“There’s no loyalty in football anymore”

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

To be fair even in what is a disloyal business. this Enzo saga is an unprecedented lack of loyalty. When has a new manager left after just one season straight after winning The Championship? I can’t remember this situation ever happening before. 

Why does that make it worse? Surely the fact he won the league means he owes us less if anything. Did the job we appointed him to do, leaves for a better job having left us in a better place than he found us.

[funkyrobot]

7 minutes ago, Guest said:

Why does that make it worse? Surely the fact he won the league means he owes us less if anything. Did the job we appointed him to do, leaves for a better job having left us in a better place than he found us.

He got the job based on the long term project he outlined. He’s then not even lasted a year. He’s been particularly disloyal in a disloyal business however much you defend him. McKenna on the other hand has already given Ipswich two years and he’s committed to another despite bigger clubs wanting him. 

[Stanmorefox]

33 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

To be fair even in what is a disloyal business. this Enzo saga is an unprecedented lack of loyalty. When has a new manager left after just one season straight after winning The Championship? I can’t remember this situation ever happening before. 

Glen Hoddle did something similar. Did 2 years at Swindon, beat us at Wembley to get promoted to the Premier League and left a few weeks later to join who? Oh Chelsea wasn’t it!

[Tuna]

2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Loyalty surely works both ways? This was a month or so ago.

We can’t expect loyalty form a manager and/or players if as soon as anything negative happens we hound them on social media and want them out. 

No one should take anything on social media seriously.

[Sly]

Football Is a brutal job.

 

You’re only as good as your last match.

 

Look at Rodgers, turned us around, gave us an FA Cup, Top 6 finishes, played some nice football. 
 

What will he be remembered for? 

[Leicesterpool]

Money over loyalty these days, it's modern way of football. Go back to the 50's and 60's players would spend nearly a decade at one club. Mainly because squads were small. At the end of the day it's the agent pouring the poison in not the player. A player may fancy staying at his boyhood club for a few more seasons, while his agent will wanting to be forcing him to make a huge money making move to Man City, earning triple salary. Agents know the right words to persuade their client. While the agent, will get % from the deal. 

 

One good agent we could say though was Tielemans, who advised him to move to Leicester despite offering less than what Man United was offering. Agent described Man United "as a mess of a club". For Youri he may get mixed feelings but then again, He's still ended up in better position than United so not been a full disaster I guess. Still got a Fa Cup winners medal and went down in Leicester folklore forever.

Edited 28 May 2024 by Leicesterpool

[davieG]

When I first started watching early 60's this was the core of the team

 

Matt Gillies - 10

 

Banks - 8

Appleton - 12

Chalmers - 7

King - 8

Sjoberg - 13

Norman - 7

Riley - !0

Cross - 14

McLintock - 5

Gibson - 8

Stringfellow - 13

Roberts - 7

Walsh - 6

Keyworth - 7

 

 

The only 1  I can remember moving to a 'bigger' club was McLintock to Arsenal and of course Banks being pushed out by Shilton to Stoke.

 

[iancognito]

7 hours ago, Fox92 said:

I can accept managers leaving but he has left after one year. This is after we took a chance and gambled on him. First chance of going and he's off. Kick in the teeth. 

Loyalty works both ways.

 

It's only 6 weeks ago that "Go on admit you were wrong" thread and about 6 different "sack him" or "whose manager shall we nick" threads were in full swing. Now people are saying HE'S disloyal

[iancognito]

3 hours ago, Stanmorefox said:

Glen Hoddle did something similar. Did 2 years at Swindon, beat us at Wembley to get promoted to the Premier League and left a few weeks later to join who? Oh Chelsea wasn’t it!

I always remember The Fox doing a summer diary of that saga

 

30th May - Swindon beat Leicester 4-3

31st May - The "Keep Glenn" campaign begins

1st June - Glenn Leaves.

 

And let's face it, a lot of people said Enzo would be off in the summer. It was always going to happen with his coaching roots and the Sensi farce which clearly bothered him. We move on.

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

When I first started watching early 60's this was the core of the team

 

Matt Gillies - 10

 

Banks - 8

Appleton - 12

Chalmers - 7

King - 8

Sjoberg - 13

Norman - 7

Riley - !0

Cross - 14

McLintock - 5

Gibson - 8

Stringfellow - 13

Roberts - 7

Walsh - 6

Keyworth - 7

 

 

The only 1  I can remember moving to a 'bigger' club was McLintock to Arsenal and of course Banks being pushed out by Shilton to Stoke.

 

Bloody hell they were young then!

[Jon the Hat]

The main point is players and managers are not local boys done good anymore, this is a global game with the resultant lack of long term connection to a club.  They are just an employees like any other really.

[ozleicester]

Grealish is an interesting example...

The theory is, he left to play for the best team, win things and be coached by the best. The question is ..why?

Why did he leave his boyhood club?...
Is "winning" the only thing that matters? 
Is earning even more obscene amounts all that matters?
Is one coach that much better than another?

Is it worth going to a team where you will play less minutes?
Is it worth going to a club that isnt who you support?

Is it worth going to a club that you must acknowlkedge see you as a part of the machine and only a value in $$

Loyalty is inside you... and if it can be destroyed by simple greed it doesnt really exist.
 

