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Cifuentes OUT

By Bob Weasel Fox, in Leicester City Forum

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mozartfox

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Personally I think he is hampered by the dross he inherited.  Hardly his fault that Rudkin in cahoots with 3 previous managers shipped in a load of un-flushable turds. I think any manager that came in now would face the same issues.  This season is done.  Next season there will be major squad rebuild although this must be done without Rudkin.

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Gamble92

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31 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Personally I think he is hampered by the dross he inherited.  Hardly his fault that Rudkin in cahoots with 3 previous managers shipped in a load of un-flushable turds. I think any manager that came in now would face the same issues.  This season is done.  Next season there will be major squad rebuild although this must be done without Rudkin.

Honestly don't do it. Everyone above him is ****ing awful but it's like if you took your very able dog around Hyde Park and just let it give up and start shitting all other himself and everyone like cliff Ginetta is just standing around clapping until his heart gives up cos you've gave him the wrong biscuits 

 

That's us at the minute.

 

Stop accepting it. 

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gurru991

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The man has been given a bowl of jelly and been asked to build a bridge.   The team is terrible !!!   Replacing him before we hire a director of football makes no sense.. The club is  a mess & firing the manager is like painting the living room when the basement is leaking.

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CarolinaFox

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18 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

The man has been given a bowl of jelly and been asked to build a bridge.   The team is terrible !!!   Replacing him before we hire a director of football makes no sense.. The club is  a mess & firing the manager is like painting the living room when the basement is leaking.

I get what you mean, but your metaphor doesn't really match what's happening. Is our squad unbalanced? Yes. Does it need an overhaul? Yes. But it's not a bowl of jelly either. There are far less talented squads in this league performing much better than us right now. A good manager with the right tactical identity, and man management skills would be able to get more from the squad we have. Doesn't mean that we don't a rebuild - we do, but we also need to be winning, and that takes priority. We need to find a solution to that problem first. A director of football can shape the long-term success of the club, but the club's immediate future depends on what's happening on the pitch - and the person with the most influence over that is the manager. So ask yourself: does it really make sense to believe a manager who has us 16th in the league, with just 6 wins from 18 games, will suddenly turn things around with 40% of the season already gone? Or is it more realistic to accept that Marti-ball only has one likely outcome — at best, staying in the Championship next season; at worst, relegation? And if you were in charge, what would you do about that?

 

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Gamble92

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2 hours ago, gurru991 said:

The man has been given a bowl of jelly and been asked to build a bridge.   The team is terrible !!!   Replacing him before we hire a director of football makes no sense.. The club is  a mess & firing the manager is like painting the living room when the basement is leaking.

If that bowl of jelly has Soumare or Faes building it then you deserve it to wobble

 

I don't know what I'm saying 

ALC Fox

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Is there a manager out there who can get the most out of this squad? Possibly. Maresca managed it with a relatively similar one (with the advantage of it including our greatest ever player). He also almost managed to mess it up, but it was a freak season with three quite excellent teams and another very good one.

 

Since Enzo it's been one bad appointment after another and we're 18 months down the line with players who have taken against one, two or all three managers and possibly (likely) the club itself.

 

Maresca inherited a squad that included players who didn't want to be here and turned it around, loaning some out and persuading others to join him on a ride that led to us becoming Champions.

 

Is there another manager out there who could unite a squad and get them playing for him and the club again? Almost certainly. Maresca, despite many misgivings about his style of football and the fact that both here at Leicester and now at Chelsea, the resources he's had at his disposal in both divisions outstrips most, if not all, his rivals. But he led us to our record eighth second-tier title, he won the Europa Conference League and Club World Cup, qualified for the Champions League and looks a decent bet to do so again. These achievements may be par for the course (with the exception of the Club World Cup) but as we've seen with Chelsea's travails under Graham Potter and now our own under Marti, it's never a foregone conclusion.

 

Two years on, if Enzo inherited this squad with their current mentality, the malaise that has set in around the club, the disorganisation behind the scenes and the damaged relationship with the fans, could he produce what he did before? Maybe. Maybe not.

 

There is an attainable manager out there who could do it, I'm sure. But identifying them and appointing them appears beyond the capabilities of our current board under the weight of evidence of our three most recent appointments. Marti comes across as a nice guy who did a good job at QPR under restraints. Here, he probably didn't realise how restrained he is. I hope he knew the extent of the financial situation, but the attitude, ability and togetherness (or lack of all three attributes) in his players will surely have been a surprise to him.

 

Marti's sacking seems inevitable. Getting someone in who can turn this around will be extremely difficult. But not impossible. I hope.

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Can't believe there are people here who think we should stick with him.  A managers task is to improve players and get results. The 2 wingers and 2 cms should in theory be the leagues best. We know faes and vesty are good at this level. Instead the team looks like a local park one. He needs to go. Hes also eroding fatuwas transfer fee

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MC Prussian

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7 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Personally I think he is hampered by the dross he inherited.  Hardly his fault that Rudkin in cahoots with 3 previous managers shipped in a load of un-flushable turds. I think any manager that came in now would face the same issues.  This season is done.  Next season there will be major squad rebuild although this must be done without Rudkin.

