League One - Who manages us?

[Stuntman_Mike]

The thought of Martin genuinely gets worse every time it crosses my mind. 

 

The big rebuild with a real leader will remain an arrogant 'too good for this league' grim football. 

 

Can't wait for this to be over and done with!

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

My only hope is that we end up messing up appointing Martin. 
Seem to remember that Potter was all but done and then within a few hours it was Cooper. 

 

I'm not sure if that's a comforting thought or not

 

Genuinely think we're only about halfway there on Top's journey to ruin the club

[Silebyfox_89]

Would love to know what other "offers" Martin has had since his Rangers stint?

He'd be better off going Saudi and away from the UK for his own reputation.

[Happy Fox]

Is anyone surprised who else would this regime target? McCarron wasn’t going to deviate from what Rudkin and Aiyawatt want..

 

[winteriscoming]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I'm not sure if that's a comforting thought or not

 

Genuinely think we're only about halfway there on Top's journey to ruin the club

Agree. 
Just when you think we can’t hire anyone worse than the previous manager we do. 

[when_you're_smiling]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Look we’d all rather he find a little bit of decency in his otherwise miserable character to sell us and leave now. Nobody would actively ‘want’ administration and the effects that come with it including people’s jobs and the indignity and reputational damage it comes with. 
 

Those like Spanner73, well they can confirm if that is the case, but I believe they would also feel as I have said above. But, there is the feeling now that it is inevitable and that administration and being taken over as at least a going concern, is the best case scenario and going out of business altogether the worst. We are not functioning as a business, we are essentially insolvent in terms of money coming and out. 
 

So all those people are saying is, if it is inevitable, just end the pain so we can move forwards. I said this to someone yesterday but don’t mistake someone wanting to get it out the way and move forward to a brighter future as just wanting the club to tank.

You don’t have to explain it. I know what you want and why you want it.

 

But it boils down to ‘I want what I want and sod anyone else for who whose lives would be much more seriously affected as a consequence’. That’s not just staff. It would leave any local businesses that are owed money not getting what they’re owed.

 

I get why people are worried about administration too, but it is not inevitable. Bar the few seasons we’ve been in Europe we’ve practically always been insolvent if you look at in a way that you would normal businesses and that’s since way before the Thais. We had a worse wage to turnover ratio the last time we got relegated to League One. There was debts then as well and a huge wage bill, but also this time around we have much more sellable assets, and everyone hopes they get sold. Not to mention we actually own a stadium this time and parachute payments that will pay much of those debts.

 

Yes in my opinion (but I could be wrong) appointing Russel Martin is not likely to help get promotion straight off and not getting it would put us into the unknown. But no matter what - actually wishing people’s lives are harmed so you get what you want is selfish bollocks.

[Chelmofox]

4 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Is anyone surprised who else would this regime target? McCarron wasn’t going to deviate from what Rudkin and Aiyawatt want..

 

Unless McCarron is also in the 'they've just got to get Brussel out of the way' camp.

 

I cant imagine anyone at Man City thought that Russell Martin was anything other than a joke.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Chelmofox

[kingfox]

I think Top being so in love with Maresca plays a huge part in his decision making, Maresca’s style got us promoted before, so how do we go back and try and replicate it, unfortunately Russell Martin becomes a realistic option in that conversation. 
 

But we all know how this will go if appointed, it’s just possession based football to another extreme. 
 

You’re then relying on pretty much a 10/10 transfer window to make it potentially work, with so many specific players that have technical qualities, you fail to get in the right ball-playing goalkeeper, defenders and midfielders, then the style will just collapse like a house of cards.

 

Cardiff managed to get promoted last season by being possession dominant, but it begs the question, why on earth didn’t we just appoint Brian Barry-Murphy last summer.

[LCFCJohn]

1 minute ago, when_you're_smiling said:

You don’t have to explain it. I know what you want and why you want it.

 

But it boils down to ‘I want what I want and sod anyone else for who whose lives would be much more seriously affected as a consequence’. That’s not just staff. It would leave any local businesses that are owed money not getting what they’re owed.

 

I get why people are worried about administration too, but it is not inevitable. Bar the few seasons we’ve been in Europe we’ve practically always been insolvent if you look at in a way that you would normal businesses and that’s since way before the Thais. We had a worse wage to turnover ratio the last time we got relegated to League One. There was debts then as well and a huge wage bill, but also this time around we have much more sellable assets, and everyone hopes they get sold. Not to mention we actually own a stadium this time and parachute payments that will pay much of those debts.

