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Stevosevic

Russell Martin

By Stevosevic, in Leicester City Forum

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deep blue

deep blue

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Just now, john ridley said:

Pity they don't get some outside advice,even a chat with big nige might make them think abit.They should realise  by now they are out of their depth. 

This is exactly what they should be doing, and big Nige is the obvious person to turn to.  However, the likelihood of such an "innovative" thought crossing their minds is low, and even were it to do so, if rumours of past friction between Nige & Rudkin are true then that makes it even less likely.

Foxin_Mad

Foxin_Mad

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24 minutes ago, stu said:

Struggling to understand why people think we'd be relegated again with Martin in charge.

 

I know he isn't a popular appointment, but there is no logic in thinking we'd get relegated from the Championship purely down to him managing us and his style of football that you couldn't also say about any other manager being appointed.

Because he’s a clown in a clown fest, this club is a mess we don’t need more of the same clown. He is a terrible manager worse than Rudd. Only fluked the playoffs with Saints.

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cityfanlee23

cityfanlee23

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I watched the Lineker interview back last night, he shows a fair bit of emotional intelligence and understanding of players and football, but it's so frustrating. Everything about that interview is something I can get behind APART from the playstyle. If it is Martin, I believe he would leave the club in a far more sustainable position than what he would be inheriting, and I don't mind going up then coming back down as part of a long term continuity plan where we build sustainably without needing £150m spending sprees then massive clear outs when we go down,  Martin is pretty much everything I want from a manager apart from the style. 

I can envision a situation where if we do sign RM, in 12 months we will have a lower wage bill, a younger squad with a lot more potential and an identity, I just think he would then get sacked 6 months later in the prem, but we would definitely be in a stronger position for a new boss to take over. 

 

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stu

stu

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42 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Because he’s a clown in a clown fest, this club is a mess we don’t need more of the same clown. He is a terrible manager worse than Rudd. Only fluked the playoffs with Saints.

Personally I don't know how winning the play offs can be classed as a fluke, but I assume you mean in relation to not being in the automatic positions, which is a more understandable if a little harsh argument based on the unbeaten run they went on and the strength of the top 4 teams that season, beating 3rd placed Leeds in the final.

 

Either way my point was that people were saying we'd be relegated with him as manager.

 

However much a mess the club is in and his questionable style of football he plays you've just confirmed why that opinion has no foundation and highlighted why anyone without a manager in the championship aspiring to be promoted would be interested in him.

Lambert09

Lambert09

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44 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I watched the Lineker interview back last night, he shows a fair bit of emotional intelligence and understanding of players and football, but it's so frustrating. Everything about that interview is something I can get behind APART from the playstyle. If it is Martin, I believe he would leave the club in a far more sustainable position than what he would be inheriting, and I don't mind going up then coming back down as part of a long term continuity plan where we build sustainably without needing £150m spending sprees then massive clear outs when we go down,  Martin is pretty much everything I want from a manager apart from the style. 

I can envision a situation where if we do sign RM, in 12 months we will have a lower wage bill, a younger squad with a lot more potential and an identity, I just think he would then get sacked 6 months later in the prem, but we would definitely be in a stronger position for a new boss to take over. 

 

The issue is that everyone assumes he can do it again, when the reality is that last year he had the 2nd best squad and came 4th (imo).

 

I think burnley, Leeds and Sheffield all had one thing in common this season, they were solid at the back and didn’t concede silly goals. The most accurate  comparison is with Middlesbrough who would have been comfortably in the playoffs if they didn’t gift goals every week through over playing. 
 

The club think he’s a safe bet but I really do think they are over simplifying the search and we’d be better off with at least 10 other realistic candidates. 

 

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Foxin_Mad

Foxin_Mad

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1 hour ago, stu said:

Personally I don't know how winning the play offs can be classed as a fluke, but I assume you mean in relation to not being in the automatic positions, which is a more understandable if a little harsh argument based on the unbeaten run they went on and the strength of the top 4 teams that season, beating 3rd placed Leeds in the final.

 

Either way my point was that people were saying we'd be relegated with him as manager.

 

However much a mess the club is in and his questionable style of football he plays you've just confirmed why that opinion has no foundation and highlighted why anyone without a manager in the championship aspiring to be promoted would be interested in him.

Playoffs are a complete lottery really, like this year Cov were the better side but got knocked out by Sunderland sucker punches. 
 

I think he got a very good Southampton side finishing a few places lower than it should and they concede an alarming number of goals, which is something we are really not great with. We need to scrap this stupid pep light idea. There are many better managers, possibly Rudd included, who made Martins Southampton side look even worse. 

