General News Thread

[Jon the Hat]

4 hours ago, bmt said:

Still 100% in the camp of saying that police officer should have been done. In fact this post kind of shows how the two sides weren't arguing about the same thing. It was never about whether the dickhead on the floor "deserved" it or not, it was to do with the fact that it is not a police officers job to be booting people in the head. 

Obviously, it is not the ideal response, but context has to be taken into account, and in this event in the context of a very violent arrest in which officers were injured, I think making sure the guy stayed down was reasonable.

[South Shire Fox]

5 hours ago, bmt said:

Still 100% in the camp of saying that police officer should have been done. In fact this post kind of shows how the two sides weren't arguing about the same thing. It was never about whether the dickhead on the floor "deserved" it or not, it was to do with the fact that it is not a police officers job to be booting people in the head. 

Nah, should of booted him harder imo. Assaulted four people in total, attacked several officers and was reaching for their weapon. Totally justified in them feeling threatened enough to totally subdue the inbred twat in the environment they were in

Edited 11 July 2025 by South Shire Fox

[Jattdogg]

Good old Trump and his tariff threats against my beloved Canada. Another 35% announcement/threat.

 

Carney (and the rest of the world leaders) need to just say "ok, we are done...we are out and will no longer sell you anything and you cant sell us anything, we are divorcing". Go Make America 'great' again Donald.....alone.

 

So done with America and useless Americans who voted this orange-mango-pumpkin spice Palpatine into office. GFY!

 

 

[simFox]

49 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Good old Trump and his tariff threats against my beloved Canada. Another 35% announcement/threat.

 

Carney (and the rest of the world leaders) need to just say "ok, we are done...we are out and will no longer sell you anything and you cant sell us anything, we are divorcing". Go Make America 'great' again Donald.....alone.

 

So done with America and useless Americans who voted this orange-mango-pumpkin spice Palpatine into office. GFY!

 

 

So will the UK now stop VAT at the border? I won't hold my breath. 

[Md9]

1 hour ago, Jattdogg said:

Good old Trump and his tariff threats against my beloved Canada. Another 35% announcement/threat.

 

Carney (and the rest of the world leaders) need to just say "ok, we are done...we are out and will no longer sell you anything and you cant sell us anything, we are divorcing". Go Make America 'great' again Donald.....alone.

 

So done with America and useless Americans who voted this orange-mango-pumpkin spice Palpatine into office. GFY!

 

 

He is mentally not right nothing he is doing is making anything great again . The guy wants a noble peace prize but threatens to take over Greenland every other week tries to bully Canada into being a 51st state and tries to screw Ukraine over . That’s before getting ice to take every person of colour away into these disgusting prisons. Yeah defo a man of peace. must be the dumbest person ever to be in charge of a country he can’t even put a sentence together that doesn’t sound like a 2 year old having a tantrum .

hope Canada tells him to do one 
 

[st albans fox]

I think we’re technically in a ‘monthly recession’ (albeit as small as it could be)  

 

not sure how that fits with the growth agenda of the govt ………

Edited 11 July 2025 by st albans fox

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

 

So done with America and useless Americans who voted this orange-mango-pumpkin spice Palpatine into office. GFY!

Good for you?

[Parafox]

11 hours ago, bmt said:

Still 100% in the camp of saying that police officer should have been done. In fact this post kind of shows how the two sides weren't arguing about the same thing. It was never about whether the dickhead on the floor "deserved" it or not, it was to do with the fact that it is not a police officers job to be booting people in the head. 

 

And what would you have done in that situation?

 

I was an act of self defence, and it's not "people", it's one person who the officer had to deal with in a extremely volatile and stressful event where a female officer got punched to the floor and the attempt to grab the officers gun. Would you be saying the same if the guy had succeeded and then shot at the police?

 

I know who's side I'm on.

Edited 11 July 2025 by Parafox

[Tommy G]

8 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

The police don't decide whether to charge someone, or whether they are found guilty, or their sentencing.  Apart from that, this make perfect sense.

