

We will get 8 maximum, but 6 more likely.

Edited 11 July 2024 by coolhandfox

[CrazyKopCorner]

5 hours ago, ealingfox said:

 

Life under Big Johnny Rudkin

 

FM I wish I could negotiate at work with Jonny R - I only got a measly 7% pay rise this year 

[AKCJ]

5 hours ago, ealingfox said:

 

Life under Big Johnny Rudkin

 

Think it's quite clear that this FosseHub fellow doesn't know his arse from his elbow and isn't to be listened to.

[Trav Le Bleu]

9 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Think it's quite clear that this FosseHub fellow doesn't know his arse from his elbow and isn't to be listened to.

So...

 

Are you saying...

 

FosseHub is....

 

Jon Rudkin! 

[FoxesWalk]

 

I hate this league. The top level of club football is in such a dire state. 

[st albans fox]

11 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said:

 

I hate this league. The top level of club football is in such a dire state. 

Incredible 

and no doubt will be waved through just like the hotel sale ……

[Trav Le Bleu]

Wait....

 

We have a women's team...

[Danizen]

9 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Wait....

 

We have a women's team...

But if we did it, it would be a step too far. The league would have to clamp down on things like this....if we did it.

[st albans fox]

9 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Wait....

 

We have a women's team...

If Chelsea can justify 200m for theirs then we could probably manage 20m for ours.  I’m not sure how much of the 200m is considered clean profit though. Could be that we wouldn’t be much better off if we sold ours in the same way as they did. 

[adam]

Chelsea are grim and taking the piss with  this PSR nonsense.

 

Makes a complete mockery of the rules.

 

They will also get away with it.

[Claudio Fannieri]

Hopefully these blatant floundering of the rules make it so farcical that it aides our defence and we end up with minimal deduction or that our case is dismissed and both Forest and Everton are awarded their points back from last season. 
 

These actions whilst not a direct breach are making an utter mockery of the system. I would imagine a very good sports lawyer such as a Nick DiMarco would drive a bus through it.