 

Yes in my opinion (but I could be wrong) appointing Russel Martin is not likely to help get promotion straight off and not getting it would put us into the unknown. But no matter what - actually wishing people’s lives are harmed so you get what you want is selfish bollocks.

Where did I say I want it? I clearly have said I don’t want it. I am just explaining what people mean as you don’t seem to quite get what they are saying. 

[The Doctor]

4 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

You don’t have to explain it. I know what you want and why you want it.

 

But it boils down to ‘I want what I want and sod anyone else for who whose lives would be much more seriously affected as a consequence’. That’s not just staff. It would leave any local businesses that are owed money not getting what they’re owed.

 

I get why people are worried about administration too, but it is not inevitable. Bar the few seasons we’ve been in Europe we’ve practically always been insolvent if you look at in a way that you would normal businesses and that’s since way before the Thais. We had a worse wage to turnover ratio the last time we got relegated to League One. There was debts then as well and a huge wage bill, but also this time around we have much more sellable assets, and everyone hopes they get sold. Not to mention we actually own a stadium this time and parachute payments that will pay much of those debts.

 

Yes in my opinion (but I could be wrong) appointing Russel Martin is not likely to help get promotion straight off and not getting it would put us into the unknown. But no matter what - actually wishing people’s lives are harmed so you get what you want is selfish bollocks.

no-one actively wants us to go into administration. The point is that administration is inevitable unless these twats who run the club suddenly develop a competence for running a club that they haven't shown any signs of in nearly a decade. On that basis, those jobs will be lost either way, does it matter if it's done now or in 12-18 months

[Chelmofox]

2 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I think Top being so in love with Maresca plays a huge part in his decision making, Maresca’s style got us promoted before, so how do we go back and try and replicate it, unfortunately Russell Martin becomes a realistic option in that conversation. 
 

But we all know how this will go if appointed, it’s just possession based football to another extreme. 
 

You’re then relying on pretty much a 10/10 transfer window to make it potentially work, with so many specific players that have technical qualities, you fail to get in the right ball-playing goalkeeper, defenders and midfielders, then the style will just collapse like a house of cards.

 

Cardiff managed to get promoted last season by being possession dominant, but it begs the question, why on earth didn’t we just appoint Brian Barry-Murphy last summer.

Someone needed the balls to tell Top that Russell is actually different to Maresca.  Russell is like a joke tribute version of all the possession managers on steroids. Southampton uses to pass sideways across the defensive line in the premier league whilst pinned back near the goalkeeper - against top opposition. It was almost self harm.

 

 Brian Barry-Murphy suffered from being involved in the era where anyone who wasnt Enzo was put on the sh1t list by our players. They didnt like his training - which makes sense really because our players are largely not fit enough.

[FrankieADZ]

just shows the Sporting Director is nothing but a puppet....a show piece or hes just completely lazy 

going for Martin is a complete waste of time, showed the last couple of seasons hes poor and out dated, 

 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Woken up to many texts from Charlie Methven saying exactly what a lot of us are saying.

 

What on earth are we playing at going for Martin. Have we not learnt anything yet? Not to mention how appalling he's done at Rangers and made a mockery of by us whenever we've played his teams but League One is not an environment to go in to it arrogant and trying to play possession football. Cleverley tried it at Plymouth and was nigh on bottom at Xmas and changed to counter attacking football and thrived. Looked at Lincoln with the lowest possession in the league and pissing it. You need a high calibre squad and a high calibre manager to get that type of football to work and we'll have neither.

 

 

Whilst I don’t like Martin, we are going to be seen as the big fish in League One teams are going to sit back against us.

 

We probably still end up with the best squad in League One.

 

I think it naive to think we we will not be stuck with the most possession, so it going to be hard to play counter attacking football.

Edited 51 minutes ago by coolhandfox

[GLC]

10 hours ago, jv1 said:

Nah - you ain’t claiming nothing pal after your yo yo it’s him - it isn’t him - oh no my source was right - what a load of absolute crap

 

I was just posting what he was saying. 
calm down lad 😂

[Philkeavo]

Rudkin is an administrator, plain and simple. This managerial appointment is all Aiyatwatt. He will never be challenged. I simply refuse to believe it’s anything other than him because the alternative is that other Board members support (rather than just do their Leaders bidding) is incomprehensible. 

[adamkhalifa]

I just woke up, from a nightmare. But, we are actually living this now. 

How has this Top fella, destructed a legacy in less than 10 years. The guy is a moron. 

This Martin appointment will speed up the process of elimination.

