Gary Rowett

[old koppite]

I dunno. The performances have improved, but it’s a “results business “ and on that he’s failed.

Just seen Davie Gs post on Crazy Stat time- Friday was the most shots on goal in a league game since we beat Everton in that magical season- so that has to give us a bit of hope? 

Edited 5 April by old koppite
Wrong date

[Collymore]

Playing youth is one thing but cultivating an environment where they can thrive so it's in the DNA of the club is another.

 

Too many managers it seems think it's a simple as throwing youth into the side and that's it,  job done,  they're only ticking the box and appeasing the fans short term. 

 

Last manager where you felt there was some sort of plan was perhaps Puel. Everyone else since has either been sidetracked by pressure of results or just wouldn't have a clue on how to cultivate that environment.

 

Sadly Rowett seems to fall under the latter. 

[Clever Fox]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

But why would such a manager leave a playoff chasing/promotion chasing team to go to a team destined for League One

 

I'm all for being ambitious, but what's more likely to happen is getting an up and coming manager from League One or Two as opposed to getting a manager from someone at a club destined for better things higher than us in the league. 

I fully understand your point but you never know why people do things in life. He wouldn't be the first manager to take a backwards step to move forward. Some have done it for money others to get out of a club where they're not happy. 

The next Pep is already out there, you just have to do due diligence and find them. 

The beauty of finding a young hungry Manager I's they don't come with baggage and are hungry for success. 

We need to clear the decks and start afresh. That's the challenge ahead. 

But the people who created this mess needs to be held accountable. For that you need KP on board. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

6 minutes ago, old koppite said:

I dunno. The performances have improved, but it’s a “results business “ and on that he’s failed.

Just seen Davie Gs post on Crazy Stat time- Monday was the most shots on goal in a league game since we beat Everton in that magical season- so that has to give us a bit of hope? 

I think so. Nice to see Daka take his chances well, surely will give him confidence and we can see how it affects his next game. Has to start ahead of Ayew.

 

Really need to tighten up at the back though. Yes, their goals had an element of luck, first barely over the line and without technology probably not given and that header was a flick on for someone at the back post, not an attempt to score, but there should have been someone there to stop either that eventuality or one of their players getting on the end of it.

 

Fans have given up hope cos we are poor, but so is our competition. Hopefully WBAs confidence is eroded after a good run, conceding a 2-0 lead at home.

[Trav Le Bleu]

13 minutes ago, Collymore said:

Too many managers it seems think it's a simple as throwing youth into the side and that's it,  job done,  they're only ticking the box and appeasing the fans short term. 

Too many fans too, though you do mention that at the end of the paragraph.

 

Not sure this applies to Rowett though, yet.

[BrilliantFox]

Poor manager, as was Cifuentes. Called it before it happened.

 

 

[sm1]

As much as we've improved under Rowett,  the results haven't been good enough. When you see how Southampton have been transformed with a new manager and lately WBA have picked up. Even 78 yr old Roy has won his 1st game. We need to win 3 out of 6 to stand any chance of staying up.

Edited 5 April by sm1

[Mike Oxlong]

He's really a journeyman manager plying his trade round the lower reaches of the championship. Nothing wrong with that but not what we needed though all we could get given how unattractive this club has become. 

[winteriscoming]

I don’t want him here next season even if we stop up. 
My worry is we’ll be stuck with him and no one else will want it. 

[RoboFox]

We look better under him but it’s not exactly hard compared to the shit we’d been served up under RVN and Cifuentes.

 

Ultimately improved performances mean **** all when you still can’t win.

[Brizzle Fox]

The reason we got stuck with someone as mediocre and unimaginative as Rowett, is yet again down to a lack of decisive decision making by the individuals who run our club.

 

Unlike say Norwich or Soton who didn't mess around in getting rid of useless and therefore allowing themselves some breathing space to be a bit more imaginative in their manager recruitment, we just let things meander and then almost on a whim got rid without any semblance of a plan to replace.

 

Panic stations then ensue and we end up with someone who is the very definition of mediocre, which is obvious if you look at his record over his whole career.

 

Might be enough to just keep us up. Might not. Either way under no circumstances should he be the manager of any club with any ambition at the start of next season.

 

 

[lookwhaticando]

46 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I don’t want him here next season even if we stop up. 
My worry is we’ll be stuck with him and no one else will want it. 

My worry is who they replace him with if we do stay up. 
 

I’m also hugely concerned by who they replace him with if we go down. 

 

I have less than zero faith they’ll hire the right man no matter what the circumstances. We’ll probably fanny about until July 20th trying to get a straight answer out of Potter again. If Rowett goes at the end of the season, his replacement isn’t arriving until about two weeks before the season, with all the knock on effects that’ll have on our planning and recruitment. 
 

