Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[Molson Canadian]

 

5 minutes ago, danny2997 said:

Wonder what chatgpt thinks?

 

Hi ChatGPT Foxestalk Forum Member danny2997 asked: Wonder what chatgpt thinks? - Can you please give us your answer.

 

What I think is most likely:

I think Leicester will be found in breach of at least one charge, most likely the P&S breach for 2023/24, and I think a points deduction is more likely than not.

Why I think that:

1. The Premier League would not have reopened this unless they were confident on jurisdiction
   After losing the earlier jurisdiction case, the PL tightened the wording and went back in. That strongly suggests they believe the legal angle is now solid.

2. The case has gone all the way to a full independent Commission hearing
   These don’t happen for weak or marginal cases. If Leicester were comfortably compliant, this would likely have been resolved earlier with no referral.

3. There are three separate charges, not one
   Even if Leicester successfully argue down the headline P&S number, the late accounts and lack of cooperation charges are procedural and much harder to fully escape.

4. Recent precedent points one way
   Everton and Forest established that:

   • breaches are punished

   • deductions are real

   • “good faith” arguments don’t prevent sanctions
     Commissions now feel empowered to deduct points rather than just fine.

How big do I think it would be?

• I do not expect a huge Everton-style deduction.

• My expectation would be something like:

  • 3–6 points, depending on:

    • size of the P&S breach (if proven)

    • whether more than one charge is upheld

    • mitigation (promotion, cooperation after the fact, sales made)

When do I think it will hit?

• I think the ruling will come late winter / early spring 2026

• And if there is a deduction, I think it will be applied immediately, not deferred.

Important caveat (why this isn’t certainty):
Independent Commissions do sometimes:

• reduce penalties significantly

• suspend part of a deduction

• or combine procedural breaches into a single sporting sanction

So clearance isn’t impossible — just, in my view, less likely than some form of punishment.

One-line summary you can quote on FoxesTalk:

“I think Leicester probably lose this case in part, and a modest points deduction is more likely than not — the only real question is how big and when, not whether.”

[Xen]

We seem to have decided that the best way to negate a points deduction is to play badly enough that it wont make any difference to our final league position...

[woznotwos]

Should take an extra point for tonight as well. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Let this sink in £201m of losses in our last 3 accounts, with a likely 4th on the horizon, 2 abject relegations, languishing in the bottom half of the Championship, a points deduction on the horizon and a rumoured further PSR breach ……. And this is where we are, what a lesson in mismanagement from Aiyawatt and Rudkin and yet some continue to sing their praises. Unbelievable. 

[Scotch]

12 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Let this sink in £201m of losses in our last 3 accounts, with a likely 4th on the horizon, 2 abject relegations, languishing in the bottom half of the Championship, a points deduction on the horizon and a rumoured further PSR breach ……. And this is where we are, what a lesson in mismanagement from Aiyawatt and Rudkin and yet some continue to sing their praises. Unbelievable. 

All.that and we just promoted one of the main driving factors behind it....

[wardyfox86]

20 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Let this sink in £201m of losses in our last 3 accounts, with a likely 4th on the horizon, 2 abject relegations, languishing in the bottom half of the Championship, a points deduction on the horizon and a rumoured further PSR breach ……. And this is where we are, what a lesson in mismanagement from Aiyawatt and Rudkin and yet some continue to sing their praises. Unbelievable. 

But beers and doughnuts, and teddy bears... 

 

... TEDDY BEARS!!! 

[fox_favourite]

22 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Let this sink in £201m of losses in our last 3 accounts, with a likely 4th on the horizon, 2 abject relegations, languishing in the bottom half of the Championship, a points deduction on the horizon and a rumoured further PSR breach ……. And this is where we are, what a lesson in mismanagement from Aiyawatt and Rudkin and yet some continue to sing their praises. Unbelievable. 

You'll never sing that. 

 

Shows the incompetence that Rudkin has in his role, yet is still in a job. That also shows that Top is incompetent to allow a moron run us into the ground. 

 

The only way this is improving is with KP out so we can get new ideas and direction. We're a broken club ran by spinless incapable donkeys 

[ConnFoxUS]

Is there any room to argue that this ownership/board is punishment enough for the breach(es)? 
A points deduction feels like overkill when we’re run by an incompetent group already. 

[lcfc_forever]

Worth a read about how smaller clubs can’t enjoy prolonged success because of the way football is structured: 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6982800/2026/01/21/crystal-palace-demise-lessons/?source=twitteruk

 

PSR is rubbish and sadly so is the board, the whole thing stinks. 

[davieG]

1 hour ago, lcfc_forever said:

Worth a read about how smaller clubs can’t enjoy prolonged success because of the way football is structured: 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6982800/2026/01/21/crystal-palace-demise-lessons/?source=twitteruk

 

PSR is rubbish and sadly so is the board, the whole thing stinks. 

We don't want another Leicester

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, davieG said:

We don't want another Leicester

Certainly not another 2022-2025

[StanSP]

20 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Let this sink in £201m of losses in our last 3 accounts, with a likely 4th on the horizon, 2 abject relegations, languishing in the bottom half of the Championship, a points deduction on the horizon and a rumoured further PSR breach ……. And this is where we are, what a lesson in mismanagement from Aiyawatt and Rudkin and yet some continue to sing their praises. Unbelievable. 