 

7 hours ago, gurru991 said:

The man has been given a bowl of jelly and been asked to build a bridge.   The team is terrible !!!   Replacing him before we hire a director of football makes no sense.. The club is  a mess & firing the manager is like painting the living room when the basement is leaking.

The team is bad, with a few flickers of hope (James for example, Fatawu, or even Mavididi). Our back four needs revamping (and has done so for months, even prior to this season). Faes is still here and thinks he's David Luiz (when he's definitely not). Our central midfield is the most expensive in the entire league, but Skipp and WInks have been (major) letdowns. The sooner Soumaré is gone, the better. Then there's Daka's scoring record.

 

Yes, Cifuentes has inherited a lot of dross. However, I do expect a manager to introduce his own style of play.

WIth Cifuentes, I see no such thing on the pitch. Again: What tactics does he deploy, what roles do his players have on the pitch? All I see are ten on-fielders passing the ball around, trying to make something happen. Our build-up play is so slow, There's little attacking intent, and most of the time, the aim is to play the ball to either winger. In the meantime, the remaining midfielders and our "striker" are so slow to get anywhere near the box, so it's all for nothing.

Our attacks through the middle are super-rare. Imagine what we could do with a few more cut-through passes to Daka (or maybe even Carranza), just like against Stoke.

 

Cifuentes wants us to play like Barcelona. Problem is, we don't have the players for it.

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ClaphamFox

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33 minutes ago, BeaumontFox said:

There were a few on twitter from blue tick accounts suggesting that the decision has been made.

 

Just whack a caretaker in for a while until we can find somebody. It can’t get worse than Marti.

I can’t find yet any credible sources that say the decision has already been made. The ones claiming it seem to be the usual suspects who are so desperate to be first to a story that they’re happy to post any old nonsense as long as it generates clicks. Sean from Enderby reckons we’re going to appoint Solskjær, which would terrify me if it came from a plausible source. Whenever we have a manager in trouble it’s always the same — loads of rumours, the vast majority of them invented for clicks. And it will be the same this time until/unless the club makes an announcement.

Fox92

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I called him a “mid table manager” after the Wrexham game. Got laughed at by some on here. I don’t even think he’s that. How he has lasted this long is beyond me. Should have been sacked months ago.

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59 minutes ago, BeaumontFox said:

There were a few on twitter from blue tick accounts suggesting that the decision has been made.

 

Just whack a caretaker in for a while until we can find somebody. It can’t get worse than Marti.

To be fair, we said it couldn't get worse than cooper or RVN. 

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If he was showing any signs of improvement then you could make a case for sticking with him but there has genuinely not been a good performance under him and we’re 15 games in

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8 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I called him a “mid table manager” after the Wrexham game. Got laughed at by some on here. I don’t even think he’s that. How he has lasted this long is beyond me. Should have been sacked months ago.

The stat of him losing more than he'd was damming for me. We aren't in a brilliant place as a club, but bloody hell we're better than that. There's a reason QPR sacked him.

 

There's 0 game plan, the only change I've seen lately is suddenly fizzing passes between LB, LM and Winks

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ClaphamFox

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11 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

To be fair, we said it couldn't get worse than cooper or RVN. 

This is the thing. We always say ‘it can’t be any worse than this’ but often we very soon find out that it can. I’ve lost faith in Marti, but I don’t think any of the other names mentioned so far would do any better with our squad. And unfortunately I don’t think Top has the contacts or know-how to make the kind of imaginative appointment that would make a difference. This is why sacking Cifuemtes before our new CEO and technical director are in place is such a risk—we just don’t have the capability in-house to identify a strong replacement.

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4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is the thing. We always say ‘it can’t be any worse than this’ but often we very soon find out that it can. I’ve lost faith in Marti, but I don’t think any of the other names mentioned so far would do any better with our squad. And unfortunately I don’t think Top has the contacts or know-how to make the kind of imaginative appointment that would make a difference. This is why sacking Cifuemtes before our new CEO and technical director are in place is such a risk—we just don’t have the capability in-house to identify a strong replacement.


Carrick would be far better than our current incumbent , we aren’t getting anyone good as CEO and technical director under Aiyawatt so expect more of the same..

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if he were a tough enough bastard to do what needs be done (put faes and winks on gardening leave, tell them they're not playing or training until they find a new club - if they want to run their contracts down their careers are over) I'd say stick, let him be the fall guy to clear the decks for a manager with tactical competence, but he's not even that. Sack this Las Rambla Rodgers

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Saints fan after the 3-0 loss:

"Leicester dominated us two years ago on both occasions, but they very much reminded me of a Martin side tonight. No fight off the ball to win it back and didn't know what to do with the ball when they had it other than pass for passing sake and by that time we can defend comfortably."

 

Sheff Utd Fan after tthe 3-2 loss:

"Leicester played slow sideways passing tippy tappy possession football with zero intent to try and score…..reminded me of us under Selles."

 

 

It's also quite interesting to note the similarities in attitudes among fans at Southampton where they were doing shit under Still and there were a number of fans saying the same thing that some of ours are saying now, that the quality isn't there in the squad and that the manager has nothing to work with, which doesn't really wash when the replacement comes in and not only wins his first 4 of 5, but has also got them scoring 15 goals in 5 games which has more than doubled their seasons tally so far.

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