Would you support us in a breakaway league with an online streaming service?

[Sly]

When the Premier League broke away from the football league in the early 90s, it changed the landscape of English football. 

 

Sport at its heart should be competitive and for the people, allowing any one competing a chance to win. Everyone loves an under dog story and it’s why we will go down as one the greatest fairy tail stories in sporting history. 

 

However I actually think the PSR rules could be the straw the broke the camels back. They are creating a massive divide in what clubs can spend and it’s further pulling apart the greedy six, even from the chasing pack of teams like Aston Villa, Newcastle, West Ham etc, as they aren’t allowed to invest to try and catch up with the likes of Manchester City. The rules crippled us (alongside some poor management) and even with us tightening our belts, we’re set for an uncertain future in terms of financial income and potentially being almost sentenced to relegation from the league before we start with a points deduction. 

 

Could this unfair playing field, initiate clubs to start conversations on a breakaway league with its own streaming service? 
 

We’ve seen it happen in other sports over the years and some have flourished, some haven’t. The IPL has been a major success but that rocked a major boat.
 

It would need to featured promotion and relegation, some form of salary cap to make it competitive maybe, allow clubs from any league to join, whilst not restricting outside investment, every game kicking off at 12:00 on a Saturday to avoid the watershed rule, thus allowing people to watch local football at 15:00 if they wanted to! 
 

Maybe allowing other non English teams to join a league setup might take the sting away from us being booted out of European competitions as well? Would you want us to play Celtic, Parma  or Sevilla? Maybe a nice trip to Brugge in a relegation decider? Or a League title decider to Forest, or even Rangers? 
 

It’s almost like the European Super League but booting out the teams that are perceived to get the favourable treatment I guess! 
 

Would you support it, or would it be a further nail in footballs coffin? 

[Aus Fox]

12 minutes ago, Sly said:

When the Premier League broke away from the football league in the early 90s, it changed the landscape of English football. 

 

Sport at its heart should be competitive and for the people, allowing any one competing a chance to win. Everyone loves an under dog story and it’s why we will go down as one the greatest fairy tail stories in sporting history. 

 

However I actually think the PSR rules could be the straw the broke the camels back. They are creating a massive divide in what clubs can spend and it’s further pulling apart the greedy six, even from the chasing pack of teams like Aston Villa, Newcastle, West Ham etc, as they aren’t allowed to invest to try and catch up with the likes of Manchester City. The rules crippled us (alongside some poor management) and even with us tightening our belts, we’re set for an uncertain future in terms of financial income and potentially being almost sentenced to relegation from the league before we start with a points deduction. 

 

Could this unfair playing field, initiate clubs to start conversations on a breakaway league with its own streaming service? 
 

We’ve seen it happen in other sports over the years and some have flourished, some haven’t. The IPL has been a major success but that rocked a major boat.
 

It would need to featured promotion and relegation, some form of salary cap to make it competitive maybe, allow clubs from any league to join, whilst not restricting outside investment, every game kicking off at 12:00 on a Saturday to avoid the watershed rule, thus allowing people to watch local football at 15:00 if they wanted to! 
 

Maybe allowing other non English teams to join a league setup might take the sting away from us being booted out of European competitions as well? Would you want us to play Celtic, Parma  or Sevilla? Maybe a nice trip to Brugge in a relegation decider? Or a League title decider to Forest, or even Rangers? 
 

It’s almost like the European Super League but booting out the teams that are perceived to get the favourable treatment I guess! 
 

Would you support it, or would it be a further nail in footballs coffin? 

 Nah couldn’t support that, even if you got rid of the big 6, eventually in the world we live in, 4 or 5 teams would amass more money and control all of the power in the league and we’d be back to square one. 

The English football pyramid needs a strong league structure from top to bottom, i think it would be better for the game if they just brought in a straightforward spending cap.

In the Premier League you can spend x number of pounds on all football outlays - coaching, players transfer fees etc. per season, in the championship it’s a little less and so on down.

