League One - Who manages us?

[Grebfromgrebland]

Whoever it is we need them in and they need to have a clear idea of the job in hand and be and to get going on the rebuild and give us an identity ASAP.

 

If it's Martin then so be it there's literally no one realistic that appeals anyway.

[grth2004]

Russell Martin is next step to administration 

Next step to ultimately getting King Power out so some good news 🥴

[Cropwellfox]

6 minutes ago, surrifox said:

So when we are bottom half of L1 at Christmas and we are looking to bin him and his team  at vast expense who realistically could we get to manage us ?

Easy. Chris Davies will have been chased out of Brum by then so will be the next horrific appointment after this one. Sideways and backwards all the way down the leagues 

[winteriscoming]

7 minutes ago, surrifox said:

So when we are bottom half of L1 at Christmas and we are looking to bin him and his team  at vast expense who realistically could we get to manage us ?

Challinor. 
If he doesn’t end up anywhere else. 
He should be our no. 1 target now. 
Not the arrogant twat who we will end up with. 
Top and Rudkin have learnt nothing from previous summers when Rohl and Corberan should have been in. 
 

Edited 1 hour ago by winteriscoming

[CL Fox]

So pleased i haven't renewed.

[Stopharage]

Not sure what you lot are moaning about. 
 

Sounds like this guy just got his weekend’s back. 

 

Garden centres and visiting elderly relatives, here we go. 

[dayday]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

Possession football has never really been about the amount of possession though, it’s the intention. The intention is to have possession, rather than it being a byproduct of other factors as you are suggesting.

 

The thing that really characterises Russell  Martin’s style is a lack of intensity and movement off the ball. The aim is to keep the ball, not to score goals.

 

When we were a good side, the aim was to win the ball back and look for the most efficient way to score a goal. That’s the very basis of a good English football team. So it doesn’t matter how much possession we actually have, you can still play with a good tempo and be creative. You don’t have to (and shouldn’t) play at walking pace because you have more of the ball.

Just out of interest and my ignorance how the hell did he get Southampton promoted with what you just said 

[cropstonfox]

Glad I have renewed  ,so I can boooo every game.To actually attend games gives you the chance to be heard and to influence a few others.I don't use the term

"happy clappers" as it's childish and has an edge of bullying to it.

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[CruzNoir]

1 hour ago, HP1 said:

The only commendation he can receive for his body of work is taking Southampton back to the premier league, which is no great shakes.

 

When I hear people praising him for this I scratch my head, as though finishing 4th that year was a major success. 

 

The rest of his CV includes stinking the place  out in a 2 team league in Scotland and leaving them 8th out of 10, leaving Southampton rock bottom of the premier league in total disarray and about to accrue the lowest points tally on record and lower midtable league 1 and championship finishes with MK Dons and Swansea.

 

You can’t be serious?? 
 

Everyone, literally everyone always say how bloody difficult getting out that damn Championship is to the promise land, wether automatically or through play offs, yet because you don’t like Martin your just going too by pass that achievement? And claim it as nothing?? Give over 

 

Don’t like his style of play fair enough, done terrible everywhere else he’s been fair enough, thrown players under tanks and don’t like his persona bla bla bla yeh that’s fine, that can all be said.

 

Don’t discredit a factual decent achievement though just because you don’t like him.

 

Let’s hope he gets the support he needs on the rebuild from the new SD, and that atleast it’s going too be started earlier than expected if he’s to be confirmed this week.

 

 

[whoareyaaa]

51 minutes ago, dayday said:

Just out of interest and my ignorance how the hell did he get Southampton promoted with what you just said 

Any manager would have been expected to get them promoted with the team they had, like what a lot of fans said about us under Enzo

 

He still had to get them up via the play offs though so hardly inspiring, they actually finished 4th in the end.

[Chelmofox]

3 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Any manager would have been expected to get them promoted with the team they had, like what a lot of fans said about us under Enzo

 

He still had to get them up via the play offs though so hardly inspiring, they actually finished 4th in the end.

Interestingly, they had the opportunity for automatics and after we battered them they blew it.

 

Leeds had fallen apart - what a great time to play them.

[Jattdogg]

I'd rather see my 13 year old son have a go at  managing then this dude.

 

Ffs, they haven't got a long term plan at all. Useless, spineless,  out of touch vvankers.

 

Sell the club, give it away, just leave the club alone and take your debt with you. Rudkin , fuk off!

[willie-bell-in-rothley]

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

Nope, the problem is the opposite. The problem is we have no standards, we are too late to say enough is enough. There’s a clear pattern of that over the years.

 

David Speedie was over 30 years ago and he wasn’t negatively affected at all by the fans’ perception of him so doesn’t that prove you absolutely wrong?

 

How do you know he wasnt affected, my point was no one wanted him here, and he proved them wrong and won them over, the fact that it was 30 years ago just powers the point that owners will do what they want at the club, now, then and future

[lcfc sheff]

the squad needs an overhaul, will they be able to back him? or are we just going to play a style of football that doesn't play to the strengths? (after most are sold)

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, MattFox said:

Seeing KPFC types defend this appointment on socials already

"Give him a chance!" by any chance?

