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[Ric Flair]

Big red flag on the lack of young players Rohl has opted for in his time at Sheffield Wednesday. They already had a nucleus of experienced journeyman but he's added a lot more too, albeit a slightly better calibre.

 

It's enough for me to not want him. Although the mandate on bringing through academy players and the ethos of being brave to build a team of young players has to be instilled by powers above and any manager has to follow through with that. If Rohl could do it then there's plenty to like about him, but I'd be asking questions why he's favoured experience.

[Claudio Fannieri]

If Carsley was to come in, would the club be breve and use that as a catalyst to bring in a new DoF and move Rudders sideways. 
 

I wouldn’t necessarily want Southgate as manager but I think he would be an excellent DoF, very polished, well respected, great contacts and very much one to drive the future strategy around harnessing the academy. Carsley as head coach with maybe Steve Holland as an experienced Assistant Manager would then make a bit of sense and actually be a coherent plan. 

[RowlattsFox]

Granted, I rarely watch the under 21s but does Carsley really play free flowing people? He played more attackers when in charge of the senior team admittedly, bit I just remember the shit show at home to Greece. Decent wins against Ireland and Finland are nothing Southgate couldn't do. 

 

I can't help but feel Rohl falls into the hipster young German manager camp, and if he was English he wouldn't be getting mentioned. 

Edited 23 April by RowlattsFox

[fox_favourite]

16 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

If Carsley was to come in, would the club be breve and use that as a catalyst to bring in a new DoF and move Rudders sideways. 
 

I wouldn’t necessarily want Southgate as manager but I think he would be an excellent DoF, very polished, well respected, great contacts and very much one to drive the future strategy around harnessing the academy. Carsley as head coach with maybe Steve Holland as an experienced Assistant Manager would then make a bit of sense and actually be a coherent plan. 

It'll be the most boring group of people in football. 

[coolhandfox]

9 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

What do you have to back this up though? In some respects he hasn't been given the opportunity to properly 'build' something, even though I'd argue he did to some extent at Burnley. By Premier League standards, Burnley had no financial pulling power. At Everton the situation he inherited was pure chaos and was constantly putting out fires. Neither were optimal environments for building something like Big Nige was able to do here just over a decade ago. 

It's just personal opinion.

 

We need to develop player form the academy or those we buy to sell on to fund growth.

 

I'm not sure playing Dyche is brand of football, develop players that are desirable to bigger clubs.

 

Like I say it's personal opinion, if you think he's the right guy that's a totally valid opinion too.

 

 

 

 

Edited 23 April by coolhandfox

[JimJams]

24 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

 

I can't help but feel Rohl falls into the hipster young German manager camp, and if he was English he wouldn't be getting mentioned. 

I think anybody that did what he did at Wednesday when they looked dead and buried would be mentioned. 

However I think that's why he should have been a frontrunner to takeover from Cooper. Now, not so much. 

[Bilo]

4 minutes ago, JimJams said:

I think anybody that did what he did at Wednesday when they looked dead and buried would be mentioned. 

However I think that's why he should have been a frontrunner to takeover from Cooper. Now, not so much. 

I think the opposite.

 

If he'd come into the toughest league in the world, with enormous scrutiny, and failed, that could have been it for his career in English football. 

 

If he takes a job at a (likely) promotion chasing club with deeper pockets in a league he's familiar with, it's a more natural and sensible progression.

 

If he does get us promoted, it's important that we pull out the stops to keep him. In fact, I'd keep him even if we just fell short so long as there was clear progression and identity. We haven't had a manager stay for more than a year than Rodgers, and it shows. 

[Winstonthedog]

10 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I too found Maresca's football boring, for the most part. However, that was far from my biggest issue with him. I don't think his football got the best out of our squad. We lost 11 games in the championship under him. 

This Maresca worship is to much .... facts are he had half a good season and the other half was average at best ... look at the points lead he squandered... football was one dimensional and at times boring .. ask Chelsea fans if they enjoy his football 

[LVFox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Big red flag on the lack of young players Rohl has opted for in his time at Sheffield Wednesday. They already had a nucleus of experienced journeyman but he's added a lot more too, albeit a slightly better calibre.

