Finances don’t build a team, talent and hard work does.

[Sly]

This has been bubbling for a while now and I think it needs to be said. 
 

Money won’t buy you success. 
 

It may however allow you to have more rolls of the dice until you get it right.
 

Manchester City have spent over £500m on defenders alone since the Saudi takeover, that’s insane.
 

Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Spurs etc have all thrown money at it and the league can only have one winner. Football is a crazy world. It’s entirely pointless but fans lap up the Sky Sports and social media hype for transfer like it’s some sort of circus spectacle. 
 

I’ve just been reading that Lookman is now valued at over £50m! One season of decent form in Italy, and he’s worth 5 times what he was when we had him on loan. Is he realistically that much better than Fatawu?!? 
 

One persons rubbish, is another persons gold. You can build a team, a squad even for next to nothing if done correctly and a good coach is given time. We did it on a budget. Any team is capable but everyone wants to get into the todger swinging contest of splashing cash like they want to burn through money whilst drunk in a casino. A player who’s purchased for £100m, doesn’t mean they’re any better than someone you picked up for £1. We all all human and form, ability, pressure etc all impact what happens on a day to day basis. 
 

Patience is required and we need to give Cooper that.
 

Rome wasn’t built on a day but he has the right infrastructure with Seagrave to build a legacy. 

[shen]

7 minutes ago, Sly said:

This has been bubbling for a while now and I think it needs to be said. 
 

Money won’t buy you success. 
 

It may however allow you to have more rolls of the dice until you get it right.
 

Manchester City have spent over £500m on defenders alone since the Saudi takeover, that’s insane.
 

Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Spurs etc have all thrown money at it and the league can only have one winner. Football is a crazy world. It’s entirely pointless but fans lap up the Sky Sports and social media hype for transfer like it’s some sort of circus spectacle. 
 

I’ve just been reading that Lookman is now valued at over £50m! One season of decent form in Italy, and he’s worth 5 times what he was when we had him on loan. Is he realistically that much better than Fatawu?!? 
 

One persons rubbish, is another persons gold. You can build a team, a squad even for next to nothing if done correctly and a good coach is given time. We did it on a budget. Any team is capable but everyone wants to get into the todger swinging contest of splashing cash like they want to burn through money whilst drunk in a casino. A player who’s purchased for £100m, doesn’t mean they’re any better than someone you picked up for £1. We all all human and form, ability, pressure etc all impact what happens on a day to day basis. 
 

Patience is required and we need to give Cooper that.
 

Rome wasn’t built on a day but he has the right infrastructure with Seagrave to build a legacy. 

Can we please start to bury this nonsense? If the players and staff are useless, Seagrave will not turn them into gems.

 

We will NEVER compete for top young talent unless we build a sustainable model that utilises it. Maresca was doing the best we've seen in decades trying to blood promising young players. 

 

I'm not convinced this is the strategy our management are consciously going for though.

[Sly]

Just now, shen said:

Can we please start to bury this nonsense? If the players and staff are useless, Seagrave will not turn them into gems.

 

We will NEVER compete for top young talent unless we build a sustainable model that utilises it. Maresca was doing the best we've seen in decades trying to blood promising young players. 

 

I'm not convinced this is the strategy our management are consciously going for though.

Infrastructure is good. I’ll agree he might need some new tools to work with though. 

[S1DDO]

but its easier to throw money at it

[Stadt]

Never seen a bag of money score a goal. 
 

Whilst we can’t sell anybody that isn’t a first teamer because the hierarchy are useless - we’re in the the shit 

[Chelmofox]

43 minutes ago, Sly said:

I’ve just been reading that Lookman is now valued at over £50m! One season of decent form in Italy, and he’s worth 5 times what he was when we had him on loan. Is he realistically that much better than Fatawu?!? 

Someone is worth what a club is willing to pay for them. Strange things have happened, but i don't think anyone is buying Lookman for £50mil. 

[coolhandfox]

Whilst I agree the the sentiments.

 

It is not about how much money, its about how you use what you have.

 

We have repeatedly used ours terribly for at least 3 or 4 seasons.

 

We have brought poorly and sold poorly and negotiated contract poorly.

[Nalis]

Finances don't build a team

Rappers do

Sound Of Da Police

WOO WOO WOO

Edited 25 June 2024 by Nalis

[inckley fox]

53 minutes ago, shen said:

Can we please start to bury this nonsense? If the players and staff are useless, Seagrave will not turn them into gems.

 

We will NEVER compete for top young talent unless we build a sustainable model that utilises it. Maresca was doing the best we've seen in decades trying to blood promising young players. 

 

I'm not convinced this is the strategy our management are consciously going for though.

Unless I'm wrong, you're basically saying 'play young talent, or it won't be fulfilled... And a flash training complex won't make up the ground'. I think that's right, though the OP also makes a few other important points which I'd go along with.

 

I'd debate one point. Maresca arguably was the best in decades in terms of blooding young players, but I'd question how promising some of them were. The best young promise I've ever seen blooded at Leicester came between January 2012 and January 2014, when the likes of James, Drinkwater and Mahrez came through. I'm not convinced that Maresca has introduced home-grown talent that's superior in quality to Moore or Schlupp, who also came through during that period, nor introduced any signings equatable with the aforementioned.

