Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[Claudio Fannieri]

27 minutes ago, Bilo said:

9 will be what the EFL/PL recommend. The independent commission will tell them to stop being silly. It'll end up becoming anywhere between 4 and 6.

Agreed and assuming we appeal which usually means a reduction, as you say I think it will start at 9 and then end up at 6 maximum. 

[Lad1966]

3 hours ago, RyCleary said:

Expecting 9 points according to Rob Dorsett

Doesn’t matter what he’s expecting. 

[Simonb]

If it does turn out to be maximum of 9 points, I'd take that as a win. If Marti can stabilise whats left of the current crop, with 2 maybe 3 new recruits (loans most likely) then I'd be more than confident of a shout at the top 6. Top 2 was always a struggle anyway, I fancy Ipswich to run away with it, then after the window it'll be much of a muchness between us, Sheffield United, Birmingham and Southampton before a deduction.

 

Definitely keeps us competitive for the top 6 though. Will be out the bottom 3 by match day 10

[urban.spaceman]

When are people going to learn that there’s a huge, huge difference between what journalists  think we’re going to be deducted, what the EFL/Premier League WANT to deduct from us, and what our representatives will achieve for us in the independent panel. 
 

The EFL/PL both made multiple accusations and charges against us in the last two years. They failed to prove a single one against us. In fact, they actively managed to prove we hadn’t broken any of their rules. Worse, THEY are the ones who had broken their own rules. They even admitted their own rules were poorly written. We’re literally 4-0 up. 
 

Ignore the likes of Dorsett making predictions. It’s not based upon anything other than guesswork, ignorance of what’s actually happened, and fealty to the hand that feeds. 

[coolhandfox]

5 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

When are people going to learn that there’s a huge, huge difference between what journalists  think we’re going to be deducted, what the EFL/Premier League WANT to deduct from us, and what our representatives will achieve for us in the independent panel. 
 

The EFL/PL both made multiple accusations and charges against us in the last two years. They failed to prove a single one against us. In fact, they actively managed to prove we hadn’t broken any of their rules. Worse, THEY are the ones who had broken their own rules. They even admitted their own rules were poorly written. We’re literally 4-0 up. 
 

Ignore the likes of Dorsett making predictions. It’s not based upon anything other than guesswork, ignorance of what’s actually happened, and fealty to the hand that feeds. 

100% this.

 

It's not down to the PL or EFL to decide whether we are guilty and what the punishment is.

 

 

What's happened so far:

 

All that's happened so far is Arbitration Tribunal’s decided the PL has jurisdiction, Leicester City for the alleged breaches of:

 

- the EFL Championship Profit and Sustainability Rules (P&S Rules) for Season 2023/24

 

- the club’s obligation to provide its Annual Accounts to the Premier League by 31 December 2024

 

- the club’s obligation to provide full, complete and prompt assistance to the Premier League in response to the League’s inquiries 

 

What happens next

 

For PSR/P&S cases, the matter will be handed to an independent Commission to determine whether there is a breach and, if so, what the sanction should be.

 

All proceedings before an independent Commission are confidential and heard in private. This includes the date and location which can’t be announced in advance

 

The sanction if any could be: 

 

- There are a range of sanctions available to the independent Commission which include fines, points deductions, and other sporting sanctions

 

If it had happen the PL would have made the find public via it website.

 

- Under Premier League Rule W.83.3, at the conclusion of proceedings, an independent Commission’s final decision will be made public via the Premier League’s website.

 

So at the moment Rob or anyone else is just guessing and filling column inches.

Edited 16 July 2025 by coolhandfox

[Muzzy_no7]

Anything more than 6 would be extremely unfair compared to what has already been dished out. 
 

[ClaphamFox]

It’s hard to know what to make of the Dorsett comment. I haven’t seen the clip, but it sounds like he just casually dropped the claim about -9 points into a conversation about the appointment of Cifuentes. As far as I can tell, he hasn’t chosen to publish a story on it or tweet about it, which you would fully expect him to do if it was a story he’d just uncovered. . 
 

The reason I don’t think it can be dismissed entirely is that Dorsett is a cautious journalist who only tends to write or say things that he’s pretty confident in. I also get the impression he’s one of the very few journalists who occasionally obtain genuine info from inside the club. On several occasions in recent years he has been the first to shoot down inaccurate stories about us. Somebody at the club talks to him.
 

It would be interesting to see the clip. I’d like to know whether it’s just Dorsett’s personal view (in which case it doesn’t mean much), the view of the PL/EFL (which would likely be an overestimation of the final deduction) or the view within the club (in which case there might be something in it).

Edited 16 July 2025 by ClaphamFox

[SB87_LCFC]

Until it's set in stone we can't make any judgement calls. PSR and breaches is a lot of old nonsense as other clubs have been breaking the rules for years and getting away with it. 

 

We get what we deserve, when we do, we wipe our mouths and move on, let it be lessons learnt to the idiots who've got us into this mess. 

 

If Dorsett is accurate and it is 9 points, I would certainly see that as a win, but I don't think it will be the end of it, I think behind closed doors we expect a transfer embargo too, which is why we are seeing a lot of the kids in pre-season. 