Whatever the % difference is between the spending of two divisions, every relegated player automatically has their contract adjusted by that amount - no club has any unfair advantage, and players might just fight a bit more at the end of the season.

You could have all players that have played 3 or more years in the academy outside of the spending model if you really wanted to encourage growth and player development.

[Saxondale]

We should be looking extremely closely at the Bundesliga. They seem to have the model spot on.

 

* Fans have majority voting rights

* Tickets are cheap as chips

* Big teams can - and do - get relegated 

* Well-organised, subsidised travel to games

[Torten]

No, push for reform of the current system. However unlikely that may be...

[TeamRocket]

I would if it means saving football don't think will have issue getting streaming service with netflix and amazon wanting to invest in sports

[Wymsey]

1 hour ago, Saxondale said:

We should be looking extremely closely at the Bundesliga. They seem to have the model spot on.

 

* Fans have majority voting rights

* Tickets are cheap as chips

* Big teams can - and do - get relegated 

* Well-organised, subsidised travel to games

Agreed.

Have been always fond of how that league is run and that fans can have a say on certain aspects.

 

But in this country, fans are customers really.

Edited 22 March by Wymsey

[dr.o.ball]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

When the Premier League broke away from the football league in the early 90s, it changed the landscape of English football. 

 

Sport at its heart should be competitive and for the people, allowing any one competing a chance to win. Everyone loves an under dog story and it’s why we will go down as one the greatest fairy tail stories in sporting history. 

 

However I actually think the PSR rules could be the straw the broke the camels back. They are creating a massive divide in what clubs can spend and it’s further pulling apart the greedy six, even from the chasing pack of teams like Aston Villa, Newcastle, West Ham etc, as they aren’t allowed to invest to try and catch up with the likes of Manchester City. The rules crippled us (alongside some poor management) and even with us tightening our belts, we’re set for an uncertain future in terms of financial income and potentially being almost sentenced to relegation from the league before we start with a points deduction. 

 

Could this unfair playing field, initiate clubs to start conversations on a breakaway league with its own streaming service? 
 

We’ve seen it happen in other sports over the years and some have flourished, some haven’t. The IPL has been a major success but that rocked a major boat.
 

It would need to featured promotion and relegation, some form of salary cap to make it competitive maybe, allow clubs from any league to join, whilst not restricting outside investment, every game kicking off at 12:00 on a Saturday to avoid the watershed rule, thus allowing people to watch local football at 15:00 if they wanted to! 
 

Maybe allowing other non English teams to join a league setup might take the sting away from us being booted out of European competitions as well? Would you want us to play Celtic, Parma  or Sevilla? Maybe a nice trip to Brugge in a relegation decider? Or a League title decider to Forest, or even Rangers? 
 

It’s almost like the European Super League but booting out the teams that are perceived to get the favourable treatment I guess! 
 

Would you support it, or would it be a further nail in footballs coffin? 

Brilliant idea. Areed that another 6 clubs would rise to the top, such as is now, but the Premier League has been the pinnacle of World football for over 30 years and its taken that long to go tits up. You'd get a good 20 years based on this Idea.

[Happy Fox]

Maybe we will see a premier league 2 or an expanded premier league..

[Blackstarr]

1 hour ago, Saxondale said:

We should be looking extremely closely at the Bundesliga. They seem to have the model spot on.

 

* Fans have majority voting rights

* Tickets are cheap as chips

* Big teams can - and do - get relegated 

* Well-organised, subsidised travel to games

* Dominated by one team and completely boring to watch 

[Sir Steve Howard]

10 minutes ago, Blackstarr said:

* Dominated by one team and completely boring to watch 

Some would counter this by saying Leverkusen are going to win it this year but your point still stands.

Highly likely Bayern will be swooping in for their manager and best player(s) come the end of the season.

Worst thing about the Bundesliga is that as soon as any team gets close to Bayern they raid them for their best assets and nobody can do anything about it

[ARTY_FOX]

Nah, we need reform though. 

[tinpot_fox]

Should be about a club providing proof that they won’t go bankrupt from their spending, conversations about where the money comes from aside.

