Percy article enzo set to stay, vardy and vesty new deals

[foxinsocks]

34 minutes ago, Babylon said:

My viewpoint is that players are "tried" every day in training. Seeing them in the team is nothing more than satisfying ourselves of thier ability. The manager should already know without that. 

Well enzo has played nelson (thru belief or necessity?)... but to progress nelson or any other young player needs minutes .

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Yes you're right mate more of this on a player with no resale value is the height of good budgeting

 

And that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Firstly, he won't be earning that. Secondly, if he leaves we have to pay the wages of someone coming in, as well as a fee. 

 

If you think we already need two centre backs, if he leaves we need three. So if there is a £20m budget for new centre backs, it then gets diluted even further, because it's being spent on three and not two. 

 

If money is no object, then he leaves and we get better players in. But we aren't living in some alternate reality, we have to get the most from every penny in terms of quality. 

[themightyfin]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Enzo is aware we need to add pace in to the back line, he's referenced it several times. What's curious is he knows this and yet the two defensive signings under his watch last season are pretty slow in Doyle and Coady. Both's lack of pace was used as a reason for them not playing as much with Vestergaard and Faes.

 

He probably thought their other qualities were more important at the time and maybe so but the PL in a possession based system and with defending a high line will require 2 of the 4 to be quick at least. I can see why we have been linked with this Gabriel Pereira and likewise Nathan Zeze. 

 

The promising thing is Ben Nelson for his size is very mobile so in time I think he has a major role at Leicester under this regime.

Nelson definitely breaks through this season.

Massive season for him and I have no doubt Enzo will be looking to bring  more pace in at the back.

But play the right system and pace is not the be all and end all, certainly not in an Enzo system.

 

Interestingly another defender we have been keeping  tabs on, Eiran Cashin is also not blessed with pace but is known more for his vision,quick thinking and short quick  passing abilities.

Seems to fit the Enzo mould. 

Maybe Nelson will give that extra mobility required. 

[coolhandfox]

People can't seem to get their heads around something very simple.

 

Vestergaard is going to cost us a signing on fee and a wage.

 

A new CB is going to cost us a transfer fee, sign on fee and a wage.

 

We are going to lose as it stands if rumours are true Doyle, Nacho, Praet, Akgun, Albrighton and Ndidi.

 

That's 6 players in the squad we need to replace, we are already committed to signing Fatawu.

 

So that's 7 incoming players we have to fund! If we don't resign Vardy and Vestergaard that's up to 9. 

 

Finding money to sign 9 is unlikely.

 

Resigning Vestergaard is a cheaper option.

Edited 15 May 2024 by coolhandfox

[ealingfox]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

And that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Firstly, he won't be earning that. Secondly, if he leaves we have to pay the wages of someone coming in, as well as a fee. 

 

If you think we already need two centre backs, if he leaves we need three. So if there is a £20m budget for new centre backs, it then gets diluted even further, because it's being spent on three and not two. 

 

If money is no object, then he leaves and we get better players in. But we aren't living in some alternate reality, we have to get the most from every penny in terms of quality. 

 

1. But how do you KNOW he won't be earning that? Sorry but given the last set of accounts there cant be any benefit of the doubt that they're not giving out stupid deals.

 

If we're bringing in 2 CBs then they should be better than him and he therefore won't be playing unless it's emergency cover. So say thanks and good luck and give that spot to Nelson. Your 20m budget retained in full for just 2 players with a healthy saving on wages. Simples.

[Frank Large's Black Book]

We'll deffo re-sign JV

 

But which one?

[davieG]

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-coach-gives-big-9284407

 

Leicester City coach gives big update on Enzo Maresca's future
Marcos Alvarez, who followed Maresca from Parma to the King Power Stadium, has spoken about the Italian's future amid speculation around a move back to his old club Sevilla

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ByJordan Blackwell
16:01, 14 MAY 2024

Enzo Maresca’s Leicester City fitness coach has shot down speculation the Italian manager could leave the King Power Stadium for Sevilla.