 

It felt a little bit like he was paying mind to people by playing, say, Raikhy, Madavidua, Maswanhise, perhaps even Kasey at times. As if it was an issue which had cropped up at interview which he'd vowed to address, but didn't actually address because there wasn't much point in picking these guys in the first place. It's nothing new. Managers often try to prove that they value an academy by blooding a few players here and there. Pearson did it first time round. So did Ranieri with Dodoo. I just don't think we've uncovered much top-level talent, either via recruitment or development, in recent years. It's not that we're failing to give them the chances. But no, Seagrave isn't going to turn Kasey into an elite talent.

[Vestan Pance]

1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Finances don't build a team

Rappers do

Sound Of Da Police

WOO WOO WOO

Tony Pulis built a team, one hell of a bloke.

[Brizzle Fox]

2 hours ago, Nalis said:

Finances don't build a team

Rappers do

Sound Of Da Police

WOO WOO WOO

I seen it in a documentary on BBC2...

[Leeds Fox]

3 hours ago, Sly said:

This has been bubbling for a while now and I think it needs to be said. 
 

Money won’t buy you success. 
 

It may however allow you to have more rolls of the dice until you get it right.
 

Manchester City have spent over £500m on defenders alone since the Saudi takeover, that’s insane.
 

Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Spurs etc have all thrown money at it and the league can only have one winner. Football is a crazy world. It’s entirely pointless but fans lap up the Sky Sports and social media hype for transfer like it’s some sort of circus spectacle. 
 

I’ve just been reading that Lookman is now valued at over £50m! One season of decent form in Italy, and he’s worth 5 times what he was when we had him on loan. Is he realistically that much better than Fatawu?!? 
 

One persons rubbish, is another persons gold. You can build a team, a squad even for next to nothing if done correctly and a good coach is given time. We did it on a budget. Any team is capable but everyone wants to get into the todger swinging contest of splashing cash like they want to burn through money whilst drunk in a casino. A player who’s purchased for £100m, doesn’t mean they’re any better than someone you picked up for £1. We all all human and form, ability, pressure etc all impact what happens on a day to day basis. 
 

Patience is required and we need to give Cooper that.
 

Rome wasn’t built on a day but he has the right infrastructure with Seagrave to build a legacy. 

Regarding the Lookman/Fatawu comparison…. LCFC had a clause on Fatawu’s loan agreement (I’m not being facetious, I’m aware you know). So Fatawu’s value is likely higher but we paid what was agreed. Had that not been in place, he’d have likely fetched above what we paid, granted it wouldn’t have been £50m. Although I can’t see anyone paying £50m for Lookman either, especially in the current climate.

 

Also, a good coach with a team/squad that costs ‘next to nothing’ could easily get relegated, as could a poor coach with a good squad. 
 

I agree, Cooper should be given a fair crack at it, but that includes a certain amount of backing from the board. That said, when a managers time is up, decisions need to be made swiftly and due diligence on a replacement needs to be done as soon as the possibility of a sacking is near, most certainly not post-sacking. That leads to a rushed appointment and weeks in managerial purgatory (neither are beneficial to the club). 
 

I’m not really sure where this has come from. We know we can’t spend much, Cooper should be aware and the board/Top will likely deal with Cooper accordingly (unless he morphs into BR). They can’t and probably don’t expect miracles, but he has to get us in touch and keep up there to warrant continued support. 

I’ve read that we may have brought him in as a manager who could likely gain us promotion should we go down, but that would have to involve going down by a small margin. If we end up adrift, there’s no way a manager can remain in post; too much goes on within a club for his position to remain tenable. 
 

Reminds me of one of my rants after a few shandy’s 

Edited 25 June 2024 by Leeds Fox

[MPH]

No one is asking to throw 500m at a team, just plug some glaring gaps 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Starting a thread with a big old essay and only getting 2 likes after 4 hours, ooffft

[ozleicester]

Money to some extent buys privilege. The opportunity to buy a "Lookman" and leave him in the u23s or loan him out for a year or two to find his feet is provided by having enough money to buy a seat filler until he comes good.

There will NEVER be another 15/16 Leicester.

Only if you have buckets of cash and dodgy owners (or/until the super league happens) the powerful and rich will dominate the competition. The structure is built to enhance and protect the rich at the expense of trhe less well off (where have i heard that before?). Those in power decide the structural changes and the never make those changes worse for themselves.

Money doesnt guarantee success... but you aint winning the league without being one of the richest clubs.

[Jon the Hat]

I mean it is pretty clear you need money and talent and hard work and not a little luck.  As you say there can be only 1 winner.  While you might think it is crazy how much Chelsea are spending, they have a better chance than if they didn't spend it.

[Mike Oxlong]

It’s unlikely to be coincidental that the most successful teams since the start of the PL have been those with the biggest budgets. Although there has of course been just the one very notable outlier ! 

[sylofox]

The title of this thread. Have I woke up and it's summer 2015. I'll check the odds in a minute.