The club going into Administration looks inevitable. 

 

Challinor please. Sir

[Happy Fox]

3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Whilst I don’t like Martin, we are going to be seen as the big fish in League One teams are going to sit back against us.

 

We probably still end up with the best squad in League One.

 

I think it naive to think we we will not be stuck with the most possession, so it going to be hard to play counter attacking football.

But counter attacking football nullifies possession based football, we are going to get hit on the counter and inevitably concede a lot of goals whether we can outscore the opposition remains to be seen.

[adamkhalifa]

Just now, Philkeavo said:

Rudkin is an administrator, plain and simple. This managerial appointment is all Aiyatwatt. He will never be challenged. I simply refuse to believe it’s anything other than him because the alternative is that other Board members support (rather than just do their Leaders bidding) is incomprehensible. 

I agree. I used to vent against Rudkin. But this is all on Top. The guy is just thick, with loads of cash. It's burning fast though. Lets see 

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Whilst I don’t like Martin, we are going to be seen as the big fish in League One team as going to sit back against us.

 

We probably still end up with the best squad in League One.

 

I think it naive to think we we will not be stuck with the most possession.

I think this is a lazy rhetoric if i'm honest. Atletico Madrid over the last decade or more of Simeone being i  charge would in 90% of matches be expected to have 60% + possession due to the same approach from the opposition and yet its less than that.

 

One thing is clear, with principles like Martin where he takes it to the extreme we certainly would have 65-70% every game with the game plan by teams to expose us by physicality and defensive errors and it'll be groundhog day.

[Muzzy_no7]

I feel sick 

[kingfox]

15 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Someone needed the balls to tell Top that Russell is actually different to Maresca.  Russell is like a joke tribute version of all the possession managers on steroids. Southampton uses to pass sideways across the defensive line in the premier league whilst pinned back near the goalkeeper - against top opposition. It was almost self harm.

I reposted some stats last night from the 23/24 season.

 

10+ pass open play sequences

1) Southampton - 1042

2) Leicester - 875

 

That’s a laughable gap that just indicates how nauseatingly extreme Russell Martin’s football is.

[lcfc_forever]

25 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I think Top being so in love with Maresca plays a huge part in his decision making, Maresca’s style got us promoted before, so how do we go back and try and replicate it, unfortunately Russell Martin becomes a realistic option in that conversation. 
 

But we all know how this will go if appointed, it’s just possession based football to another extreme. 
 

You’re then relying on pretty much a 10/10 transfer window to make it potentially work, with so many specific players that have technical qualities, you fail to get in the right ball-playing goalkeeper, defenders and midfielders, then the style will just collapse like a house of cards.

 

Cardiff managed to get promoted last season by being possession dominant, but it begs the question, why on earth didn’t we just appoint Brian Barry-Murphy last summer.

Re. BBM, I think that was the plan but player power stopped him getting the role plus wanting to move on fully from Ruud's time in charge - can't remember if it was Percy or Collomosse but one of them wrote about how some of the players weren't impressed with his training sessions. 

[when_you're_smiling]

19 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Where did I say I want it? I clearly have said I don’t want it. I am just explaining what people mean as you don’t seem to quite get what they are saying. 

Apologies aiming it at you personally the , but I absolutely get what others are saying.

 

To sum it up, anyone wanting administration is a selfish twat.

 

Oh and this is all not to mention an instance of a firm recently who went into administration but who came out because it was bought out by another company owned by the same owners. Thankfully no jobs losses as a result but it wiped millions of debt off including the tens of thousands owed to other nearby family businesses. 

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Woken up to many texts from Charlie Methven saying exactly what a lot of us are saying.

 

What on earth are we playing at going for Martin. Have we not learnt anything yet? Not to mention how appalling he's done at Rangers and made a mockery of by us whenever we've played his teams but League One is not an environment to go in to it arrogant and trying to play possession football. Cleverley tried it at Plymouth and was nigh on bottom at Xmas and changed to counter attacking football and thrived. Looked at Lincoln with the lowest possession in the league and pissing it. You need a high calibre squad and a high calibre manager to get that type of football to work and we'll have neither.

 

 

Ric just slapped his dick on the table.

[FrankieADZ]

on martin, lets not forget....the 3 league games against us when he was at Saints....he lost 4-1,5-0 and 3-2

and in the first 2 we could have easily won by more

 

appointing Martin shows nothing has changed at the club, they still believe the style of play is the key, even tho its kinda out dated now, even pep went away from it the last couple of seasons...

just shows the club is still in the past as well