Buonanotte - joined on loan.

[Happy Fox]

A 19 year old getting 4 goals at premier league level isn’t bad, if he can have a similar impact if not better for us. It bodes well..

[Guest]

I get people are disappointed by yet another humbling reality check but I have never really agreed with the complaints about "developing other teams' players for them" as if it's a good deed we're doing them out of the kindness of our hearts rather than a mutually beneficial transaction.

 

The real question is why we decided to spend what was presumably a decent chunk of our budget on yet another centre back and then our target for a position of actually quite desperate need is a loan for a mid-table Premier League squad player, though with this coming totally out of the blue I suppose we can't discount the possibility we've got another attacking midfielder lined up.

[Kp1984]

12 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

 

 

Why are you re posting this it’s been posted like 3 times 

[suffolk fox]

14 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

This might make sense if Buonannotte was actually PL ready but he isn't. He offers very little goal threat.

 

This is more of a Sheffield United loaning Luke Thomas type deal than us bringing in a PL quality player.

Played quite a few games for Brighton last season in the premier league, scoring some good goals and assisting.  Has recently played for Brighton in their pre season tour of Japan assisting twice in one game.

 

Brighton fans rate him, albeit saying he is raw at 19yrs old, and are pleased he is coming  to us instead of PSV.

 

Can play in the number 10 role too.

 

Seriously, in our financial situation, what do some people expect.

 

I can't wait to see him play for us.

[kingfox]

After the links to Jordan Ayew, I decided to look around for right midfielders who’d offer similar defensive output, Buonanotte’s defensive numbers showed up excellently. 
 

Cooper clearly wants players that will work hard and graft, I’d take Buonanotte over Ayew any day of the week. 

[DezFox]

Shows where we are, developing Brighton’s youngsters. But that is the reality and we all knew that.  To get out of where we are we need to stay in the prem first and foremost.

I think this is a good loan, we obviously won’t have an option or anything but if it means we can buy another creative player then I’m all for it. He is pretty good I think, not really a risk. I would expect him to be cover for wingers and maybe 10? I also don’t think this impacts Alves as much as everyone thinks.  Maybe he will go on loan or maybe if he good enough, he is good enough. I also think this would mean Alves can play with less pressure. I’m all for this, if he was a perm everyone would buzzing for this. I know it not ideal but it’s where we are at and if we got more loans like we might have a chance of staying up. If, (and it’s a a big if)we stay up this year we can build from these and start growing again. 

Edited 8 August 2024 by DezFox

[foxfan92]

Can't believe we're finally signing a fairly decent  midfielder with Premier league experience and everyone is still complaining. 

 

Yes it would be nicer to be signing him permanently, but let's look at it money saved allowing us to sign someone else.

 

We're going to need sign a few more players capable of fighting for a first team place, if we want to still be in the top flight next season.

[FoxinNotts]

It amazes me how many people on this forum don’t know how budgets work!

 

This is a good bit of business, if we can pull it off, leaving us with some money to spend on another

[Heskey2011]

He's not ready, 4 good games last season 2 vs Sheffield United.

If we're in the expected relegation scrap, he's got no skin in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

After the links to Jordan Ayew, I decided to look around for right midfielders who’d offer similar defensive output, Buonanotte’s defensive numbers showed up excellently. 
 

Cooper clearly wants players that will work hard and graft, I’d take Buonanotte over Ayew any day of the week. 

No problem with wanting players who work hard but ultimately football is about putting the ball in the back of the net.

 

I would imagine we'll need to find 45-50 goals from the squad this season in order to stay up. The defence simply isn't good enough to rely on like Everton did where they only managed to score 40.

 

To me that means we need 3 players to score 8 or more league goals. and given we look to have a fairly defensive midfield I just don't see it.

[Gloria]

Missing last season has definitely set Alves back a bit. I'd keep him around until Jan and maybe loan him out if opportunities are limited. Despite being a similar age, this lad certainly has more experience and seems more EPL ready. Weird he hasn't gone the other way if O'Riley is heading to Brighton 🤔

[adejo92]

Taking Brightons youth players to develop them is a stark reminder of where we are as a club now.

 

That gripe aside, he'll probably be a good addition for us.

 

 

[Ian Nacho]

10 minutes ago, Kp1984 said:

Why are you re posting this it’s been posted like 3 times 

 

 

[FoxesWalk]

Good player; poor deal for us, especially if he blocks pathway for the likes of Alves. But this is where we are. He is good enough, cheap, and we need bodies that are good enough. 
 

Furthermore he is young, hungry and has plenty to prove. More of that please, but ideally not on loan from rivals with no options to buy… 

Edited 8 August 2024 by FoxesWalk

[CosbehFox]

27 minutes ago, Micky said:

So all of those players are established, high performing premier league players now? 

Of course not all. But the transfer fees and wages involved mean your risk is significantly reduced

 

MacAllister, Caicedo, Enciso, Murillo, Danilo, Scapra (six month gamble which made £5m profit), Rodrigo Muniz are excellent examples 

 

Murillo a cracking example - signed for Forest under £10million, plays CB most of last season and very likely to make a huge profit. 

