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moore_94

Harry Souttar

By moore_94, in Transfer Talk

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Sly

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The fact we are potentially losing players to Wrexham. 
 

If someone had said that at the end of 15/16 ….. you’d think they were crazy. 

Jimmy

Jimmy

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1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

We should be trying to keep him and Nelson 

yes but if they won't sign a new deal we need to sell this window

ACF

ACF

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4 hours ago, Merchant_Banker said:

I thought they normally have 2 weeks off. Maybe he is keen to get back to the club.


Australia were knocked out on July 3rd so bang on 2 weeks ago

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fleckneymike

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He’s not value for money at this level. 
 

Lincoln won the league with a wage cap of 3k. Souttar will be on about 10x that. No matter his ability you can’t justify that expenditure as it’s just not needed. 
 

The average league one club loses 100k a week. We are going to be so far beyond that it’s frightening 

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fox_favourite

fox_favourite

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44 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

He’s not value for money at this level. 
 

Lincoln won the league with a wage cap of 3k. Souttar will be on about 10x that. No matter his ability you can’t justify that expenditure as it’s just not needed. 
 

The average league one club loses 100k a week. We are going to be so far beyond that it’s frightening 

This is the reason we need to sell, unfortunately. I like the bloke, but he will be head and shoulders above any other defender in the league and deserves to be at a higher level than us. If we were in the championship, we could keep him but @fleckneymike is correct, wages will be the issue not the player with this one, as I would love to keep him, but financially it just doesn't make sense, sadly. 

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Silebyfox_89

Silebyfox_89

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1 hour ago, fleckneymike said:

He’s not value for money at this level. 
 

Lincoln won the league with a wage cap of 3k. Souttar will be on about 10x that. No matter his ability you can’t justify that expenditure as it’s just not needed. 
 

The average league one club loses 100k a week. We are going to be so far beyond that it’s frightening 

Whilst true he's probably our best CB so we can't just assess strip every player and expect automatic promotion.

I'd rather move Faes and Okoli on and keep Souttar but that probably won't happen.

In an ideal scenario we loan him out and have all his wages covered and comes back when we've been promoted.

fleckneymike

fleckneymike

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2 hours ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Whilst true he's probably our best CB so we can't just assess strip every player and expect automatic promotion.

I'd rather move Faes and Okoli on and keep Souttar but that probably won't happen.

In an ideal scenario we loan him out and have all his wages covered and comes back when we've been promoted.

They all have to go. 
 

We don’t need any of them.
 

This level is so bad that we can get players on a fraction of the wage that will still be head and shoulders above everyone else. 

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Haywood_6

Haywood_6

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If we have to keep one of our senior centre backs then it needs to be Souttar for me. He was excellent last few games of last season. Hopefully he's in the first team plans and we're looking for buyers for Faes and Okoli. Nelson is going to be an interesting one, feels like he wants a fresh start if he's not going to sign a new deal. Can see him going

coolhandfox

coolhandfox

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2 hours ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Whilst true he's probably our best CB so we can't just assess strip every player and expect automatic promotion.

I'd rather move Faes and Okoli on and keep Souttar but that probably won't happen.

In an ideal scenario we loan him out and have all his wages covered and comes back when we've been promoted.

We need a total rebuild, no senior player is not for sale.

 

At the end of the season he will have 1 year left on his contract, it will be a case of signing a new one or b sold.

 

He's just come back from a World Cup were he play well, he probably going to be at his most selling now and we can get a decent price.

 

End of the season his price will be a lot less.

 

Sell and bring in some who a good young CB and grow and develop them.

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ThorpeAstleyFox

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The issue with selling our best players is that the money will be used to service our debts NOT to reinvest in the playing squad. I'm not saying that I wouldn't sell Soutter (I would), but the fans who are expecting us to reinvest this money are deluded. We will be shopping in the free transfer and loans market this Summer.

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jv1

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Got to try and keep him - our best cb by a country mile - get Okoli and faes gone - this guy is everything you need in league one 

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Silebyfox_89

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1 hour ago, fleckneymike said:

They all have to go. 
 

We don’t need any of them.
 

This level is so bad that we can get players on a fraction of the wage that will still be head and shoulders above everyone else. 

27 out and 27 in then??? 

 

I would argue Souttar wasn't with us last season so wasn't part of the toxic culture we had.

Yes this level is crap but we still need enough quality to get out of this league.

We've finally started to shift high earners and toxic players with is a great start (for once).

Okoli,  Faes  n Choudhury next to go imo and start Souttar n Nelson together for the first game.

 

 

les-tah

les-tah

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6 hours ago, Haywood_6 said:

If we have to keep one of our senior centre backs then it needs to be Souttar for me. He was excellent last few games of last season. Hopefully he's in the first team plans and we're looking for buyers for Faes and Okoli. Nelson is going to be an interesting one, feels like he wants a fresh start if he's not going to sign a new deal. Can see him going

Nelson is in a very tricky position. If we stand firm and refuse to let him leave on the cheap is he really prepared to run down his contract!? Given his injury record one serious injury could leave him out of contract and unable to play and without any guaranteed football income or financial security.

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Chief Keef

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If Nelson/Okoli/Faes are also set to leave then centre back becomes the biggest priority for recruitment. Wilson-Brown and Gray will be involved it seems but we will need 2/3 players in the position who are top end of the league in terms of quality. 

fleckneymike

fleckneymike

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6 hours ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

27 out and 27 in then??? 

 

I would argue Souttar wasn't with us last season so wasn't part of the toxic culture we had.

Yes this level is crap but we still need enough quality to get out of this league.

We've finally started to shift high earners and toxic players with is a great start (for once).

Okoli,  Faes  n Choudhury next to go imo and start Souttar n Nelson together for the first game.

 

 

Yeah. There’s not one player in that squad who is irreplaceable. 

 

They can all be replaced quite easily with lower cost options. 
 

No one in that current squad would play in the prem (aside from Abdul) and very few would get in a promotion chasing championship side. Therefore why keep them and keep paying them wages beyond their ability or use?

 

Abdul aside, who, hand on heart would you sign? Who would you think would warrant above 10k a week? 

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AKCJ

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I like Souttar and he would be our best CB but he's 27 which means he's probably at prime selling age. Keep him and his value goes down.

 

Plus selling him means we're more likely to keep Nelson and give Gray game time to develop.

 

Sell him and Faes, keep Nelson, Gray, Wilson-Brown and Okoli. Should be more than enough and all retain value.

FoxinNotts

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11 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I like Souttar and he would be our best CB but he's 27 which means he's probably at prime selling age. Keep him and his value goes down.

 

Plus selling him means we're more likely to keep Nelson and give Gray game time to develop.

 

Sell him and Faes, keep Nelson, Gray, Wilson-Brown and Okoli. Should be more than enough and all retain value.

Sell Okoli

KEEP big Harry Souttar !!

 

Souttar, Nelson, Gray and Wilson-Brown. Mint at this level, and solid if we go up too!

FoxinNotts

FoxinNotts

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1 hour ago, Chief Keef said:

 

If Nelson/Okoli/Faes are also set to leave then centre back becomes the biggest priority for recruitment. Wilson-Brown and Gray will be involved it seems but we will need 2/3 players in the position who are top end of the league in terms of quality. 

So if this translates correctly, basically, if he's on the plane come Monday, he's  happy to stay.... but as we know, everyone's for sale.

 

Fingers crossed. If he's not on the plane, we know he wants out for sure.

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