 

Or was the OP on another planet in 15/16.

 

Talk about preaching to the converted.

[Detroit Blues]

I think it is pretty unrealistic to think that a club, their management staff, etc. are going to be so much better at their job than the rest of the Premier League, that it can make up for the massive advantages that come with money. Not only does money attract talent, but it allows them to pay high wages to retain the talent they bring in or develop internally.

 

Even if Leicester develop high end players, it is the revenue that we generate that will determine via PSR if we can afford to pay to retain those players when they re-negotiate their contracts. That means every time we uncover a diamond in the rough, we are obligated to sell them and restart the process. That is as unsustainable a business model as operating a club like Chelsea. 

 

There are so many data points that show that a club's wage bill predicts the outcomes of where it will find itself in the table. Even Chelsea and Manchester United at worst will end up midtable, propped up by their massive fortunes. All they have to do is an average job to secure top 6, and a place in Europe. The rest of the plebs in the Premier League have actual fears about relegation, and need to have so many things go right for them to end up in Europe. Even when they do, they often struggle to expand their squad size to handle the additional fixtures, and they suffer as a result of it.

 

Why do you think the Premier League has cemented themselves as the best league in world football? Is it because the clubs in England are so good at finding and developing talent? No, they are where they are because they have money to buy and retain the best players in the world. The Premier League's TV contract dwarf that of any other league (due to foreign interest), which gives the bottom clubs in the Premier League the spending power equivalent to that of the best teams in Europe. 

 

[David Hankey]

18 hours ago, Sly said:

This has been bubbling for a while now and I think it needs to be said. 
 

Money won’t buy you success. 
 

It may however allow you to have more rolls of the dice until you get it right.
 

Manchester City have spent over £500m on defenders alone since the Saudi takeover, that’s insane.
 

Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Spurs etc have all thrown money at it and the league can only have one winner. Football is a crazy world. It’s entirely pointless but fans lap up the Sky Sports and social media hype for transfer like it’s some sort of circus spectacle. 
 

I’ve just been reading that Lookman is now valued at over £50m! One season of decent form in Italy, and he’s worth 5 times what he was when we had him on loan. Is he realistically that much better than Fatawu?!? 
 

One persons rubbish, is another persons gold. You can build a team, a squad even for next to nothing if done correctly and a good coach is given time. We did it on a budget. Any team is capable but everyone wants to get into the todger swinging contest of splashing cash like they want to burn through money whilst drunk in a casino. A player who’s purchased for £100m, doesn’t mean they’re any better than someone you picked up for £1. We all all human and form, ability, pressure etc all impact what happens on a day to day basis. 
 

Patience is required and we need to give Cooper that.
 

Rome wasn’t built on a day but he has the right infrastructure with Seagrave to build a legacy. 

The fact is you need copious amounts of finance to buy the talent required to be successful.

[nick6666]

Success at what cost through man city have had success but it could cost the future of the club .. I would rather have a hard earned success personally it feels better 

[cropstonfox]

8 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

The fact is you need copious amounts of finance to buy the talent required to be successful.

I Remember one team on a shoestring budget winning the Premier league,not so long ago.................

 

[so1]

38 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

I Remember one team on a shoestring budget winning the Premier league,not so long ago.................

 

If you can find one of the best strikers  and one of the best wingers the league has ever seen, in their prime, you might be on to something.   Goals goals goals win the Premier league.

[David Hankey]

57 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

I Remember one team on a shoestring budget winning the Premier league,not so long ago.................

 

A rare event and taken out of context. Surely, I haven't got to reel off the Clubs who have so-called "bought the title" have I.

[LaCiudad]

20 hours ago, Sly said:

This has been bubbling for a while now and I think it needs to be said. 
 

Money won’t buy you success. 
 

It may however allow you to have more rolls of the dice until you get it right.
 

Manchester City have spent over £500m on defenders alone since the Saudi takeover, that’s insane.
 

Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Spurs etc have all thrown money at it and the league can only have one winner. Football is a crazy world. It’s entirely pointless but fans lap up the Sky Sports and social media hype for transfer like it’s some sort of circus spectacle. 
 

I’ve just been reading that Lookman is now valued at over £50m! One season of decent form in Italy, and he’s worth 5 times what he was when we had him on loan. Is he realistically that much better than Fatawu?!? 
 

One persons rubbish, is another persons gold. You can build a team, a squad even for next to nothing if done correctly and a good coach is given time. We did it on a budget. Any team is capable but everyone wants to get into the todger swinging contest of splashing cash like they want to burn through money whilst drunk in a casino. A player who’s purchased for £100m, doesn’t mean they’re any better than someone you picked up for £1. We all all human and form, ability, pressure etc all impact what happens on a day to day basis. 
 

Patience is required and we need to give Cooper that.
 

Rome wasn’t built on a day but he has the right infrastructure with Seagrave to build a legacy. 

I agree we need to give Cooper a chance. 

 

But, these...

Money won’t buy you success. 

 

It may however allow you to have more rolls of the dice until you get it right

... are just two contradictory sentences. 

 

Man City etc. are just buying success.