Now, I’m not saying I actively want to keep Gaz… I had hoped he would have been a good fit, more points on the board by now. The progress just hasn’t been good enough, I’ve been disappointed so far… The persistence with Ayew is a sackable offence at this point. But would I rather stick with the devil we know or trust Dudkin to find someone else? Tough call… just think of the usual suspects that get linked when we’re in the market. Gerrard, anyone?

 

Edited 5 April by lookwhaticando
Added some thoughts

[winteriscoming]

10 minutes ago, lookwhaticando said:

My worry is who they replace him with if we do stay up. 
 

I’m also hugely concerned by who they replace him with if we go down. 

 

I have less than zero faith they’ll hire the right man no matter what the circumstances. We’ll probably fanny about until July 20th trying to get a straight answer out of Potter again. If Rowett goes at the end of the season, his replacement isn’t arriving until about two weeks before the season, with all the knock on effects that’ll have on our planning and recruitment. 
 

Now, I’m not saying I actively want to keep Gaz… I had hoped he would have been a good fit, more points on the board by now. The progress just hasn’t been good enough, I’ve been disappointed so far… The persistence with Ayew is a sackable offence at this point. But would I rather stick with the devil we know or trust Dudkin to find someone else? Tough call… just think of the usual suspects that get linked when we’re in the market. Gerrard, anyone?

 

If we go down I can see us ending up with Steve Bruce or Steve Evans. 
Not that I want either but we clearly are a complete mess and we will get turned down by a lot of managers. 

[lookwhaticando]

1 minute ago, winteriscoming said:

If we go down I can see us ending up with Steve Bruce or Steve Evans. 
Not that I want either but we clearly are a complete mess and we will get turned down by a lot of managers. 

Wayne Rooney almost guaranteed, because Top & Bumpkin have heard of him. 

[Lambert09]

Thanks to some favourable results we are still very this and every point will be important even if we should be winning. 
 

The fact we ‘should’ have won against Watford and Preston is at least encouraging.  Win against sheff w and Pompey and those couple of points put us in a healthy spot.  
 

Bit worrying that Mukassa’s early confidence appears to have vanished and fatawu just looks exhausted. it really is critical JJ stays fit 

[StanSP]

15 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Thanks to some favourable results we are still very this and every point will be important even if we should be winning. 
 

The fact we ‘should’ have won against Watford and Preston is at least encouraging.  Win against sheff w and Pompey and those couple of points put us in a healthy spot.  
 

Bit worrying that Mukassa’s early confidence appears to have vanished and fatawu just looks exhausted. it really is critical JJ stays fit 

Mukasa did well on Friday from what I saw. Fatawu 2nd half looked much more lively than the first. 

 

JJ has to play tomorrow if possible. 

[Account4VotingInPolls]

Rowett is setting us up in a lot of games to actually fight to win them in ways Cifuentes really wasn't. He's also gradually filtering out players without mental strength or who are mistake prone or who don't really contribute (Ayew, Page, Nelson, Monga, all of whom had many appearances under Cifuentes without doing much). He's also actively seeing which players he can trust as he goes along e.g. trying out Hamza to shore up the defence but realising Hamza never looks forward so with him we don't have threat.

 

Yeah we still cock up games. But if we conceded those 2 Preston goals under Cifuentes, that would be it. They'd probably get a third. We'd have no chances the rest of the game. How many games did you watch this season where we needed a goal with 40 minutes to play and we had literally zero chances the rest of the game? It was like a bad joke by the end. We could never win a game under Cifuentes that wasn't against some dejected side with zero fight in them. Cifuentes was actively draining our players' team cohesion as the season went on, they couldn't pass, heads were down in most second halves even if we were winning. He had them playing like strangers, Rowett has them playing like a team a lot of the time and he's really not had much time to do that so that's credit to him.

 

 

[Beachyboy]

3 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

I fully understand your point but you never know why people do things in life. He wouldn't be the first manager to take a backwards step to move forward. Some have done it for money others to get out of a club where they're not happy. 

The next Pep is already out there, you just have to do due diligence and find them. 

The beauty of finding a young hungry Manager I's they don't come with baggage and are hungry for success. 

We need to clear the decks and start afresh. That's the challenge ahead. 

But the people who created this mess needs to be held accountable. For that you need KP on board. 

We need the next Klopp not the next Pep, going for Pep ball types has led to the decline. 

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

I'm a bit torn on Rowett. I do like listening to him and don't feel he's putting up with the lazy nonsense previous managers did. 