[coolhandfox]

5 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

It’s hard to know what to make of the Dorsett comment. I haven’t seen the clip, but it sounds like he just casually dropped the claim about -9 points into a conversation about the appointment of Cifuentes. As far as I can tell, he hasn’t chosen to publish a story on it or tweet about it, which you would fully expect him to do if it was a story he’d just uncovered. . 
 

The reason I don’t think it can be dismissed entirely is that Dorsett is a cautious journalist who only tends to write or say things that he’s pretty confident in. I also get the impression he’s one of the very few journalists who occasionally obtain genuine info from inside the club. On several occasions in recent years he has been the first to shoot down inaccurate stories about us. Somebody at the club talks to him.
 

It would be interesting to see the clip. I’d like to know whether it’s just Dorsett’s personal view (in which case it doesn’t mean much), the view of the PL/EFL (which would likely be an overestimation of the final deduction) or the view within the club (in which case there might be something in it).

Unless the independent panel has taken place he it's a best a guess.

 

It's would be very unwise the club or the PL to share any information with a journalist before an independent panel held in private.

 

 

Edited 16 July 2025 by coolhandfox

[CosbehFox]

It's all noise. Journos can't get anyway near that committee. The club are briefing that they think a deduction would be recoverable in two games (ie. max of 6 points) 

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

It's all noise. Journos can't get anyway near that committee. The club are briefing that they think a deduction would be recoverable in two games (ie. max of 6 points) 

Interesting. Where have you heard that?

[Pliskin]

7 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

When are people going to learn that there’s a huge, huge difference between what journalists  think we’re going to be deducted, what the EFL/Premier League WANT to deduct from us, and what our representatives will achieve for us in the independent panel. 
 

The EFL/PL both made multiple accusations and charges against us in the last two years. They failed to prove a single one against us. In fact, they actively managed to prove we hadn’t broken any of their rules. Worse, THEY are the ones who had broken their own rules. They even admitted their own rules were poorly written. We’re literally 4-0 up. 
 

Ignore the likes of Dorsett making predictions. It’s not based upon anything other than guesswork, ignorance of what’s actually happened, and fealty to the hand that feeds. 

Spot on. 

[st albans fox]

I’m thinking six and I reckon the club might decide to take that on the chin if they think that will be the end of it 

[Happy Fox]

6 points deduction, isn't insurmountable for automatic promotion. The championship won't be as strong as last year imo, yes some teams have signed good players but we are a 20 goal striker away imo from getting automatic promotion imo.

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I’m thinking six and I reckon the club might decide to take that on the chin if they think that will be the end of it 

I want it to be six simply to be able to witness the collective mental breakdown on social media from fans of other clubs who'd convinced themselves it would be 15 or something...

[Richmondfox]

5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I want it to be six simply to be able to witness the collective mental breakdown on social media from fans of other clubs who'd convinced themselves it would be 15 or something...

But then we play the first 10 games with Soumare, Faes, Daka and Ayew to make it more difficult on ourselves. 

[Ric Flair]

I've also heard the club are confident it'll only be between 4-6 points, whether that's with the confidence of an appeal i'm not sure.

[Pliskin]

35 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I want it to be six simply to be able to witness the collective mental breakdown on social media from fans of other clubs who'd convinced themselves it would be 15 or something...

It would further highlight how bad these rules and regs actually are. 

[CornwallFox]

I suppose without debate over pure guesswork forums like this wouldn't exist. But I can't get excited about any of this until there's a firm, factual decision.

[Vlad the Fox]

38 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I want it to be six simply to be able to witness the collective mental breakdown on social media from fans of other clubs who'd convinced themselves it would be 15 or something...

Oh no, I want us to find some tiny loophole that gets us off completely free again and then the meltdown will be so so special. 

[Pliskin]

What people have also got to consider is we are now cooperating with the independent panel…. Previously we didn’t need to as the EPL had breached their own regulations through misinterpretation. So there’s nothing aggravated about that, as the EPL are rather pathetically claiming…. So as far as the independent panel are concerned this is a fresh claim for which we are cooperating. Forest had a more lenient punishment for this, so I’m expecting potentially if anything at all, 6 reduced to 4. 

[filbertway]

So...the punishment for clubs with inifinite money breaking rules is to fine then 10,20,30 million?

 

[katieakita]

Well hopefully any independent commission will look at the actions of the EPL and EFL and find their conduct and treatment of us it the same as the treatment others have received. Would imagine it would be very hard to prove their failure to enforce the rules on others has not impacted on us

[Skidmark]

The standard of the Championship and our run in could be a huge factor to this. 

 

This season, lets face it the biggest threats are probably Ipswich and possibly Birmingham if they bounce. 

 

Our run in in the past few months is decent, and should we be a few points back around Feb, I'd fancy us to go straight up.

 

All depends on if we get a decent striker in of course. 

[fazzyfox]

4 hours ago, filbertway said:

So...the punishment for clubs with inifinite money breaking rules is to fine then 10,20,30 million?

 

Always reminds me of this scene