[Fox92]

No. Plus every game kicking off at 12 is horrendous. 

 

A reform is needed though. There's far to much money in the Premier League and has been for the past 10/15/20 years.

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, Saxondale said:

We should be looking extremely closely at the Bundesliga. They seem to have the model spot on.

 

* Fans have majority voting rights

* Tickets are cheap as chips

* Big teams can - and do - get relegated 

* Well-organised, subsidised travel to games

I agree with the above points and it would nice to have a say in the league/at the club, and also better travel to games, but Bayern still dominate that league. The odd year we see a Dortmund or, this year, Leverkusen win the league but Bayern end up taking the best players (and maybe this year the best manager too). I'd rather see a more open league.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

4 hours ago, Sly said:

When the Premier League broke away from the football league in the early 90s, it changed the landscape of English football. 

 

Sport at its heart should be competitive and for the people, allowing any one competing a chance to win. Everyone loves an under dog story and it’s why we will go down as one the greatest fairy tail stories in sporting history. 

 

However I actually think the PSR rules could be the straw the broke the camels back. They are creating a massive divide in what clubs can spend and it’s further pulling apart the greedy six, even from the chasing pack of teams like Aston Villa, Newcastle, West Ham etc, as they aren’t allowed to invest to try and catch up with the likes of Manchester City. The rules crippled us (alongside some poor management) and even with us tightening our belts, we’re set for an uncertain future in terms of financial income and potentially being almost sentenced to relegation from the league before we start with a points deduction. 

 

Could this unfair playing field, initiate clubs to start conversations on a breakaway league with its own streaming service? 
 

We’ve seen it happen in other sports over the years and some have flourished, some haven’t. The IPL has been a major success but that rocked a major boat.
 

It would need to featured promotion and relegation, some form of salary cap to make it competitive maybe, allow clubs from any league to join, whilst not restricting outside investment, every game kicking off at 12:00 on a Saturday to avoid the watershed rule, thus allowing people to watch local football at 15:00 if they wanted to! 
 

Maybe allowing other non English teams to join a league setup might take the sting away from us being booted out of European competitions as well? Would you want us to play Celtic, Parma  or Sevilla? Maybe a nice trip to Brugge in a relegation decider? Or a League title decider to Forest, or even Rangers? 
 

It’s almost like the European Super League but booting out the teams that are perceived to get the favourable treatment I guess! 
 

Would you support it, or would it be a further nail in footballs coffin? 

Crazy concept, but we could try not breaking the rules instead.

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, Saxondale said:

We should be looking extremely closely at the Bundesliga. They seem to have the model spot on.

 

* Fans have majority voting rights

* Tickets are cheap as chips

* Big teams can - and do - get relegated 

* Well-organised, subsidised travel to games

I would underpin majorly that its because fans are willing to be at the centre of it. 

 

That can be us and can you - but fans need to start putting the time in and start collectively uniting. 

[davieG]

As I understand it the PL league needs 14 teams to approve any changes, my question is how have the 'have nots' allowed this to happen?.

 

LCFC can be charged with its contribution of guilt by voting for overseas revenues to be split unevenly with the Greedy 6 getting the lion's share, maybe they had illusions of grandeur

 

Any changes need to be made within.

[5waller5]

3 hours ago, Saxondale said:

We should be looking extremely closely at the Bundesliga. They seem to have the model spot on.

 

* Fans have majority voting rights

* Tickets are cheap as chips

* Big teams can - and do - get relegated 

* Well-organised, subsidised travel to games

They do seem to have a better structure, but I don’t know too much about how they’ve achieved it? How are their rules different?

 

Apart from fan shared ownership - which is the big stumbling block as it means changing ownership structures of some big organisations here 

[Sir Steve Howard]

3 minutes ago, davieG said:

As I understand it the PL league needs 14 teams to approve any changes, my question is how have the 'have nots' allowed this to happen?.

