League One - Who manages us?

[Foxdiamond]

Just hope Another Club FC outbid our ridiculous attempt to land Martin

[Lionator]

30 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I think Top being so in love with Maresca plays a huge part in his decision making, Maresca’s style got us promoted before, so how do we go back and try and replicate it, unfortunately Russell Martin becomes a realistic option in that conversation. 
 

But we all know how this will go if appointed, it’s just possession based football to another extreme. 
 

You’re then relying on pretty much a 10/10 transfer window to make it potentially work, with so many specific players that have technical qualities, you fail to get in the right ball-playing goalkeeper, defenders and midfielders, then the style will just collapse like a house of cards.

 

Cardiff managed to get promoted last season by being possession dominant, but it begs the question, why on earth didn’t we just appoint Brian Barry-Murphy last summer.

They play completely different systems though, it’s not even as if Martin is poundshop Maresca. Enzo’s teams are far more assertive and he always tried to promote individual talent. 

[Happy Fox]

2 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Just hope Another Club FC outbid our ridiculous attempt to land Martin

I think it’s pure speculation that other clubs want Martin probably his agent trying to speed up us to make him an offer.

[Pliskin]

Initially I thought that it may be a good idea, lower league, had some success at Southampton, and has a clear style of play. However, when you actually break it down, he has had no real success bar Southampton, he is incredibly arrogant, properly believes in his own nonsense and is even more stubborn than Enzo, but not even half as good as Enzo. 
 

At this time we need an adaptable, strong leader….. not a space cadet who probably doesn’t even care if it goes wrong because he is getting paid a wedge. 
 

It wouldn’t surprise me if he gets paid more than most of the outfield players at this level bar his own team. 
 

It just Prost proves yet again they don’t get it……

[tomtom]

5 minutes ago, Lionator said:

They play completely different systems though, it’s not even as if Martin is poundshop Maresca. Enzo’s teams are far more assertive and he always tried to promote individual talent. 

You could have done with telling our fanbase that when Maresca was here!

[Libertine]

Just pictured the announcement tweet of him sitting in the stadium holding the shirt up and smiling, and did a big sick.

[Cropwellfox]

2 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

I think it’s pure speculation that other clubs want Martin probably his agent trying to speed up us to make him an offer.

Can’t see who realistically would - Blackburn or Watford possibly might have but they are sorted. Maybe Getafe in Spain or Nantes in France but wouldn’t see it either. 

[Tielemans63]

3 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

I think it’s pure speculation that other clubs want Martin probably his agent trying to speed up us to make him an offer.

 

Genuinely can't understand why any clubs would want him. His style of play is dead and he's shown 0 ability to adapt in the roles he has had. It's not like his record was anything to crow about when his style was in fashion.

 

It definitely will not work in League 1, I'm absolutely certain about that.

 

[nettle]

35 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I think Top being so in love with Maresca plays a huge part in his decision making, Maresca’s style got us promoted before, so how do we go back and try and replicate it, unfortunately Russell Martin becomes a realistic option in that conversation. 
 

But we all know how this will go if appointed, it’s just possession based football to another extreme. 
 

You’re then relying on pretty much a 10/10 transfer window to make it potentially work, with so many specific players that have technical qualities, you fail to get in the right ball-playing goalkeeper, defenders and midfielders, then the style will just collapse like a house of cards.

 

Cardiff managed to get promoted last season by being possession dominant, but it begs the question, why on earth didn’t we just appoint Brian Barry-Murphy last summer.

You make a good point about Cardiff maybe if Leicester can get in the players Martin wants it might actually work but have we got faith in that being done properly maybe this is where Mccarron comes into it. Or am I being a tad optimistic for this to happen?

[Marky mark]

The love affair with Southampton continues…..

uninspiring but would we expect anything less 

only positive thing is once we’ve sacked him in about March we can then move on from this odd obsession once and for all 

[James and his giant peach]

One thing is for sure, we do not want another miserable season and if it is Martin we have to get behind him, as booing and having a go before a ball is kicked won't help at all. If we win the first two games 3-0 he will be a god

[Sol thewall Bamba]

They were bullied out of appointing him last time (mainly by those heroes at Bournemouth away) and we know they aggregate sentiment on social media etc.

 

Need to kick the anti Martin content online up a gear if we don't want him in the absence of any opportunity to voice it in person.

[Dippy]

1 hour ago, damolcfc said:

Pass pass pass zzzzzzzzz 🤪🤪

What that doesn’t say is that we lost that game against Gillingham so the goal was simply for his own personal highlights reel. 
 

What Southampton fans are saying is basically the same as what we said to Swansea fans, though we had the benefit of being his first club and presumed he’d iron out his stubbornness. He hasn’t. He may do well with you initially if you sign him up, but eventually it’ll get old, his comments will get grating and the ridiculous mistakes will start mounting up. 