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Jattdogg

Jattdogg

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Rudkin reads this thread for decision making yet ultimately just ignores it as he flips a coin.

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pmcla26

pmcla26

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Martin would get the best out of McAteer, Mavididi and Fatawu. at Southampton, he often used two 10s (rather than a 10 and a 9) in the build up that create a box in midfield and pushes the wingers really high and wide as an outlet to attack the space centrally that’s vacated when centre-backs try to push on to mark the two 10s. 
 

 

LW                      RW

          10.   10 

           8.      8 

 

 

CrispinLA in Texas

CrispinLA in Texas

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20 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Rudkin reads this thread for decision making yet ultimately just ignores it as he flips a coin.

You seen the latest final destination movie......the coin symbolizes sickening danger coming ahead

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gurru991

gurru991

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3 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Northampton in the 60s rise and fall must be up there

Apparently Leicester city and Birmingham city hold the record for promotions and relegations from the top flight at 13

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VLC86

VLC86

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3 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I watched the Lineker interview back last night, he shows a fair bit of emotional intelligence and understanding of players and football, but it's so frustrating. Everything about that interview is something I can get behind APART from the playstyle. If it is Martin, I believe he would leave the club in a far more sustainable position than what he would be inheriting, and I don't mind going up then coming back down as part of a long term continuity plan where we build sustainably without needing £150m spending sprees then massive clear outs when we go down,  Martin is pretty much everything I want from a manager apart from the style. 

I can envision a situation where if we do sign RM, in 12 months we will have a lower wage bill, a younger squad with a lot more potential and an identity, I just think he would then get sacked 6 months later in the prem, but we would definitely be in a stronger position for a new boss to take over. 

 

How much worse could it get?

CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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2 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Martin would get the best out of McAteer, Mavididi and Fatawu. at Southampton, he often used two 10s (rather than a 10 and a 9) in the build up that create a box in midfield and pushes the wingers really high and wide as an outlet to attack the space centrally that’s vacated when centre-backs try to push on to mark the two 10s. 
 

 

LW                      RW

          10.   10 

           8.      8 

 

 

Problem with that shape was the tendency to get whack on the counter attack repeatedly as your back four as zero cover. 
 

With Martin, you have the base layer of Enzo’s worst parts and then throw in the ability to hold a sensible defensive shape 

Saint1983

Saint1983

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13 hours ago, whitlock said:

Maybe this sacking from Southampton and some time out will help him reflect and adapt his tactics and ideas.

 

Sounds like he actually does understand tactics to win games when he adapts, but seems hell bent on his philosophy. Blend the two together and he could turn out to be a good manager in the game.

 

I feel so distant from the club at the moment that I genuinely don’t care if we got him.

 

Atleast his missus has great tits. 

He does understand how to change it up, that’s the frustrating part. He just cannot show any flexibility for any length of time for the betterment of the club - he’d prefer to revert to his vanity project at the very first opportunity of doing so.

 

He doubled down this season, even after 11 goals of what we’d already conceded had been down to completely avoidable defensive errors in the first part of the season. He went full Russell Martin.

 

if he’s not learned from that, he’s doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

STUHILL

STUHILL

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35 minutes ago, Hales said:

One relegation manager for another??? Wtf is wrong with Top and the board 😡

We aren't in the Premier League anymore, so it is actually 'One Promotion Manager'. Getting promoted straight back is now the target, and they are looking at Martin as someone who did that just 12 months ago. Yes, you also have to look past next season and think about how we stay up if we do get promoted, but the importance financially of not getting an immediate return, cannot be overstated. I am not necessarily for or against Martin, but I can see the appeal as a Championship club who wants an immediate return. The same can be said of Dyche. 

The Year Of The Fox

The Year Of The Fox

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19 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

We aren't in the Premier League anymore, so it is actually 'One Promotion Manager'. Getting promoted straight back is now the target, and they are looking at Martin as someone who did that just 12 months ago. Yes, you also have to look past next season and think about how we stay up if we do get promoted, but the importance financially of not getting an immediate return, cannot be overstated. I am not necessarily for or against Martin, but I can see the appeal as a Championship club who wants an immediate return. The same can be said of Dyche. 

I’d actually prefer us to stay down.
 

A complete and utter purge of our club is required. 

STUHILL

STUHILL

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1 minute ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I’d actually prefer us to stay down.
 

A complete and utter purge of our club is required. 

Fair point, but staying down might mean we are there a long time. Best chance is to go straight back up and then use that money to invest in the right players and hopefully stay up, something that I know sounds laughable after this season. I just look at some of the teams that have been stuck in the Championship or even dropped to League 1, and don't want to become that again. 

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