 

LCFC can be charged with its contribution of guilt by voting for overseas revenues to be split unevenly with the Greedy 6 getting the lion's share, maybe they had illusions of grandeur

 

Any changes need to be made within.

It's greed amongst the 'have nots'. We're definitely included in this.

Some of the non 'big 6' think they can become one of the big boys and start voting accordingly, when in actual fact it's turkeys voting for christmas. You're only one bad season from the drop, as we know all too well.

Look at the recent vote that failed for money distribution down to the football league, Forest voted against it despite being in a relegation scrap and a points deduction round the corner. Madness.

[grobyfox1990]

3 hours ago, Saxondale said:

We should be looking extremely closely at the Bundesliga. They seem to have the model spot on.

 

* Fans have majority voting rights

* Tickets are cheap as chips

* Big teams can - and do - get relegated 

* Well-organised, subsidised travel to games

All true. Counter to that is the British culture does not allow us to organise, develop and take action on a mass scale. We’re too middle class, comfortable and lazy.

Also their league is pointless. Bayern domination interspersed with a surprise package like leverkusen before Bayern raid them and dominate again. We’d all be whinging about ‘the big 1 domination’ within days 

[Trav Le Bleu]

I'd support "the big 6" getting their own league so we can have proper football, instead of celebrity exhibitions.

[Saxondale]

2 hours ago, Blackstarr said:

* Dominated by one team and completely boring to watch 

Bayer Leverkusen are likely going to win this year.

[Blackstarr]

Just now, Saxondale said:

Bayer Leverkusen are likely going to win this year.

Right. And how many times will they have won it compared to Bayern in the last 20 years? You know as well as I do that Bayern will come for their manager and best players in due course. The bundasliga isn’t anything to envy 

[Ric Flair]

In any such new league what would be the rules to ensure what's currently happening doesn't happen again?

 

No limitation of investment? 

[leatherhead32]

5 hours ago, Sly said:

When the Premier League broke away from the football league in the early 90s, it changed the landscape of English football. 

 

Sport at its heart should be competitive and for the people, allowing any one competing a chance to win. Everyone loves an under dog story and it’s why we will go down as one the greatest fairy tail stories in sporting history. 

 

However I actually think the PSR rules could be the straw the broke the camels back. They are creating a massive divide in what clubs can spend and it’s further pulling apart the greedy six, even from the chasing pack of teams like Aston Villa, Newcastle, West Ham etc, as they aren’t allowed to invest to try and catch up with the likes of Manchester City. The rules crippled us (alongside some poor management) and even with us tightening our belts, we’re set for an uncertain future in terms of financial income and potentially being almost sentenced to relegation from the league before we start with a points deduction. 

 

Could this unfair playing field, initiate clubs to start conversations on a breakaway league with its own streaming service? 
 

We’ve seen it happen in other sports over the years and some have flourished, some haven’t. The IPL has been a major success but that rocked a major boat.
 

It would need to featured promotion and relegation, some form of salary cap to make it competitive maybe, allow clubs from any league to join, whilst not restricting outside investment, every game kicking off at 12:00 on a Saturday to avoid the watershed rule, thus allowing people to watch local football at 15:00 if they wanted to! 
 

Maybe allowing other non English teams to join a league setup might take the sting away from us being booted out of European competitions as well? Would you want us to play Celtic, Parma  or Sevilla? Maybe a nice trip to Brugge in a relegation decider? Or a League title decider to Forest, or even Rangers? 
 

It’s almost like the European Super League but booting out the teams that are perceived to get the favourable treatment I guess! 
 

Would you support it, or would it be a further nail in footballs coffin? 

not with all the downsides sadly no , but i was v happy when the so called big 6 were set to go and i think they and 3 or 4 more who fancy emsens as BIG IE VILLE NEWCASTLE everton west ham in time to come will join a euro league which will leave us and rest to a competitive league again, its 4me rangers celtic benfica sporting porto ajax feyenoord ect who would benefit as v dominant in own leagues and  i guess,  and our said bunch real barca milans ect who are greedy but it could be great for clubs after we wave em off.