Maresca’s future is one of the hot topics at City this summer after he aired his frustrations over aspects of the club’s organisation and with those close to him suggesting he would “consider his options” if changes weren’t made to the decision-making offices. Plus, Sevilla are set to appoint a new manager this summer and had Maresca, a two-time Uefa Cup winner with them, on their shortlist.

However, Marcos Alvarez, City’s first-team fitness coach who arrived with Maresca last year having worked with him at Parma, said his full focus is on City. He did not rule out Maresca joining Sevilla in the future, but it won’t be this summer.

 

“We are focused on Leicester and right now there is no other option,” Alvarez told Canal Sur Radio in Spain. “He loves Sevilla, just like the Sevillistas love him because he has been very important in the history of the club. I imagine that their paths will cross (in the future).”

Alvarez first met Maresca at Sevilla, when the fitness coach was starting his career and the Italian was a player for the La Liga side. Even then, he had an inkling that Maresca would go on to be a manager.

“He is very methodical and organised,” Alvarez said. “I was pleasantly surprised, but it is true that when I had him as a player he was already restless in those aspects.

“There are players on the team who ask the coach why there are tactical situations, why this is done and nothing else is done. In all teams there are players who have the skills of coaches, and Enzo was like that.”

“The world of football has changed for years and now the coaches are very studious people. That was the first impression I had when I sat down with Enzo two-and-a-half years ago.

“He shows me what his football arguments are and I was very surprised how in his computer he had folders of 15 or 20 world-class coaches. They studied how (Jurgen) Klopp uses pressure, how (Thomas) Tuchel tries defensive plays, how Manuel Pellegrini, who has worked with him, likes to play a defensive line, and (Pep) Guardiola of course.”

[Dahnsouff]

12 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

1. But how do you KNOW he won't be earning that? Sorry but given the last set of accounts there cant be any benefit of the doubt that they're not giving out stupid deals.

We cannot control this and its not unique to any specific player, so why stress?

13 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

If we're bringing in 2 CBs then they should be better than him and he therefore won't be playing unless it's emergency cover. So say thanks and good luck and give that spot to Nelson. Your 20m budget retained in full for just 2 players with a healthy saving on wages. Simples.

So lose Jannik, save on his wages, buy 1xCBs better than him for 20m and trust in Nelson? Is this your suggestion? Not sure I understood. 

[StriderHiryu]

Relevant to this is the latest When You're Smiling podcast:

 

 

Guillem Ballague referencing some of the issues Enzo had with the club hierarchy and hinting at what he wants changed going forwards.

 

He also makes a good point about what happens next season when we start losing games and the crowd turns. Forest will stay up despite having won only 8 games, Brentford only 10. It will be backs to the wall stuff next season and a real challenge to stay up. 

[Happy Fox]

12 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Relevant to this is the latest When You're Smiling podcast:

 

 

Guillem Ballague referencing some of the issues Enzo had with the club hierarchy and hinting at what he wants changed going forwards.

 

He also makes a good point about what happens next season when we start losing games and the crowd turns. Forest will stay up despite having won only 8 games, Brentford only 10. It will be backs to the wall stuff next season and a real challenge to stay up. 

Bournemouth will drop off , I think Palace could be in a relegation scrap next season as well, if they lose the likes of Olise and Eze. I think we will finish 16th. 

[StriderHiryu]

28 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Bournemouth will drop off , I think Palace could be in a relegation scrap next season as well, if they lose the likes of Olise and Eze. I think we will finish 16th. 

We can definitely be competitive, but I guess the point here is say we go on a 5 or 6 game losing streak... what happens then? Even in the great escape season, even though we knew it was going to be tough, there was a lot of toxicity amongst the fans till the form turned around, and for the most part we weren't even playing that bad despite many losses.

