Danny Rohl - incoming?

[Glasgowfox]

1 hour ago, Phild said:

Is everybody forgetting we are likely to be hampered with a 12 point (possibly more) deduction and possibly transfer embargo etc. There really is no coming back from that no matter what wonder manager you could bring in, so we are looking at mid to lower table finish which you would take given those constraints, so why would an ambitious manager like Rohl who has already said he wants to work with a big club want this falling sword. 

So how do you know it's at least 12 points or have I missed something?

[The Horse's Mouth]

Just now, Claudio Fannieri said:

You mean someone past it or shite like Cooper because that is what we talking about a manager who nobody else would poach, look how that turned out, let him bring in past it guff like Ayew and BDCR, spent a fortune on Skipp and signed a loanee in Edouard who only featured in the matchday squad a handful of minutes more than I did and to then sack him within 6 months. 
 

We have to be progressive and ambitious for whatever level we are at, so I want to see managers with high ceilings not a name who has been on the merry go round just because they are deemed old school and might ruffle a few feathers, when in truth all they will do is disengage the players with out dated tactics and methods. 

 

But why did we end up with up cooper? Dyche is a far better manager than cooper so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here 

 

So you’d rather pick a gaffer who will leave after promotion than someone who’s established in keeping clubs up in the premier league and getting promoted? Weird stance tbh, we can go for gaffers with higher ceilings when we’re an established premier league club again, if we ever get to that stage. We aren’t an attractive club to build something over a few years anymore, the manager you’re describing will get out of dodge the first chance he gets, which ends up with more panic appointments like cooper 

[Chelmofox]

2 hours ago, MonarchFox said:

My one sticking point with Rohl is that he's said he wants to go back to Germany.

 

It sort of feels a bit Maresca like where he will leave as soon as he gets the chance, leaving us looking for another manager within 12 months.

 

I know managers dont last long but I'd like to see someone try and build something here again, they are generally the most exciting times

Id rather have the concern of having a good manager that might be on clubs radars than one who we are going to be lumbered with and either have to sack or will just see out his contract.

 

We need to get to the situation where we have the next candidates lined up, rather than thinking Dyche will be here forever because no one will be pay a severance fee for him.

[Claudio Fannieri]

Just now, The Horse's Mouth said:

But why did we end up with up cooper? Dyche is a far better manager than cooper so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here 

 

So you’d rather pick a gaffer who will leave after promotion than someone who’s established in keeping clubs up in the premier league and getting promoted? Weird stance tbh, we can go for gaffers with higher ceilings when we’re an established premier league club again, if we ever get to that stage. We aren’t an attractive club to build something over a few years anymore, the manager you’re describing will get out of dodge the first chance he gets, which ends up with more panic appointments like cooper 

My stance isn’t weird, I don’t want us to settle for a manager that nobody else will come in and want to poach, it’s stinks of settling for mediocrity, when we have done well it’s always been under young progressive managers like Little, McGhee, O’Neill, Pearson, Enzo. Even Rodgers in his first 2 and a half years. 
 

Ranieri is the outlier and what he delivered was unbelievable, but in reality if we make “safe” stale appointments we are just going to fall further and further behind the rest and lose our opportunity to build a bright exciting future using our academy. 
 

Not for me, I don’t want to see Dyche here turning us into another West Brom, Blackburn, Norwich, Watford, Stoke etc 

[The Horse's Mouth]

2 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

My stance isn’t weird, I don’t want us to settle for a manager that nobody else will come in and want to poach, it’s stinks of settling for mediocrity, when we have done well it’s always been under young progressive managers like Little, McGhee, O’Neill, Pearson, Enzo. Even Rodgers in his first 2 and a half years. 
 

Ranieri is the outlier and what he delivered was unbelievable, but in reality if we make “safe” stale appointments we are just going to fall further and further behind the rest and lose our opportunity to build a bright exciting future using our academy. 
 

Not for me, I don’t want to see Dyche here turning us into another West Brom, Blackburn, Norwich, Watford, Stoke etc 

Rodgers got us relegated and was a safe and established name at the time and enzo left the first chance he got which is kinda my main point. It’s not a case of settling for mediocrity it’s a case of a candidate which levels are above where we currently are but is predefined that it won’t completely derail our future by leaving at the end of the season.