[coolhandfox]

26 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I think this is a lazy rhetoric if i'm honest. Atletico Madrid over the last decade or more of Simeone being i  charge would in 90% of matches be expected to have 60% + possession due to the same approach from the opposition and yet its less than that.

Went to watch the a few weeks ago in Madrid, they average 50% in La Liga, mainly due to being direct rather than being a counter attacking side.

 

I think we should be looking to play a klopp like style, high press, high tempo rather.

 

People seem to think you are a possession or counter attacking side, you can be both.

 

Some of our best football under Enzo was on the counter.

 

26 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

One thing is clear, with principles like Martin where he takes it to the extreme we certainly would have 65-70% every game with the game plan by teams to expose us by physicality and defensive errors and it'll be groundhog day.

 

Like I said I don’t want him.

Edited 1 hour ago by coolhandfox

[kingfox]

9 minutes ago, Lionator said:

They play completely different systems though, it’s not even as if Martin is poundshop Maresca. Enzo’s teams are far more assertive and he always tried to promote individual talent. 

You can go down the road of the nuances in style/system, but at the end of the day, the key principle is that this board clearly want a manager that will dominate possession.

 

After experiencing Maresca, it’s no surprise imo that this board clearly love the likes of Russell Martin, you can add the Graham Potter obsession in the mix too.

5 minutes ago, nettle said:

You make a good point about Cardiff maybe if Leicester can get in the players Martin wants it might actually work but have we got faith in that being done properly maybe this is where Mccarron comes into it. Or am I being a tad optimistic for this to happen?

We saw under Maresca that it’s doable. Whatever we think of some of these players nowadays, specific signings like Hermansen, Winks, Mavididi and Fatawu were absolutely crucial for Maresca’s system. 
 

We have to go down the same road if Martin is appointed. 
 

But as I said in my post you quoted, you’re relying on pretty much a 10/10 transfer window to make it work.

[coolhandfox]

26 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

But counter attacking football nullifies possession based football, we are going to get hit on the counter and inevitably concede a lot of goals whether we can outscore the opposition remains to be seen.

That's a bit of a black and white statement.

[l444ry]

Sacked for winning 1 out of 16 for Southampton in the Premier League  followed by 5 wins from 17 at a team competing in a two horse race. Can't be the stats that attracted the idiots running the ship.     

[Haywood_6]

The game has moved on from this idea, possession is the best way to win games. It only works if you have exactly the right players for it. Without a ball playing keeper, centre backs and midfielders. It all fall apart because your asking players to do something they aren't comfortable with. Mistakes happens and then the fans turn, your toast.

We're in League One and Top and Rudkin still want us to play like f***ing Barcelona.

[jv1]

35 minutes ago, GLC said:

 

I was just posting what he was saying. 
calm down lad 😂

Yea fair play - to many beers last night apologies 

[coolhandfox]

The style of football you play, possession, direct or counter attacking, is less important than actually being good at that style and playing it well.

[Cropwellfox]

2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

The style of football you play, possession, direct or counter attacking, is less important than actually being good at that style and playing it well.

Totally agree. Issue we have is that the players who may be suited to it are the ones all on rotten sums of money / attitudes and will have to be moved on, and we don’t have a ball playing goalkeeper at the club (unless Vieites is.)

With our financial situation the best thing to do would have been to build a squad of more direct players and scrappers, a bit like Hull did this season in the championship. At complete odds with whatever our board are doing. 

[teblin]

17 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

They were bullied out of appointing him last time (mainly by those heroes at Bournemouth away) and we know they aggregate sentiment on social media etc.

 

Need to kick the anti Martin content online up a gear if we don't want him in the absence of any opportunity to voice it in person.

Trouble is they will be looking at that thinking. We wanted to appoint him last summer you complained look what happened. 

[Aleksz]

Think this is a lot further down the road than Percy is willing to make out right now. If Nixon’s right and they’re trying to gather his backroom staff then it’s probably pretty close. Only saving grace is he might not be willing to take the job on if the club can’t get in the staff he wants.

[tylesta]

31 minutes ago, Libertine said:

Just pictured the announcement tweet of him sitting in the stadium holding the shirt up and smiling, and did a big sick.

Just think of Lucy pinder doing it shirtless makes it feel better

[Vacamion]

 

Brussell Fartin aka Terry Vegetables aka Neil Quornock.  

 

I know we are at a low ebb, so can't be picky, but really? That guy? 

 

He would have a massive job on his hands to win over a skeptical fanbase.

 

Any hiccups in the first few games, the crowd will be straight on his back.

 

I think this will end in disappointment and  recrimination.