[MPH]

My concern about taking so long to appoint a manager is that we will have a similar situation.. we will have the usual gang making the transfers and the manager will have to work with the players we have in place and he won’t be able to get his own players in.same old same old, in other words..

[damolcfc]

1 hour ago, Stopharage said:

Not sure what you lot are moaning about. 
 

Sounds like this guy just got his weekend’s back. 

 

Garden centres and visiting elderly relatives, here we go. 

Can we make a day of it and come with you?

 

🙏

[Kilworthfox]

If the reports are to be believed regarding Russell Martin being in advanced talks to become our next manager. 

 

I am sadly unsuprised, Top clearly wants a possession style or play that was effective for teams with large budgets, not us. However we do have a large budget for league one. So no excuses for no promotion. 

 

Martin in my opinion is a product of the last 15 years, and the belief (misconception) that there is a right way to play, which is possession based at all costs. Every player should be comfortable on the ball, and starving the opposition of the ball will result in a greater chance of winning. 

 

We won the league with Morgan and Huth remember. 

 

The issue for me is he doesn't seem to learn from his defeats. He doesn't have a winning record at any of his previous managerial roles. He isn't a pragmatic man at all. Plan B anyone?

 

I am confused as to why he is lauded by a minority. 

 

I believe we are heading for a season of underachievement if he is appointed. Also of terribly boring football but I can accept that as long as results are table topping.

 

His most impressive achievement is pulling Lucy Pinder.  Fair play. Maybe we can use her to distract the oppositions goalkeeper? 

 

 

 

[inckley fox]

36 minutes ago, CruzNoir said:

You can’t be serious?? 
 

Everyone, literally everyone always say how bloody difficult getting out that damn Championship is to the promise land, wether automatically or through play offs, yet because you don’t like Martin your just going too by pass that achievement? And claim it as nothing?? Give over 

 

Don’t like his style of play fair enough, done terrible everywhere else he’s been fair enough, thrown players under tanks and don’t like his persona bla bla bla yeh that’s fine, that can all be said.

 

Don’t discredit a factual decent achievement though just because you don’t like him.

 

Let’s hope he gets the support he needs on the rebuild from the new SD, and that atleast it’s going too be started earlier than expected if he’s to be confirmed this week.

 

 

I get your point, but some promotions are a good deal more impressive than others, just like some league titles - ours for instance - easily eclipse others in terms of the scale of the achievement.

 

You only have to take a look at the list of managers who have won promotion to the Prem and that nobody semi-serious would countenance the idea of appointing. Aidy Boothroyd, Malky Mackay, Danny Wilson, Billy Davies, Neil Adams, Gary Megson, Phil Brown, Owen Coyle, Brian McDermott, Paul Jewell and, yes, Russell Martin all pulled off promotions, all should still be in management at a decent level at their age, and yet it's generally agreed that they're just not very good. I'm sure there are way, way more to add to the list too. Their success, it turned out, was down to a few twists of fate, or a perfect storm, the prior groundwork of previous managers, ample resources or maybe, if we're kind, a case of 'right man for that moment, but not for pretty much any other moment thereafter'.

 

So of course you can be kind to them and pick out the one shining moment in an otherwise awful career and point out what a fine achievement it was, but those achievements still need to be reassessed through the lens of knowing what happened next. If we didn't do that then Garry Monk would still be getting top jobs.

 

Now the reason for people not liking Martin may in part be down to his charisma and the sort of football he represents, but it's also down, in no small measure, to three key factors: (a) his career before Southampton was unimpressive, including at our current level (where fellow candidates like Challinor have done much better); (b) his career after Southampton was unimpressive (in Scotland, where fellow candidate Jimmy Thelin has done better), and (c) his career at Southampton consisted of a largely expected promotion followed by an outright humiliation. In short, up to now he's been, by and large, a mostly poor manager, and sometimes not at the most challenging of levels.

 

As for him getting the support he needs from the SD, well, that depends what that support consists of. If it's the same kind of profligacy we saw under Maresca - which saw us ill-prepared for the next level in terms of personnel, playing style, form and finances, and in hot water down the line for our spending - then I'm not sure I want to see him amply supported. I don't think he, or we, have a good enough recruitment record for trusting him with a major rebuild. I think even if it worked out in the short term, past evidence suggests it's more likely than not to go wrong in the long term.

 

Should the fans give him a chance? Of course they should, but they probably won't. That's the realistic truth, right or wrong, just as it was under Cooper. And I'll give him a chance, but we all know what we're going to think when we first lose a drab game to a mediocre outfit with 80% possession, and it's not what we might think if the same thing happened under Challinor. It'd be delusional if we preconditioned ourselves not to have those thoughts. And it'd help if Top or Rudkin were capable of coming round to that 'oh, here we go again' mentality too, because it would mean they'd finally learnt something from their litany of cock-ups. How they've managed not to, and why they'd choose to double down, defy all logic, and opt for the path which, from the off, is the most eyebrow-raising and divisive, god only knows.