Edited 8 August 2024 by CosbehFox

[Heskey2011]

7 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

Played quite a few games for Brighton last season in the premier league, scoring some good goals and assisting.  Has recently played for Brighton in their pre season tour of Japan assisting twice in one game.

 

Brighton fans rate him, albeit saying he is raw at 19yrs old, and are pleased he is coming  to us instead of PSV.

 

Can play in the number 10 role too.

 

Seriously, in our financial situation, what do some people expect.

 

I can't wait to see him play for us.

Where you got this from???

 

He scored 3 and got 1 assist.

 

In Argentina for Rosario he was on the wing, not a 10 same for Argentina.

And he's little we've got enough little players.

 

[ALC Fox]

Alves is going to be around the first-team squad all season long, that much is clear.

 

At the moment Buonanotte is the more developed and experienced player but there's nothing to say that both couldn't play in the same team at some point.

 

Let Alves develop without too much pressure and without overly risking a breakdown thanks to his previous injury. He'll get minutes over the course of the season and a chance to impress, surely.

 

If we stay up thanks to Buonanotte's contribution and Alves is first XI-ready at the start of 25/26, that's probably the ideal solution, right?

[coolhandfox]

Think people are losing sight of were we are.

 

We have to balance short term and long term objectives. 

 

 

[Foxy_jim]

The people saying we are developing Brightons players are talking nonsense. If we stay up and have a good season and he likes it here and Brighton fans nosh in a similar position like mid table lower mid table then what's stopping us being able to get him permanently? We are newly promoted with a points deduction pending, we won't be getting superstars. I like this signing, can play and get stuck in, young and hungry to impress, better than an overthe hill Ayew.

[FoxesWalk]

2 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

Alves is going to be around the first-team squad all season long, that much is clear.

 

At the moment Buonanotte is the more developed and experienced player but there's nothing to say that both couldn't play in the same team at some point.

 

Let Alves develop without too much pressure and without overly risking a breakdown thanks to his previous injury. He'll get minutes over the course of the season and a chance to impress, surely.

 

If we stay up thanks to Buonanotte's contribution and Alves is first XI-ready at the start of 25/26, that's probably the ideal solution, right?

Assuming Alves signs a new deal… isn’t he out of contract next summer?

[kingfox]

4 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

No problem with wanting players who work hard but ultimately football is about putting the ball in the back of the net.

 

I would imagine we'll need to find 45-50 goals from the squad this season in order to stay up. The defence simply isn't good enough to rely on like Everton did where they only managed to score 40.

 

To me that means we need 3 players to score 8 or more league goals. and given we look to have a fairly defensive midfield I just don't see it.

I see zero point in throwing toys out the pram just yet. If Tom Collomosse is correct, then we should expect 3-4 more players through the door, hopefully that will include a striker and another creative midfielder. If we come to the end of the transfer window and that doesn’t happen, then they’ll be a justified uproar. 
 

Getting in a few players on loan was always going to happen, Buonanotte is a decent talent who will graft for the team, I’d rather have players like that over a bunch of showboaters who don’t give a shit. 

[Sankey93]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

He is very talented, would rather we buy someone of his ilk but here we are. GERRIMIN

Ric APPROVES 😂😂😂

[coolhandfox]

It a low risk move that bring in a player, with some creativity.

 

We used the loan market to good effect last season, Doyle, Fatawu playing massive part in our success, Akgun and Cascadi also played a part.  

[Taffy (Glynn)]

People do get awfully precious about "developing players for other teams".

 

That's the way football works unfortunately ; a fundamental part of our model is to develop players for others. 

Clearly when we sign/own those players we are hoping to turn a profit for our "efforts" ; however, it's simply a game of risk/reward (and seemingly a game we have been losing over the last 3-4 seasons.)

 

For every Fofana or Maddison, who we can bring in, develop and sell on. There is a Soumare or a Daka. By loaning a player, yes you don't stand to make the big profits, but you don't stand to stomach the losses either.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that the club needs to be very careful financially ; we all accept that we will need to end this window with 5/6/7/8 new players. If one or two of those can be brought in at essentially zero financial risk, whilst contributing to us staying up, that's a positive for me.

 

Clearly having an option would be nice, but Brighton are very shrewd - this is a 19 year old, creative, Argentinian international. If he has a good enough season for us (fingers crossed) that would make us want to sign him permanently, then you're looking at a price probably into the £30-50M range, based on that profile. By all accounts, we probably can't afford that anyway.

 

Instead, if he buys us 12 months to continue to refine Alves/Golding etc. so that they can step into the role permanently when he returns (and, particularly, if he helps us stay up), then I can only really see positives.

I also see the perspective that if he proves to be good and helps us stay up, then other players will see what he did for us / the role he played / the attention it brought him and will be excited to come and play for us to fill that role.

 

The last season Tielemens was here, all we were doing was developing him for someone else. Same with Soyuncu towards the end of that season. Regardless, you have to make use of the best players you have/you can get your hands on, particularly when you're in a difficult situation.

 

The last time we got promoted, we signed an Argentine midfielder for 12 months, who cost us nothing to sign, made us no profit when he left and I've no complaints about that deal!

[Tuna]

19 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

 

 

Again