2 tier justice system, FIFY. You know what I'm getting at.

[Tommy G]

12 hours ago, bmt said:

Still 100% in the camp of saying that police officer should have been done. In fact this post kind of shows how the two sides weren't arguing about the same thing. It was never about whether the dickhead on the floor "deserved" it or not, it was to do with the fact that it is not a police officers job to be booting people in the head. 

There is always someone retrospectively calling what a police officer ''should of done''....like they've been in this situation before themselves.

 

The police are there to use reasonable force to ensure any form of threat is neutralised, off the back off in this instance a violent and cowardly assault on a female police officer.

 

He should of booted him a few more times. 

[leicsmac]

What commentators on here "would" have done in the situation described above is irrelevant and a red herring, IMO. I don't think that anyone on here is a frontline copper with that kind of associated power and responsibility.

 

Speaking personally, though, I'm glad if the guidelines for this kind of thing are rather strict because history shows very clearly that a boot to the head of someone who "deserves it" from the fuzz leads in very short order to a boot to the head of someone who really doesn't "deserve it".

Edited 11 July 2025 by leicsmac

[Tommy G]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I think we’re technically in a ‘monthly recession’ (albeit as small as it could be)  

 

not sure how that fits with the growth agenda of the govt ………

Quite the opposite, if we don't achieve the growth forecasts (which we won't) it will be more tax hikes in the autumn......as predicted 

 

One pleasing thing to come out of this shambles is Wes Streeting, he seems to be one of the ministers who has a backbone - standing up to junior Drs rather than caving, I just hope he keeps it up. 

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Good old Trump and his tariff threats against my beloved Canada. Another 35% announcement/threat.

 

Carney (and the rest of the world leaders) need to just say "ok, we are done...we are out and will no longer sell you anything and you cant sell us anything, we are divorcing". Go Make America 'great' again Donald.....alone.

 

So done with America and useless Americans who voted this orange-mango-pumpkin spice Palpatine into office. GFY!

 

 

This being the important part. 

 

6 hours ago, simFox said:

So will the UK now stop VAT at the border? I won't hold my breath. 

Can this be elaborated on a bit?

[Spudulike]

Another example of video surveillance being a positive. The Manchester Airport incident could've been another George Floyd, BLM, thing. Those MP's that were quick to stir the pot, stoking up tensions, have hopefully learned a lesson. It's not enough to delete tweets. Apologies are in order.

Edited 11 July 2025 by Spudulike

[leicsmac]

On topic, something written about a chief of police by Terry Pratchett:

 

“Every now and again I have to sack a decent copper for police brutality, and I do sack them, you may be sure of that, for doing what the average member of the public might do if they were brave enough and if they had seen the dying child, or the remains of the old woman. They would do it to restore in their mind the balance of terror.”....

 

“Often the law treats them gently, if it worries about them at all, but a copper, now, he’s a lawman—certainly if he works for me—and that means his job stops at the arrest."

 

Edit: another from the same guy:

 

"It's your job to keep the peace. You make it peaceful as quickly as you can."

Edited 11 July 2025 by leicsmac

[Foxdiamond]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

What commentators on here "would" have done in the situation described above is irrelevant and a red herring, IMO. I don't think that anyone on here is a frontline copper with that kind of associated power and responsibility.

 

Speaking personally, though, I'm glad if the guidelines for this kind of thing are rather strict because history shows very clearly that a boot to the head of someone who "deserves it" from the fuzz leads in very short order to a boot to the head of someone who really doesn't "deserve it".

Airports are particularly sensitive locations hence armed officers. The blokes on trial appear to have already assaulted a member of the public. They then engaged in a violent vicious attack on the officers. Under the particular circumstances the boot to the head directed at the bloke in question seems justified. 

