The Doctor Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 The relevance being the only reason we're predicted to struggle is Ranieri, just look at the press (and some of our own fans) reaction to his appointment. If Pearson were still here I guarantee those predictions would be entirely different. It doesn't work as a question though because we're in an entirely different situation to Villa and Newcastle - I'd tip both to struggle if Ranieri was in charge, but I'd tip them to struggle with any manager in charge because the former have lost the spine of their team, including their one consistent source of goals, and the latter are a basketcase with Ashley in charge, any chairman who weakens his team and pockets the cash rather than reinvesting is going to be one of a struggling team.
Mark_w Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 The relevance being the only reason we're predicted to struggle is Ranieri, just look at the press (and some of our own fans) reaction to his appointment. If Pearson were still here I guarantee those predictions would be entirely different. Of course they would, Pearson is a known entity. We know (at least most of us think we know) exactly what he's capable of. We've never supported a club managed by Ranieri, he hasn't managed in England for ten years, he hasn't managed a side in a relegation battle for God knows how long. Of course the predictions would be entirely different if Pearson was here. I think the conclusion that people think we'll struggle because of Ranieri is flawed though. If we'd got someone like Allardyce then sure predictions would be positive because everyone knows that he's very good in these situations. The negative predictions are a result of clear upheaval, the removal of a manager who was popular with the fans and players, and the general uncertainty that surrounds the club. The same doesn't apply to most clubs expected to be involved in the relegation battle.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 FoxBlogger aka Mike McCarthy to the rescue Last season https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o1mkNh-bfcO0HE4N17AR5wy-bWy5TDEhj7Lgy14JsIU/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Screen Shot 2015-08-05 at 20.46.21.png This season https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o95qYHPx_HashInNlKmhpQX0lj4zAICM6Dn5FRG7CvE/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Screen Shot 2015-08-05 at 20.46.33.png I'm glad Sports Illustrated think we'll stay up. They know a thin or two about keeping things up.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 FoxBlogger aka Mike McCarthy to the rescue Last season https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o1mkNh-bfcO0HE4N17AR5wy-bWy5TDEhj7Lgy14JsIU/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Screen Shot 2015-08-05 at 20.46.21.png This season https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o95qYHPx_HashInNlKmhpQX0lj4zAICM6Dn5FRG7CvE/edit?pli=1#gid=0 Screen Shot 2015-08-05 at 20.46.33.png Stringer 1 National Media 0
fleckneymike Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 It doesn't work as a question though because we're in an entirely different situation to Villa and Newcastle - I'd tip both to struggle if Ranieri was in charge, but I'd tip them to struggle with any manager in charge because the former have lost the spine of their team, including their one consistent source of goals, and the latter are a basketcase with Ashley in charge, any chairman who weakens his team and pockets the cash rather than reinvesting is going to be one of a struggling team. I'm not arguing we will go down, I'm arguing that what you perceive as ill informed opinion by pundits is no more ill informed that your own and that the reasoning begind our lowly prediction is due to the press' perception of Ranieri. Those teams that struggle one season tend to be predicted to struggle the next, we struggled, those three finished just beneath us and with the exception of Newcastle have kept their manager, that is why they are a fair comparison. I'd dispute your appraisal of Newcastle, the acquisition of Mitrovic could be very good, the retention of Cisse with Wijnaldum added is also very good. Newcastle struggled because of Carver, they've been fine for quite some time so I'd say they are different in that they are 'stronger'. Villa have lost their spine but I'd argue that many look at us and see no Cambiasso (player of the year) and think the same.
MC Prussian Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 The BBC's Phil McNulty has us down at 19, as well: Had Leicester City kept manager Nigel Pearson - who for all his bizarre behaviour did brilliantly as the Foxes won seven and drew one of their last 10 games to stay up - we would not be in this relegation territory. But his sacking, with Leicester's board saying their working relationship was "no longer viable", and the appointment of Claudio Ranieri means I fear the worst. Ranieri's appointment is, at best, left field and at worst uninspiring and unwise. A charming man but perhaps one out of time with the Premier League having last worked there with Chelsea in 2004 and having had a chequered career since. The Italian known as "The Tinkerman" for his constant team changes was sacked last year as manager of Greece, an infamous four-month reign notorious for a home defeat by the Faroe Islands. Time will tell - but this one does not quite sit right and it is to be hoped Leicester are not plunged back into the danger zone they occupied for so long last season. http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33751507
Dan Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 (edited) I'm surprised by quite how many think we'll actually go. I get that Ranieri is different to Pearson, but I don't think he's a terrible manager. Greece was a disaster, that's not even up for debate, but his track record really isn't that bad. I'm not seeing what sides like Sunderland and Newcastle are doing to justify being tipped for survival. I fancy Watford to surprise people. Edited 5 August 2015 by Dan LCFC
Guest ttfn Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 Jesus I really hope Ranieri shoves these bastards' words right back down their throats.