And yet some melons think the owners are innocent and haven't presided over the worst decline in our club's history... 

[Claudio Fannieri]

I do get that PSR favours the bigger clubs with the highest revenues however this does not offer any excuses or absolve blame from our board who have made some absolute rank bad decisions. 
 

-  Daka offered £70k per week when he was earning circa £7k per week at RB Salzburg

 

-  Offering Soumare £80k per week 

 

- Winks £90k per week, Coady 100k per week,  

 

-  23/24 paying out 106% of revenue in wages

 

- £25m on Skipp 

 

The list goes on and on and on, this has nothing to do with PSR this has been poor decision making. 

[Vowels]

34 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I do get that PSR favours the bigger clubs with the highest revenues however this does not offer any excuses or absolve blame from our board who have made some absolute rank bad decisions. 
 

-  Daka offered £70k per week when he was earning circa £7k per week at RB Salzburg

 

-  Offering Soumare £80k per week 

 

- Winks £90k per week, Coady 100k per week,  

 

-  23/24 paying out 106% of revenue in wages

 

- £25m on Skipp 

 

The list goes on and on and on, this has nothing to do with PSR this has been poor decision making. 

Coming here with your logic and reason. 

[Vowels]

48 minutes ago, davieG said:

We don't want another Leicester

 

There will never be another Leicester and that's what makes it so special.

[murphy]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I do get that PSR favours the bigger clubs with the highest revenues however this does not offer any excuses or absolve blame from our board who have made some absolute rank bad decisions. 
 

-  Daka offered £70k per week when he was earning circa £7k per week at RB Salzburg

 

-  Offering Soumare £80k per week 

 

- Winks £90k per week, Coady 100k per week,  

 

-  23/24 paying out 106% of revenue in wages

 

- £25m on Skipp 

 

The list goes on and on and on, this has nothing to do with PSR this has been poor decision making. 

That is an eye-watering list but it doesn't scratch the surface.  The mismanagement has been epic.

[Langston]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I do get that PSR favours the bigger clubs with the highest revenues however this does not offer any excuses or absolve blame from our board who have made some absolute rank bad decisions. 
 

-  Daka offered £70k per week when he was earning circa £7k per week at RB Salzburg

 

-  Offering Soumare £80k per week 

 

- Winks £90k per week, Coady 100k per week,  

 

-  23/24 paying out 106% of revenue in wages

 

- £25m on Skipp 

 

The list goes on and on and on, this has nothing to do with PSR this has been poor decision making. 

 

100%.. PSR didn't have a gun to our heads when we extended Vestergaard's contract for three years either..

[lcfc_forever]

13 minutes ago, Langston said:

 

100%.. PSR didn't have a gun to our heads when we extended Vestergaard's contract for three years either..

Agree, but then you see the mismanagement at Man Utd for many years, Man City buying a whole new squad and not having major repercussions, you know the system is rigged.
 

One bad summer transfer window screwed us, began the downward spiral and the board have compounded it with one awful decision after another. 

[Winstonthedog]

I'm beginning to hope not only do they throw the book at us .... they throw the whole fuc*ing library.... we need a regime change or some honesty from the club to explain why we are such a sh1t show 

[Les-TA-Jon]

12 hours ago, Langston said:

 

100%.. PSR didn't have a gun to our heads when we extended Vestergaard's contract for three years either..

It did if we needed a CB and couldn't afford to sign one

 

It's why players like Choudhury and Thomas are still here, years after being obvious that they were only good enough to be squad players for us at best.

 

Squad player starts coming towards the end of their contract, PSR + financial situation means you have little headroom to sell them for a small fee and fund a replacement, so you're only option is to extend their contract. Same kinda applies to Ricky P and Vestergaard. And Stolarczyk starting when he's not quite good enough. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

12 hours ago, Langston said:

 

100%.. PSR didn't have a gun to our heads when we extended Vestergaard's contract for three years either..

Yeah nice one Enzo me duck.

[jonny_wright]

The sad thing about the whole situation is we’ve sold good first team players for decent money, just to pay the wages of the mercenaries like Winks etc stuck here on large wages. 
 

Although in theory we should have money to spend, we actually have none

[Spudulike]

7 minutes ago, jonny_wright said:

The sad thing about the whole situation is we’ve sold good first team players for decent money, just to pay the wages of the mercenaries like Winks etc stuck here on large wages. 
 

Although in theory we should have money to spend, we actually have none

So other than players wages, where's it gone? Are we paying off King Power debt? I dunno 

[Claudio Fannieri]

3 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

So other than players wages, where's it gone? Are we paying off King Power debt? I dunno 

In 23/24 we were paying out 106% of our revenue on wages, that’s before any other running costs and expenditure is taken into account. Its is absolutely business and financial mismanagement to be operating at those levels and explains how we managed to lose over £200m over our last 3 submitted accounts. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

So other than players wages, where's it gone? Are we paying off King Power debt? I dunno 

Most of it will have been swallowed up by us trying to get back to zero, for PSR