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4 minutes ago, MaidstoneFox said:

It's essential we have a free and active press and media to hold politicians and those in power to account, otherwise we start to enter post-Weimar Republic territory and Hitler's Enabling act of 1933.

Absolutely, the caveat of the "free" press actively being co-opted by those others in power aside. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

without trying to sound alarmist (and I do recognise that it does)  I think we are very quickly sliding in that direction across the Western world generally.   The connections that used to bind us together after WW2 are being forgotten and there is a significant rise in isolationism in lots of major countries.  "America First"...  it is no longer about protecting the global peace (if there ever technically was one) but it's about purely protecting those at home to the cost of everyone else. 

 

that type of rhetoric, if repeated across enough Western Society, only ends one way and it's not to the benefit of us all. 

Ten or twenty years ago it may have been seen as alarmist.

 

Now, I think, it's just a reasonably realistic assessment of causality, given the way things have changed in terms of tech advances and attitudes, and the Earth itself. 

 

Our species stands at a crossroads, and its fate, along with that of a great many others, depends on what we choose now. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

apropos of nothing in particular but I think it sums him up very succinctly 
 

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It's not even just about the obvious deceit - that's hardly unique for him among the politician fraternity. 

 

It's what that deceit results in. 

Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

apropos of nothing in particular but I think it sums him up very succinctly 
 

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While true, this is pathetically reductive. Says nothing about the corruption, malice or support for murderous regimes

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

While true, this is pathetically reductive. Says nothing about the corruption, malice or support for murderous regimes

It wasn’t anything deep ……..

just observational based on when I’ve seen him in press interactions 

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Posted
5 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

without trying to sound alarmist (and I do recognise that it does)  I think we are very quickly sliding in that direction across the Western world generally.   The connections that used to bind us together after WW2 are being forgotten and there is a significant rise in isolationism in lots of major countries.  "America First"...  it is no longer about protecting the global peace (if there ever technically was one) but it's about purely protecting those at home to the cost of everyone else. 

 

that type of rhetoric, if repeated across enough Western Society, only ends one way and it's not to the benefit of us all. 

I agree, and I would add to that that in general people are becoming far more individualistic too. 

 

Country first, my community first (whatever that may be), us first, me first. It all feeds into each other, especially when things are challenging and living standards are declining and inequality is rising. 

Posted
1 hour ago, ajthefox said:

I agree, and I would add to that that in general people are becoming far more individualistic too. 

 

Country first, my community first (whatever that may be), us first, me first. It all feeds into each other, especially when things are challenging and living standards are declining and inequality is rising. 

oh yeah, I 100% agree with that. 

 

Maslow's hierarchy of needs isn't it basically.... For lots of the population they have lost the security of a roof over their head and food on the table, or at the very least, they are finding it hard to provide or maintain those basic needs. 

 

until they can fix those problems, they don't have capacity to think about anyone or anything else. 

 

when the social contract breaks, it's really hard to re-build a cohesive society. 

 

for lots of people.... they don't see the point in working hard and going that extra mile to progress, as the promise of homeownership feels like a distant dream.... that apathy in effort, effects productivity at a national level, so our GDP doesn't grow and businesses can only grow profits by reducing cost. 

 

where people are struggling to provide for themselves, they typically have less children.  We are miles below the replacement rate in the UK, so there are less and less working people shouldering the tax burden of an ageing population. 

 

The obvious way to solve that is through skilled immigration....  but.....isolationism and all that..... 

 

It's a vicious circle. 

 

a doom loop really. 

 

 

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Posted

Bell hotel injunction overturned 

expect protests to increase 

fwiw, it’s important that the Home Secretary regains legal controls that she should have.  But maybe they could also announce that this particular hotel is no longer going to be used 

Posted
16 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Bell hotel injunction overturned 

expect protests to increase 

fwiw, it’s important that the Home Secretary regains legal controls that she should have.  But maybe they could also announce that this particular hotel is no longer going to be used 

Would that not simply be giving in to the protesters,  making them more likely elsewhere.  

Posted
50 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Bell hotel injunction overturned 

expect protests to increase 

fwiw, it’s important that the Home Secretary regains legal controls that she should have.  But maybe they could also announce that this particular hotel is no longer going to be used 

Only one thing for it, deploy more flags.

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Posted

Is anyone else getting pushed shitloads of right wing shit on their social feeds in the past day or so?

 

There is usually the odd thing that sneaks in but the volume has ramped up for me, not sure why since I haven't changed any online activity at all recently.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Robo61 said:

Would that not simply be giving in to the protesters,  making them more likely elsewhere.  

 saw this quote elsewhere which suggests they have to go to another appeal

“This hearing granted the government leave to appeal, the actual case will be fully resolved in October”

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Is anyone else getting pushed shitloads of right wing shit on their social feeds in the past day or so?

 

There is usually the odd thing that sneaks in but the volume has ramped up for me, not sure why since I haven't changed any online activity at all recently.

I’ve had it happen to me before. You make one mistake of clicking on some post about Trump on a completely different site and suddenly your YouTube feed is flooded with “10 times Jordan Peterson destroyed the libs” videos.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Nalis said:

Is anyone else getting pushed shitloads of right wing shit on their social feeds in the past day or so?

 

There is usually the odd thing that sneaks in but the volume has ramped up for me, not sure why since I haven't changed any online activity at all recently.

I struggle with what peeps called right wing, I've not had anything sent to me, I love ot know what peeps are getting.

Posted
15 hours ago, Sampson said:

I’ve had it happen to me before. You make one mistake of clicking on some post about Trump on a completely different site and suddenly your YouTube feed is flooded with “10 times Jordan Peterson destroyed the libs” videos.

Tbf he does destroy a lot of people 

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I'm not sure what happened with him. Didn't agree with many things he said, but he was very articulate and intelligent in his arguments. He's now just become very very angry and weird.

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