Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[coolhandfox]

Whilst the result aren't much better we have structure and pattern of plan.

 

Unless we sort out our recruitment we aren't going to sustain top flight football for any period of time.

 

9 of the starting 11 are part of the Championship squad, we have spent 70m and not really strengthen the starting 11.

[deep blue]

54 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

People moaning about  RVN subs but who else was he going to bring on off the bench  to win the game . Obviously Winks had to come off as not fully fit . Edouard  is shiiit . Facundo came on,  BDR  came on  whose not great but the only other option was  Will coming on whose still unproven . I know people are screaming out for him to play but more than one manager now hasn’t  so there has got to be a reason . 

What about Alvez?

[Stevosevic]

Really not being helped with injuries to be fair and walked straight in to a tough run of fixtures.

 

Needs a few bodies in early in January but he won’t get them 

[winteriscoming]

Yes we’ve picked 4 points up with him but I think a more experienced manager and we beat wolves. May not sound a lot but could end up being the difference of stopping up or not. January window will be crucial for us. 

[baldeagle]

21 minutes ago, deep blue said:

What about Alvez?

Already said in my original statement 

[Analysethis]

Many in here were clamoring for a sexy appointment, a young up and coming coach and in RVN thats what we have. Would Cooper have got more points, probably. Is Ruud the right man, only time will tell if he has the skills as an inexperienced manager to do anything with our lot. I think he is decent and learning on the job, but we need some luck and a few decent signings!

 

Only criticism tonight is why Alves didnt get a run when we went 3-1 down. 

[Freeman's Wharfer]

He’s made one mistake: 135 minutes of Danny Ward.

 

Take that out of the equation and it’s a win against a decent calibre West Ham team, a spirited draw against a strong Brighton side,  1-0 down to a strong Newcastle side and still in it at half time and giving top of the table Liverpool a decent run for their money.

 

Now that error is pretty huge. You’d hope any Leicester manager had done his due diligence to know that Ward is miles off it at this level. But I think he had a decision to make on his principles (the risk of Ward, and stay true to what he’s trying to get his players to buy into, or Iversen and abandon playing out from the back) and he paid a price.

 

The good thing is that he learned that lesson sharpish and has bombed Ward completely out of the squad at the next possible opportunity. 
 

He’s working with a horrendous squad, thanks to injuries to some of our best and poor recruitment, and probably needs 3 in January to stand a chance. Would you trust our DOF to get those 3 over the line and to do so quickly to give RVN the best chance of success?

[Manini]

7 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

He’s made one mistake: 135 minutes of Danny Ward.

 

Take that out of the equation and it’s a win against a decent calibre West Ham team, a spirited draw against a strong Brighton side,  1-0 down to a strong Newcastle side and still in it at half time and giving top of the table Liverpool a decent run for their money.

 

Now that error is pretty huge. You’d hope any Leicester manager had done his due diligence to know that Ward is miles off it at this level. But I think he had a decision to make on his principles (the risk of Ward, and stay true to what he’s trying to get his players to buy into, or Iversen and abandon playing out from the back) and he paid a price.

 

The good thing is that he learned that lesson sharpish and has bombed Ward completely out of the squad at the next possible opportunity. 
 

He’s working with a horrendous squad, thanks to injuries to some of our best and poor recruitment, and probably needs 3 in January to stand a chance. Would you trust our DOF to get those 3 over the line and to do so quickly to give RVN the best chance of success?

I agree with your last paragraph. Ruud didn’t create the mess. Point the anger to the clowns running the show.  

Edited 27 December 2024 by Manini

[honeybradger]

Commentator pointed out he got the better of Slot in the head to head when they were at PSV and Feyenoord. Difference being he had the superior squad then and a vastly inferior one now.

[honeybradger]

Commentator pointed out he got the better of Slot in the head to head when they were at PSV and Feyenoord. Difference being he had the superior squad then and a vastly inferior one now. If we back him properly there's no reason he couldn't be able to keep us up.

 

Also no Cooper would not have gotten more points from the last 5 than Van Nistelrooy considering Hermansen has been injured for 2.5 games and the difficulty of the fixtures.

 

Cooper being able to grind out points is a myth, he got 6 from 4 games against relegation rivals where he bottled the Crystala Palace game and 4 vs good teams. The Bournemouth game is really his only properly good result.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

2 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Same as the last 7/8 Leicester managers in games like this. get everyone behind the ball, counter and hope for the best. 
 

What game plan do you expect in a game like this? If I let you manage it 10 times you lose all 10 and get spanked in at least half of them. You can’t judge any manager when the handicap is so large. 

 

If we tried to play like spurs did do you expect a better score line? Because all it would do is lead to a record breaking defeat tbqh. 
 

Loosing by 2 goals is about as good as we could have hoped for 

No one said we had to play like Spurs. Just defending and "hoping for the best" sounds something Captain Melchett would be proud of. We were lucky Liverpool were way below par this evening and let's be honest we've yet to see any real tactical appreciation in any of the other games.

[Lambert09]

1 minute ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

No one said we had to play like Spurs. Just defending and "hoping for the best" sounds something Captain Melchett would be proud of. We were lucky Liverpool were way below par this evening and let's be honest we've yet to see any real tactical appreciation in any of the other games.

Whilst we haven’t been perfect I disagree. Personally, I think Brighton was the best we’ve played all season tactically. We were just a tad unfortunate with the goals they got. 

 

The jury is certainly still out on Ruud but personally I’m waiting until after January where he’s hopefully had a chance to fix Coopers wrongs.  The next few games will be rough and he just has to get the best out of us that he can!  We could be cut adrift by then unfortunately 

[blue army 1988]

Anyone asked him the reason why he doesn't start the Argentinian kid from Brighton?