 

It's enough for me to not want him. Although the mandate on bringing through academy players and the ethos of being brave to build a team of young players has to be instilled by powers above and any manager has to follow through with that. If Rohl could do it then there's plenty to like about him, but I'd be asking questions why he's favoured experience.

Think this is a little harsh. 5 players 21 or under in his last squad, certainly gave Bailey Cadamarteri serious minutes last season. He's not proven on bringing players through for sure, but there's enough there for me to suggest he's not anti-young players.

 

[Bilo]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Big red flag on the lack of young players Rohl has opted for in his time at Sheffield Wednesday. They already had a nucleus of experienced journeyman but he's added a lot more too, albeit a slightly better calibre.

 

It's enough for me to not want him. Although the mandate on bringing through academy players and the ethos of being brave to build a team of young players has to be instilled by powers above and any manager has to follow through with that. If Rohl could do it then there's plenty to like about him, but I'd be asking questions why he's favoured experience.

I think this is a fair question, but we need context. Their academy is miles off ours for a start, lessening the opportunity to bring through youth. Then it comes down to how much freedom he had in the transfer market to bring in players, what the scouting network is like and so on.

 

Sheffield Wednesday is an odd situation, because of Chansiri's stunning incompetence, in that any perceived failings are probably going to come with heavy caveats while any successes would be in spite of the setup. 

[Vazman]

8 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

Dyche's best performance with Burnley was finishing 7th in 2017-18 and qualifying for Europe.  True, he only had one other top ten finish, 2019-20.  Unfortunately by then the chairman had stopped investing on players, and by the time Dyche got sacked Burnley FC had £80m in the bank.  (Now we have negative £60m because the outgoing chairman took it all with him and replaced it with an IOU from the incoming, skint chairman).

 

He only had two full seasons at Championship level with Burnley.  2013-14, P46 W26 D15 L5, F72 A37, 93 points, second.  2015-16 P46 W26 D15 L5, F72 A35, 93 points, first.

 

The first of those seasons, we had finished 11th the year before under Eddie Howe and were forced to sell our only saleable asset, Charlie Austin.  All Dyche could sign were free transfers from Bristol City, Huddersfield, and Wiigan.  (Admittedly they were Tom Heaton, Scott Arfield, and David Jones, and a better free-transfer window there has never been.)

 

And as Leicester supporters know perfectly well, if you have a side less inclined to fanny about at the back and more inclined to get the ball to your goalscorer in prime position, and it wins you the league, it is entertaining.  

 

Incidentally, for those who think he isn't the man to build, in his first PL season he demanded that his transfer budget be reduced and the money spent on a new training ground (cost £11m, incidentally).  He was not happy that the first PL promotion had done nothing for the club infrastructure.

Thanks for the insite and info, it's always good to get snipits like this.

[Beliall]

Dyche for me. wanted him the last few times he was available. i dont care if hes not glamourous he'll get the job done and sort out the mess. and thats what we need.

[teblin]

We didn’t want to pay a release clause for a manager last season. Will we want to this season?

 

Rohl, did an excellent job last year, decent this in the circumstances. But is a risk.

 

Dyche would be against possession decisions but would probably get us promoted 1st time. Not my choice.

 

Plenty of choice out there, but I don’t see us looking too far away unfortunately.

[Stadt]

Dyche could manage upwards better than anybody else which is why he’s what we need.

[Finnegan]

Just now, Stadt said:

Dyche could manage upwards better than anybody else which is why he’s what we need.

 

I'm so disappointed in you 

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, teblin said:

We didn’t want to pay a release clause for a manager last season. Will we want to this season?

 

Rohl, did an excellent job last year, decent this in the circumstances. But is a risk.

 

Dyche would be against possession decisions but would probably get us promoted 1st time. Not my choice.

 

Plenty of choice out there, but I don’t see us looking too far away unfortunately.

I suppose that will depend on whether we want to learn from our mistakes or continue making them. 

[Stadt]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'm so disappointed in you 

It’s just snobbery, if we land a successful, progressive manager and they take us up we’re in the same cycle as Leeds, Norwich, Southampton etc - or - they jump ship like Maresca (small chance they stay).