 

I think a lot will be down to the manner of defeats. If we lose games because we give goals away from trying to pass out from the back, or inability to defend set pieces, it won't be fun amongst the fans. If it's a case of being beaten by pure quality, those ones are much easier to take.

 

There is also a world where we are relatively solid throughout. Chugging along and picking up points without ever really being in trouble, a bit like Fulham this season. But most of the other teams have had bad spells; Bournemouth, Palace, Brentford, Everton, Forest, etc. It's difficult to imagine we won't have at least one such spell. 

[Happy Fox]

16 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

We can definitely be competitive, but I guess the point here is say we go on a 5 or 6 game losing streak... what happens then? Even in the great escape season, even though we knew it was going to be tough, there was a lot of toxicity amongst the fans till the form turned around, and for the most part we weren't even playing that bad despite many losses.

 

I think a lot will be down to the manner of defeats. If we lose games because we give goals away from trying to pass out from the back, or inability to defend set pieces, it won't be fun amongst the fans. If it's a case of being beaten by pure quality, those ones are much easier to take.

 

There is also a world where we are relatively solid throughout. Chugging along and picking up points without ever really being in trouble, a bit like Fulham this season. But most of the other teams have had bad spells; Bournemouth, Palace, Brentford, Everton, Forest, etc. It's difficult to imagine we won't have at least one such spell. 

It depends on the fixture list, would be better if we play the top 6 both times by March at the latest and then to give us room to get the results we need to stay up by April / May time.

[wokinghamfox]

14 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

I know that there is a lot of sentiment involved (understandably) but resigning Vardy is worse business than Vestegaard considering he will likely be on around  £100k p/w. 

I can't see us resigning Vardy on 100k a week at his age. 

[hackneyfox]

14 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

I know that there is a lot of sentiment involved (understandably) but resigning Vardy is worse business than Vestegaard considering he will likely be on around  £100k p/w. 

You have no idea what he will be on.

Past wages won’t apply with FFP etc hitting so many clubs. I very much doubt that many  will be offering £100k a week for players from here on in and we only have to offer slightly more than any other team who may be interested.

Edited 15 May 2024 by hackneyfox

[Hammo]

In his defence I do remember Vestergaard being our best player in a home game against Man City shortly after he joined.

 

I think he deserves a new deal after his stellar season in the Championship. But obviously Maresca has to offset his lack of pace somehow - either tactically (unlikely) or with new pacier personnel.

[FOXSE]

2 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

We can definitely be competitive, but I guess the point here is say we go on a 5 or 6 game losing streak... what happens then? Even in the great escape season, even though we knew it was going to be tough, there was a lot of toxicity amongst the fans till the form turned around, and for the most part we weren't even playing that bad despite many losses.

 

I think a lot will be down to the manner of defeats. If we lose games because we give goals away from trying to pass out from the back, or inability to defend set pieces, it won't be fun amongst the fans. If it's a case of being beaten by pure quality, those ones are much easier to take.

 

There is also a world where we are relatively solid throughout. Chugging along and picking up points without ever really being in trouble, a bit like Fulham this season. But most of the other teams have had bad spells; Bournemouth, Palace, Brentford, Everton, Forest, etc. It's difficult to imagine we won't have at least one such spell. 

If the toxicity from this season, when we were top of the league is anything to go by, I imagine it will get pretty toxic.

 

I am confident there are fans just waiting for a defeat or two to start airing their greavances!

Edited 15 May 2024 by FOXSE

[Paninistickers]

2 hours ago, Hammo said:

Vestergaard being our best player in a home game against Man City shortly after he joined.

Absolutely correct. He was outstanding that day. And two of his best performances this season came v Leeds away and Bournemouth away, when real defending had to be done.

 

He's a very good player, horrendously mismanaged by Rodgers. 