[Sunbury Fox]

Going to be hard for him to come back from 5 straight PL defeats, which is most likely where we’ll be after the next 2 games, so early in his reign.

[joachim1965]

7 minutes ago, blue army 1988 said:

Anyone asked him the reason why he doesn't start the Argentinian kid from Brighton?

No mate, thought you might ask him and let us know.

[Bordersfox]

8 hours ago, Analysethis said:

Many in here were clamoring for a sexy appointment, a young up and coming coach and in RVN thats what we have. Would Cooper have got more points, probably. Is Ruud the right man, only time will tell if he has the skills as an inexperienced manager to do anything with our lot. I think he is decent and learning on the job, but we need some luck and a few decent signings!

 

Only criticism tonight is why Alves didnt get a run when we went 3-1 down. 

Whilst I can't really understand the selection of Ward in two matches by RVN, I also cannot see any justification for an argument that we'd be better off points wise under Cooper. 

 

Let's put aside Coopers lack of coherent game plans, dreadful in game management and our lack of any tactical identity/progression in his time here.  Let's also forget his terrible win ratio, even before he joined Leicester, and the fact he showed absolutely no sign of turning that around. 

 

The players weren't having Cooper in his last couple of matches.  He'd  clearly lost the larger part of the dressing room.  Whether that's a right or wrong attitude by players is a moot point, that spells the end of a manager.  

 

Whether Ruud is the right man time will tell.  But let's stop with this instant revisionism about Cooper's spell in charge.  He was way out of his depth and thank goodness for once the club acted decisively.  

[Chelmofox]

24 minutes ago, blue army 1988 said:

Anyone asked him the reason why he doesn't start the Argentinian kid from Brighton?

Unpopular opinion maybe, but Bilal is better and i presume they are seen as the same sort of player where one gets the non. Though Facundo looked pretty pony when he came on.

[Pliskin]

8 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

He’s made one mistake: 135 minutes of Danny Ward.

 

Take that out of the equation and it’s a win against a decent calibre West Ham team, a spirited draw against a strong Brighton side,  1-0 down to a strong Newcastle side and still in it at half time and giving top of the table Liverpool a decent run for their money.

 

Now that error is pretty huge. You’d hope any Leicester manager had done his due diligence to know that Ward is miles off it at this level. But I think he had a decision to make on his principles (the risk of Ward, and stay true to what he’s trying to get his players to buy into, or Iversen and abandon playing out from the back) and he paid a price.

 

The good thing is that he learned that lesson sharpish and has bombed Ward completely out of the squad at the next possible opportunity. 
 

He’s working with a horrendous squad, thanks to injuries to some of our best and poor recruitment, and probably needs 3 in January to stand a chance. Would you trust our DOF to get those 3 over the line and to do so quickly to give RVN the best chance of success?

One thing I will say, is that under Enzo we were decisive and got business done. I imagine Ruud will be very much the same in terms of knowing what he wants. Sons like to think business will move fairly quickly. 

[Chelmofox]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

One thing I will say, is that under Enzo we were decisive and got business done. I imagine Ruud will be very much the same in terms of knowing what he wants. Sons like to think business will move fairly quickly. 

Enzo had the advantage of a transfer window, preseason and a complete reset in the Championship.   Ruud has come in at exactly the wrong time and been dealt a horrible hand with injuries. I imagine Ruud will want to be getting business done pretty quickly. We shall see, but im not willing to write Ruud off just yet.

[foxer]

Nice to see a little bit of positivity in this thread this morning. I've been surprised at how quickly some posters seem to have turned on RVN, though I think a lot of it is because we are so disillusioned at how the club is being run as a whole.

 

As already stated, so far his main mistake has been the lack of research and understanding of how damaging Danny Ward is to any starting 11. That was poor, no doubt, but it was good to see him out of the squad yesterday in response. I think we draw minimum vs wolves with Iverson in goal, but who knows now. The facu thing is kinda strange, but we have to trust him to do things his way. 

 

Looking forward to him having more of his own staff with him and having a transfer window. I still think we can drag Wolves or Everton into the mire if we and the board back him.

 

 

 

 

[Seventyseven]

I’m not ‘turning’ on RVN, I’m just not sure how that was any different to a Cooper performance. We were pretty much battered all game and came away with nothing. Great to get the early goal which at least made it a bit interesting until they scored but still. 1 shot on target. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

I want to like RVN and it’s certainly too early to call for his head. The reality is we are an apprenticeship for him. 
 

There have been two glaring mistakes in his games. Against Newcastle, he went like for like (in comparison to our previous games) despite having an inferior midfield and being away from home.

 

Against Wolves, he started Ward. 
 

The latter is at this moment the game that sends us down and has lost us a 4/5 point gap. It’s up to him to pull that back. 
 

 

[deep blue]

9 hours ago, baldeagle said:

Already said in my original statement 

Apologies. The "Will" didn't register 

[kristianity77]

I’m not turning on RVN either. He walked in to a mess and for me his hands are completely tied until the transfer window and he has to do as much as he can with the shit he has at his disposal.

 

like others have said the only glaring mistake he’s made is regarding Ward but he soon righted that wrong where other managers took an entire season to figure it out. 
 

If the powers that be show little to no effort in improving our side in January I’d expect RVN to walk out of the entire shitshow to avoid a stain on his record going forward, and I wouldn’t blame him. 

[dooflip]

It’s really important for people to know/realize that when he was at PSV he had an unbelievable squad. Simon’s, gakpo, bakayoko to name a few. If we had that squad, we would be qualifying for Europe.

So please can we stop referring to the spell he had in charge of a team in an inferior league with superior players - there is no comparison to the job he is now in.