 

He has improved individuals. Thomas has had no where near much stick since Rowett came in and Okoli somewhat similar. 

 

He has made us harder to beat on the most part but the problem which is showing is that we have such moronic braid dead players. The goals we're shipping are so bad. Fridays especially the second shows that. That's on the players.

 

I couldn't see under Marti when the next clean sheet was coming, we were abysmal. I also think Rowett has installed more of a fighting attitude, we don't draw against Preston previously. Yes we should have won though. 

 

His ppg record doesn't look good obviously but I've seen better 90 mins performances than under Marti. Should at least have won two of PNE, Stoke and Watford. Again can't blame him for that, more on the players.

 

If he keeps us up I'd keep him but would consider some other options if available 

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, Heart-Shaped Fox said:

I'm a bit torn on Rowett. I do like listening to him and don't feel he's putting up with the lazy nonsense previous managers did. 

 

He has improved individuals. Thomas has had no where near much stick since Rowett came in and Okoli somewhat similar. 

 

He has made us harder to beat on the most part but the problem which is showing is that we have such moronic braid dead players. The goals we're shipping are so bad. Fridays especially the second shows that. That's on the players.

 

I couldn't see under Marti when the next clean sheet was coming, we were abysmal. I also think Rowett has installed more of a fighting attitude, we don't draw against Preston previously. Yes we should have won though. 

 

His ppg record doesn't look good obviously but I've seen better 90 mins performances than under Marti. Should at least have won two of PNE, Stoke and Watford. Again can't blame him for that, more on the players.

 

If he keeps us up I'd keep him but would consider some other options if available 

Agree with this he has 100% made us harder to beat and instilled some mentallity into the players which was lacking under Cifuentes but the fact the squad depth is so poor is why we are struggling, it's not hard to see some posters still think we have team capable of competing at the top.

Edited 5 April by whoareyaaa

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Has he though? We are certainly no better than we were under Cifuentes up to end of December.

I’d say performances yes, arguably no on points. So depends how you look it, but case for either yes or no.

[DAS Boot]

He’s crap

[Richmondfox]

1 hour ago, Account4VotingInPolls said:

Rowett is setting us up in a lot of games to actually fight to win them in ways Cifuentes really wasn't. He's also gradually filtering out players without mental strength or who are mistake prone or who don't really contribute (Ayew, Page, Nelson, Monga, all of whom had many appearances under Cifuentes without doing much). He's also actively seeing which players he can trust as he goes along e.g. trying out Hamza to shore up the defence but realising Hamza never looks forward so with him we don't have threat.

 

Yeah we still cock up games. But if we conceded those 2 Preston goals under Cifuentes, that would be it. They'd probably get a third. We'd have no chances the rest of the game. How many games did you watch this season where we needed a goal with 40 minutes to play and we had literally zero chances the rest of the game? It was like a bad joke by the end. We could never win a game under Cifuentes that wasn't against some dejected side with zero fight in them. Cifuentes was actively draining our players' team cohesion as the season went on, they couldn't pass, heads were down in most second halves even if we were winning. He had them playing like strangers, Rowett has them playing like a team a lot of the time and he's really not had much time to do that so that's credit to him.

 

 

We wouldn’t need to fight as hard if the wingers didn't stand still, wait till they get doubled up on then try to skin them instead of passing and moving into space. Marti had shit tactics, Gary has zero other than leave them to their own devices. These two make Cooper look like a genius with his everyone apart from JJ play on the left wing tactics. 
 

[HankMarvin]

28 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

We wouldn’t need to fight as hard if the wingers didn't stand still, wait till they get doubled up on then try to skin them instead of passing and moving into space. Marti had shit tactics, Gary has zero other than leave them to their own devices. These two make Cooper look like a genius with his everyone apart from JJ play on the left wing tactics. 
 

Probably why Cooper had Swansea get to the playoffs twice and finish 4th then get Forest promoted.

[Spanner73]

4 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

I fully understand your point but you never know why people do things in life. He wouldn't be the first manager to take a backwards step to move forward. Some have done it for money others to get out of a club where they're not happy. 

The next Pep is already out there, you just have to do due diligence and find them. 

The beauty of finding a young hungry Manager I's they don't come with baggage and are hungry for success. 

We need to clear the decks and start afresh. That's the challenge ahead. 

But the people who created this mess needs to be held accountable. For that you need KP on board. 

Clear the decks all you like ! 
But KP will still be here and nothing whatsoever will change whilst they remain. 
I hope everyday that I’ll hear that they have plans to move sell up and we can all breath a huge sigh of relief that this nightmare is over