 

But, as you go on to say, nobody can defend in their own. I'd have JJ on the right (our best one on one defender and quickest) and a desperately needed new player on the left. Coady and Faes as cover. 

[The boy Linacre]

17 hours ago, ealingfox said:

If we give Vestergaard a new contract we clearly have not learnt anything. 

I hope we have played real hardball on cost (contract) and max 2 years & this guy is PL squad player NOT starter.  Much as he totally turned my view around this season, where he has been very very good repeatedly.

VERY good against Bournemouth.

Ripped a new one for the 1st Chelsea goal FA Cup

Edited 15 May 2024 by The boy Linacre

[slymunn]

1 hour ago, The boy Linacre said:

I hope we have played real hardball on cost (contract) and max 2 years & this guy is PL squad player NOT starter.  Much as he totally turned my view around this season, where he has been very very good repeatedly.

VERY good against Bournemouth.

Ripped a new one for the 1st Chelsea goal FA Cup

Thats more the high line tactics vs one of the fastest players in the Prem. I believe Jackson did the same against Man City in the FA Cup too, just couldn't finish that day.

[lcfcbluearmy]

8 hours ago, Phenom said:

In the Premier League when we’re far from the most talented side in the league?

Worked brilliantly against Bournemouth, worked fine against chealsea

[lcfcbluearmy]

7 hours ago, themightyfin said:

I seem to remember we did ok in 2015-16 with Morgan and Huth.

 

Neither were blessed with pace yet we found a system to play that didn't expose that weakness.

 

There are many more attributes to playing football than pace.

 

We just have to trust Enzo finds the right system to cope with that in his game and to be fair he didn't do too bad this season.

 

We all know money is going to be super tight and the net spend will be tiny if not zero so giving him a year or two on a Lower wage which he no doubt will be on, is a no brainer.

 

What's the alternative?

 

We replace him?

That would involve a transfer fee.

Possible signing bonus clauses.

A longer committed contract and agents fees. 

 

I'm a perfect worldyes of course we would all like to replace him for a younger player with not only potential to improve but also be ready to slot straight into the team in the Prem.

 

But those players are few and far between and certainly not cheap of availableat all.

 

Have people forgotten the financial mess we are in/have been in ? 

 

This is not football manager and upgrades all over the pitch are simply not going to be possible. 

 

In certain positions we are just going to have to make do with what we have. 

 

That's the reality We find ourselves in.  

 

 

I agree with most of this only bit that is wrong is Morgan was actually one of the quickest players in the league over 40-50m he had pace just not over a huge distance

[James_lcfc]

8 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

I agree with most of this only bit that is wrong is Morgan was actually one of the quickest players in the league over 40-50m he had pace just not over a huge distance

I read all the time on here that Wes was slow.

 

Just not true.

[lcfcbluearmy]

3 minutes ago, James_lcfc said:

I read all the time on here that Wes was slow.

 

Just not true.

Yes exactly and to prove that: https://youtu.be/QaJp44s29yk?si=Y9AhJy4noG7D8YId

[Hammo]

2 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Absolutely correct. He was outstanding that day. And two of his best performances this season came v Leeds away and Bournemouth away, when real defending had to be done.

 

He's a very good player, horrendously mismanaged by Rodgers. 

 

But, as you go on to say, nobody can defend in their own. I'd have JJ on the right (our best one on one defender and quickest) and a desperately needed new player on the left. Coady and Faes as cover. 

Yes, the mismanagement (to the point of complete exclusion) of Vestergaard, and Soyuncu - two players notable for playing out from the back - is high on the lengthy Rodgers charge sheet. Especially when he invariably selected a player who struggled to make a simple pass from A to B (Amartey) ahead of them.

 

Was it sabotage rather than stupidity? You do wonder.

 

Anyway, we move on…

[Ric Flair]

24 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Worked brilliantly against Bournemouth, worked fine against chealsea

Worked fine against Chelsea? We were utterly horrifying defensively.