[ozleicester]

4 hours ago, Leicesterpool said:

Money over loyalty these days, it's modern way of football. Go back to the 50's and 60's players would spend nearly a decade at one club. Mainly because squads were small. At the end of the day it's the agent pouring the poison in not the player. A player may fancy staying at his boyhood club for a few more seasons, while his agent will wanting to be forcing him to make a huge money making move to Man City, earning triple salary. Agents know the right words to persuade their client. While the agent, will get % from the deal. 

 

One good agent we could say though was Tielemans, who advised him to move to Leicester despite offering less than what Man United was offering. Agent described Man United "as a mess of a club". For Youri he may get mixed feelings but then again, He's still ended up in better position than United so not been a full disaster I guess. Still got a Fa Cup winners medal and went down in Leicester folklore forever.

Of course prior to the late 60s.. YOU COULD NOT CHANGE CLUBS unless your "owners" agreed... still wasnt loyalty

[Graceroad]

12 hours ago, Phube said:

I keep hearing the phrase a lot recently “There’s no loyalty in football anymore!”

 

I’d just like someone, preferably one of the no loyalty anymore brigade (and it always a brigade!), to tell me when this mythical time was when all footballers and managers were loyal to a fault? And never left to go to a better club or for more money?

To my knowledge good managers and players have always left clubs to go to better/bigger clubs. 
And vice-versa bad players and managers have been sacked or bombed out.

 

Good point Matt LeTissier the only player I can think of who stayed loyal when he could have moved to a bigger club

[Rossiter]

Imo their main loyalty is to their family. Get more financial security (possibly) with a move. Plus, on paper, better chances of silverware, international recognition etc if a move to a different club is successful.

[Nalis]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Grealish is an interesting example...

The theory is, he left to play for the best team, win things and be coached by the best. The question is ..why?

Why did he leave his boyhood club?...
Is "winning" the only thing that matters? 
Is earning even more obscene amounts all that matters?
Is one coach that much better than another?

Is it worth going to a team where you will play less minutes?
Is it worth going to a club that isnt who you support?

Is it worth going to a club that you must acknowlkedge see you as a part of the machine and only a value in $$

Loyalty is inside you... and if it can be destroyed by simple greed it doesnt really exist.
 

Grealish sticking with Villa in the championship for 4 seasons when he was one of the hottest young prospects in English football is loyal enough to me. He didnt jump at the first opportunity and earned his move for trophies. When he joined he was one the main starters though he is more of a bit part player these days.

 

Better example might be Kalvin Phillips.

[grobyfox1990]

Agreed. He won about 5000 games in a row and many would’ve been happy to see him go after a couple of losses during our mid season holiday. It’s business, no loyalty either way, we all know that 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

If you come through the youth ranks of a top team and are a top player you’re much more likely to be loyal, see lampard, scholes, gerrard for example. Than say if you come through the youth ranks of a average or worse team and are a top player and vice versa club to player. Then you have loyalty with players like praet, they’re loyal because nobody will ever give them another contract like that again. I reckon a lot of these Chelsea players on 7+ year deals who turn out to be hot garbage will be very loyal indeed.

[stripeyfox]

at the end of the day it's a job - albeit a very well paid one.

 

How many of us would be "loyal" to our employer if another company was offering more money, better prospects etc?

 

 

[foxinsocks]

Yes ... no loyalty.   I remember thinking this when Newcastle sacked dalgleish despite having sign a contract with him.  So, clubs are disloyal and employees are disloyal... its transactional.

This is a shame... but ambition see clubs hiring people with no interest other than money

[foxy boxing]

Only the fans kiss the badge and mean it, to everyone else it is just a business and a career. Players and managers want to progress and have success and ultimately try to move on to bigger clubs and more opportunities to have success.

[Plastik Man]

9 hours ago, Sly said:

Football Is a brutal job.

 

You’re only as good as your last match.

 

Look at Rodgers, turned us around, gave us an FA Cup, Top 6 finishes, played some nice football. 
 

What will he be remembered for? 

[Fox92]

7 hours ago, iancognito said:

Loyalty works both ways.

 

It's only 6 weeks ago that "Go on admit you were wrong" thread and about 6 different "sack him" or "whose manager shall we nick" threads were in full swing. Now people are saying HE'S disloyal

My post was referring to us taking a chance on him. That's internally, the board. They have remained loyal to him.

 

A few threads on the internet mean fvck all.

[OnlyOneCity]

13 hours ago, RYM said:

He was manager when I worked at Motherwell. He said his biggest regret was leaving us.

He left for the “Sleeping Giant “ that was wolves. At that time, not sleeping, but comatose. The tannoy man used to always play Daydream Believer after he went so that the crowd could join in…. You’ll know why if you were around then

[OnlyOneCity]

12 minutes ago, OnlyOneCity said:

He left for the “Sleeping Giant “ that was wolves. At that time, not sleeping, but comatose. The tannoy man used to always play Daydream Believer after he went so that the crowd could join in…. You’ll know why if you were around then

Walshie was interviewed on Midlands News about it and said he hoped Wolves would get relegated. Sadly they didn’t but we went up and they stayed down.