 

Bright exciting future relies purely on being a premier league club, hate to break it to you but an academy is only useful at the top level. There’s no point producing the likes of monga if they’ll be poached at the first opportunity because we lag behind and become a mid table championship side. 

 

Weird comparisons as a lot of them are different completely, are you making a style of play argument or what?

[Finnegan]

41 minutes ago, Glasgowfox said:

So how do you know it's at least 12 points or have I missed something?

 

We aren't getting a 12 point deduction and a transfer embargo. That's ridiculous. 

 

[Chelmofox]

38 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Rodgers got us relegated and was a safe and established name at the time and enzo left the first chance he got which is kinda my main point. It’s not a case of settling for mediocrity it’s a case of a candidate which levels are above where we currently are but is predefined that it won’t completely derail our future by leaving at the end of the season.

 

Bright exciting future relies purely on being a premier league club, hate to break it to you but an academy is only useful at the top level. There’s no point producing the likes of monga if they’ll be poached at the first opportunity because we lag behind and become a mid table championship side. 

 

Weird comparisons as a lot of them are different completely, are you making a style of play argument or what?

I take issue with this. Yes he did, but he went to Chelsea. If any of the big 6 come calling, any up and coming manager is going to go for it. If the top 6 weren't looking, Maresca would have stayed. It was much less likely he was going to move sideways or take a small step upwards to midtable. 

 

If Rohl was here, and he did well, it would have to be a bigger club that would convince him to go. But then, we want managers like that surely?

[les-tah]

55 minutes ago, Glasgowfox said:

So how do you know it's at least 12 points or have I missed something?

No one has missed anything its all in the air and hearsay, no credible sources or anything.. be dragged out all season through the courts and then appeal panels.

[jv1]

It’s definitely Danny rohl and it’s definitely 12 points - this chat 🤦‍♂️

[StevieH]

It's a tough job being a football manager these days. Seems there's a total lack of respect for them. Take issues at Leicester with Vestagard and Winks refusing to stay one night a week and players being resistant to strength and conditioning. Quite pathetic when you think of what they are paid. Player power has taken over and managing them wouldn't be easy. Part of me wants Dyche in to sort them out, but would the spoilt brats just rebel even more. It's a fine line.

[whoareyaaa]

19 minutes ago, les-tah said:

No one has missed anything its all in the air and hearsay, no credible sources or anything.. be dragged out all season through the courts and then appeal panels.

There should be a rule in place where points deductions must be decided at the start of a season, having it half way through a season is criminal.

[coolhandfox]

Not a chance we get a 12 point deduction.

 

You get that for going into administration, not a chance they get that to stick under a legal challenge.

 

At most it will be 6 points, I think it highly likely to be nothing.

 

 

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

45 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

We aren't getting a 12 point deduction and a transfer embargo. That's ridiculous. 

 

I don’t get the comments either. Precedent is how much for breaching, 6 ? We are, regardless of what any organisation says, first time offenders IF found in breach. We haven’t been found in breach previously. 
 

Why are we all of sudden getting the mother of all points deductions ? It can’t just be because the PL/EFL want to punish us ? They can want whatever they want, it’s an independent adjudicator who decides. 

[dooflip]

23 minutes ago, StevieH said:

It's a tough job being a football manager these days. Seems there's a total lack of respect for them. Take issues at Leicester with Vestagard and Winks refusing to stay one night a week and players being resistant to strength and conditioning. Quite pathetic when you think of what they are paid. Player power has taken over and managing them wouldn't be easy. Part of me wants Dyche in to sort them out, but would the spoilt brats just rebel even more. It's a fine line.

I think we need to take a really hard line against this. You’re either in 110%, committed to the cause, running through walls for the team, or you can rot in the reserves and never play for the club again or find a move elsewhere. Take the hit, play the kids if we have to, and if that means struggling so be it, it would set a precedence long term.

 

Sadly, I cannot see our hierarchy approving of such action.

[AjcW]

They’ll give us a deduction they think we’ll accept. They won’t want to risk something being challenged and losing again 

[FrankieADZ]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

We aren't getting a 12 point deduction and a transfer embargo. That's ridiculous. 