 

For the task at hand he’s a good fit. There’s no point banging on about Fischer, Stephan etc because the club c unts haven’t heard of them.

[FoxesBraun]

Problem is with Dyche, he’s not a long-term appointment for me. It’s more of papering over cracks for a year, getting us up with his anti-football and then the cycle restarts.

 

I’d much rather a riskier appointment like Rohl or Carsley - someone who can implement their methods for the future and build on it.

[Ted Maul]

Fully behind Dyche. Wouldn't be unhappy with Carsley either. 

[FoxesBraun]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Big red flag on the lack of young players Rohl has opted for in his time at Sheffield Wednesday. They already had a nucleus of experienced journeyman but he's added a lot more too, albeit a slightly better calibre.

 

It's enough for me to not want him. Although the mandate on bringing through academy players and the ethos of being brave to build a team of young players has to be instilled by powers above and any manager has to follow through with that. If Rohl could do it then there's plenty to like about him, but I'd be asking questions why he's favoured experience.

Think the overall situation at Wednesday has been the issue not him. He’s not had much to work with, with that lunatic in charge and they’re punching well above their weight. If he goes, I guarantee they’ll be straight back down.

 

We’ve got some exciting talents here that he could definitely work with if he’s given the right backing.

Edited 23 April by FoxesBraun

[Aleksz]

24 minutes ago, FoxesBraun said:

Problem is with Dyche, he’s not a long-term appointment for me. It’s more of papering over cracks for a year, getting us up with his anti-football and then the cycle restarts.

 

I’d much rather a riskier appointment like Rohl or Carsley - someone who can implement their methods for the future and build on it.

Spot on. With the next manager having to turf out 10 big lumps that he’s brought in that can’t pass or dribble a ball 5 yards. 

[Sankey93]

10 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Im sure the a majority of the clubs with less of a wage bill feels it’s superior to theirs. 

“8/1 start of season 

talk of play offs 

and they were active in the window to push on the previous seasons strong finish”

 

 

 

Maybe your right but imagine trying to get the best out of your players that ain’t getting paid etc be tough. 

[Ricey]

38 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

Spot on. With the next manager having to turf out 10 big lumps that he’s brought in that can’t pass or dribble a ball 5 yards. 

This is it for me. We need to implement a style of play that is manager agnostic. Something that a new manager can slot into it. Dyche would create a squad that very few other managers would be able to do anything with, especially if we want to establish ourselves back in the Premier League.

[ronnup]

Take Postecoglu?

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

It’s just snobbery, if we land a successful, progressive manager and they take us up we’re in the same cycle as Leeds, Norwich, Southampton etc - or - they jump ship like Maresca (small chance they stay).

 

For the task at hand he’s a good fit. There’s no point banging on about Fischer, Stephan etc because the club c unts haven’t heard of them.

 

It's not snobbery it's just sense. 

 

I don't think Dyche football would be in any way an intelligent way to get us out of the Championship in the first place. Everyone's going to see us coming and be terrified even the second time around, teams are still going to be playing defensive against us and we'll still have to break it down. 

 

It's also silly to suggest getting promoted and playing anti football is the only way to stay up. 

 

We keep talking about Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, etc on here but for good reason. They've all gone up and established themselves without having to resort to caveman football. They all had the good sense to know when they had to park the bus occasionally when the got promoted, it wasn't all naive silliness. But they're also capable of beating sides. 

 

I don't need us to hire the next Pep, I'm happy with a different tactical approach, we can play fast counter attacking football, sit in a lower block and wait for transition. I don't give a shit if we make like Nuno and win off 30% possession. 

 

But Dyche is a football terrorist. I don't want that shit. He's just one man out of literally tens of thousands of coaches on the planet, it's not a case of we either deluded ourselves we can perform some miracle and get Fabregas / Still OR get Sean Dyche. 

 

Who on here is going to claim they'd have thought of Silva, Iraola, Hurzeler or Frank before they moved to English football? 

 

Granted this is all moot because our board have no imagination and they've probably already approached Martin ffs but I absolutely cannot get my head around anyone as sensible as you are trying to justify Dyche. 

 

Why on earth would you want to watch that?