[leicsmac]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

Airports are particularly sensitive locations hence armed officers. The blokes on trial appear to have already assaulted a member of the public. They then engaged in a violent vicious attack on the officers. Under the particular circumstances the boot to the head directed at the bloke in question seems justified. 

Plausibly, plausibly not. It clearly depends on the beholder.

 

I believe that the points made above still stand regardless of this, though. 

[Nalis]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I think we’re technically in a ‘monthly recession’ (albeit as small as it could be)  

 

not sure how that fits with the growth agenda of the govt ………

Reeves is so out of her depth. If this was happening under a Tory chancellor we'd all have the knives out.

 

She comes across as a nice person but thats not good enough, Starmer needs to bin her off.

[Foxdiamond]

14 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Plausibly, plausibly not. It clearly depends on the beholder.

 

I believe that the points made above still stand regardless of this, though. 

Well the kick certainly helped make the situation peaceful quickly.

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Well the kick certainly helped make the situation peaceful quickly.

Yes, that appears to be most apparent. 

 

Incidentally, I would really recommend the City Watch part of the Discworld series of anyone wants a bigger insight at how difficult it can be to be a police officer in a tricky situation where the bad guy is right there, and you have the Law on one shoulder and the Beast on the other. 

[Spudulike]

17 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Reeves is so out of her depth. If this was happening under a Tory chancellor we'd all have the knives out.

 

She comes across as a nice person but thats not good enough, Starmer needs to bin her off.

Has she mentioned further and faster yet? If in doubt, always fall back on 14 and 22. 

[Tommy G]

50 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

On topic, something written about a chief of police by Terry Pratchett:

 

“Every now and again I have to sack a decent copper for police brutality, and I do sack them, you may be sure of that, for doing what the average member of the public might do if they were brave enough and if they had seen the dying child, or the remains of the old woman. They would do it to restore in their mind the balance of terror.”....

 

“Often the law treats them gently, if it worries about them at all, but a copper, now, he’s a lawman—certainly if he works for me—and that means his job stops at the arrest."

 

Edit: another from the same guy:

 

"It's your job to keep the peace. You make it peaceful as quickly as you can."

I think you had this same stance on the Chris Kaba case too. You seem to default to the side of the offender - and question actions of police. 
 

I am not promoting that the police operate in a lawless way, but we can’t have situations where people are blindingly obviously breaking the law in violent ways and we stand there and don’t deal with it in a forceful way. 
 

There is an uprising of violence, knife crime and gun crime particularly in London, and if offenders know they won’t get the either the book thrown at them or the police don’t meet it with force then our country is going to the dogs. 

[BKLFox]

Part of the d’heads defence was that he (they) had “been taken by surprise” and believed they were being attacked as the police officers didn't identify themselves as police officers…ffs I hope the jury laughed at that bit

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I think you had this same stance on the Chris Kaba case too. You seem to default to the side of the offender - and question actions of police. 
 

I am not promoting that the police operate in a lawless way, but we can’t have situations where people are blindingly obviously breaking the law in violent ways and we stand there and don’t deal with it in a forceful way. 
 

There is an uprising of violence, knife crime and gun crime particularly in London, and if offenders know they won’t get the either the book thrown at them or the police don’t meet it with force then our country is going to the dogs. 

I would hope that no one is promoting that police act in a lawless way and goodness knows on occasion you do have to make a situation peaceful quickly, however I think the point is entirely valid that every such situation is treated very seriously, as it is a very short and easy step from justifying excessive force against someone who had it coming, to people who didn't have it coming getting the same and then being dismissed as collateral damage of that thought. 

 

And yes, I do question those with power over other people, as once again history shows very clearly what happens when that does not occur. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, always. 

[Dr The Singh]

3 hours ago, Nalis said:

Reeves is so out of her depth. If this was happening under a Tory chancellor we'd all have the knives out.

 

She comes across as a nice person but thats not good enough, Starmer needs to bin her off.

I hope she doesn't read this, she will start crying again.