 

probably be like 7/8/9 and a fine, and being told we've been very naughty 

[Richmondfox]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

My stance isn’t weird, I don’t want us to settle for a manager that nobody else will come in and want to poach, it’s stinks of settling for mediocrity, when we have done well it’s always been under young progressive managers like Little, McGhee, O’Neill, Pearson, Enzo. Even Rodgers in his first 2 and a half years. 
 

Ranieri is the outlier and what he delivered was unbelievable, but in reality if we make “safe” stale appointments we are just going to fall further and further behind the rest and lose our opportunity to build a bright exciting future using our academy. 
 

Not for me, I don’t want to see Dyche here turning us into another West Brom, Blackburn, Norwich, Watford, Stoke etc 

I agree.  I can’t see Dyche developing any of the limited talent we have but filling the team with even more cloggers that we will be stuck with when (if) promoted.  The KP donkey sanctuary is already full. 

[Ian S]

3 hours ago, Phild said:

Is everybody forgetting we are likely to be hampered with a 12 point (possibly more) deduction and possibly transfer embargo etc. There really is no coming back from that no matter what wonder manager you could bring in, so we are looking at mid to lower table finish which you would take given those constraints, so why would an ambitious manager like Rohl who has already said he wants to work with a big club want this falling sword. 

We are not getting 12 points, where have you got that nonsense from. As for transfer embargo , I have no idea but hasn’t there just been a transfer window where we could have signed players ? . Wouldn’t they have put any embargo on us before that? Just asking, maybe there is a reason.

[Guest Bilo]

FWIW, I think we're more likely to get away with a fine and a ticking off than being landed with a double figure points deduction. Such a sanction would fall apart like a wánker's hankie under legal scrutiny given it's our first breach, precedents of far smaller deductions for the same offence and the fact that a similar deduction exists for going into administration. 

 

It'll be no more than 6, and even that might be pushing it. 

[Phild]

2 hours ago, Glasgowfox said:

So how do you know it's at least 12 points or have I missed something?

Think you mixed uo the word likely with least. 

[FoxinNotts]

Not been mentioned for a while, but does anyone want to speculate on how many points we might be deducted?

[Claridge]

1 hour ago, StevieH said:

It's a tough job being a football manager these days. Seems there's a total lack of respect for them. Take issues at Leicester with Vestagard and Winks refusing to stay one night a week and players being resistant to strength and conditioning. Quite pathetic when you think of what they are paid. Player power has taken over and managing them wouldn't be easy. Part of me wants Dyche in to sort them out, but would the spoilt brats just rebel even more. It's a fine line.

i’d be quite happy for Dyche to come in and smash 90% of our squad in the face to be honest

[murphy]

4 hours ago, Phild said:

Is everybody forgetting we are likely to be hampered with a 12 point (possibly more) deduction and possibly transfer embargo etc. There really is no coming back from that no matter what wonder manager you could bring in, so we are looking at mid to lower table finish which you would take given those constraints, so why would an ambitious manager like Rohl who has already said he wants to work with a big club want this falling sword. 

There is such a lot of assumptions in that statement.

 

I think we have the best squad in the league with good youth prospects coming through.  I think we win the league and even with a points deduction we could get automatic or play offs.

 

And where does the number 12 come from?  As far as I'm aware no one has ever had a 12 point deduction for PSR.

[JimmyC74]

26 minutes ago, Ian S said:

We are not getting 12 points, where have you got that nonsense from. As for transfer embargo , I have no idea but hasn’t there just been a transfer window where we could have signed players ? . Wouldn’t they have put any embargo on us before that? Just asking, maybe there is a reason.

Think the logic was that 12 was a starting point - using Everton as the comparison (Prem recommended 12 but IC discounted down to 10, then 6 on appeal) but we hadn’t played nice so unlikely to receive discount for being cooperative.

 

But who knows. 

Edited 28 June 2025 by JimmyC74

[FrankieADZ]

20 minutes ago, Bilo said:

FWIW, I think we're more likely to get away with a fine and a ticking off than being landed with a double figure points deduction. Such a sanction would fall apart like a wánker's hankie under legal scrutiny given it's our first breach, precedents of far smaller deductions for the same offence and the fact that a similar deduction exists for going into administration. 

 

It'll be no more than 6, and even that might be pushing it. 

probably will be double figures but on appeal it will go down,

they like to dance that dance, to show some flexing/peacocking