Brooksy Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 I don't understand why so many pundits are predicting Bournemouth to stay up. The same pundits last season were predicting us to drop and we were miles better than them when we got promoted.
ScouseFox Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 I don't understand why so many pundits are predicting Bournemouth to stay up. The same pundits last season were predicting us to drop and we were miles better than them when we got promoted. they just hope they'll stay up because it'll be a "story". much like they all wanted burnley to stay up, all wanted blackpool to stay up and all still struggle to point out that they were both absolute gash and deserved to fvck back off to division 15 asap 1
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 Jesus I really hope Ranieri shoves these bastards' words right back down their throats. Me too. I bet if he hadn't been given that Tinkerman nickname a decade ago then most would be tipping us to stay up. Also galling that it would appear that lots in the media who criticised and wrote off Pearson are now saying he was a great manager and calling Ranieri a poor substitute.
johnny the fox Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 I don't understand why so many pundits are predicting Bournemouth to stay up. The same pundits last season were predicting us to drop and we were miles better than them when we got promoted. Because there is a mass conspiracy against us, because they all hate us.... this is not paranoia ...bastards.
fleckneymike Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 I'm surprised by quite how many think we'll actually go. I get that Ranieri is different to Pearson, but I don't think he's a terrible manager. Greece was a disaster, that's not even up for debate, but his track record really isn't that bad. I'm not seeing what sides like Sunderland and Newcastle are doing to justify being tipped for survival. I fancy Watford to surprise people. Like I said, Ranieri is the reason they think we'll fall short. Just as QPR were tipped to do OK as the press knew 'Arry, we're tipped to flounder as the press know 'Tinkerman'. Their knowledge of Ranieri is based almost exclusively on his tenure at Chelsea, any good work he has done has been done away from the eyes of the British press and with clubs they know from past glories, as that good work doesn't translate to trophies then he's seen as a failure (regardless of the great work at Roma etc). He's almost the antithesis of Pearson to them so again that translates as failure to them.
Corky Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 Me too. I bet if he hadn't been given that Tinkerman nickname a decade ago then most would be tipping us to stay up. Also galling that it would appear that lots in the media who criticised and wrote off Pearson are now saying he was a great manager and calling Ranieri a poor substitute. In March, Pearson was an arrogant bully taking us back to the darkness in a fit of rage, petulance and tactical naviety. Now we've thrown away a possible manager of the season. Football365 were very big on Pearson going throughout the season in particular.
Carl the Llama Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 The BBC's Phil McNulty has us down at 19, as well: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33751507 McNutty specialises in the top 4 + Man Utd and even then he's a poor journalist. Less worried about this than any other prediction out there.
Dan Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 Jesus I really hope Ranieri shoves these bastards' words right back down their throats. And me. I'm not particularly confident but I'd actually love him to shut them all up.
adam95581 Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 I hope people keep writing us off, slagging off Ranieri, saying that Okazaki is rubbish, calling our squad depth poor...all this will do is build the siege mentality that served us so well last season. I really hope Ranieri is cute enough to play up to this too.
johnny the fox Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 but but...what if they are all right and we are fookin idiots?
richardsfoxes Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 Sick of people writing us off, clueless, its the same squad with plenty of improvements, i presume these morons didnt watch us play the last quarter of the season last year.
Wymsey Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 I don't understand these 'predictions' rubbish. It can and has (like us, last season) fuelled up teams that are affected by it.
Mark_w Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 Sick of people writing us off, clueless, its the same squad with plenty of improvements, i presume these morons didnt watch us play the last quarter of the season last year. Regardless of what people thought of Pearson, or what they think of Ranieri, can we please stop acting like football managers have no influence on the success of a football team? Paulo Sousa took over a slightly improved, on paper, Leicester side following our play-off season under Pearson and had us rock bottom. I can understand people complaining that Ranieri is being underrated, but acting like changing the manager will have no effect on the performance of the squad is a bit silly really.
davieG Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 Ranieri will be an abject failure Paul Watson@paul_c_watson 36 minutes ago Leicester City pulled off the great escape last season, but can they manage to preserve theirPremier League status this time around? View image | gettyimages.com After dramatically avoiding Premier League relegation last season, Leicester will look to repeat that feat but have their work cut out. Much will depend on new boss Claudio Ranieri and whether he can adapt to English football again working with fewer resources than he has been presented with at most of his former clubs. Prediction: 20th. Damien Lucas: Leicester will regret getting rid of Nigel Pearson and replacing him with Claudio Ranieri who, like in his last five jobs will be an abject failure, and lead the club to relegation. Losing player of the season Cambiasso and not adequately replacing him proves crucial. Freddie Shires: The Tinkerman won’t be able to pull off the same heroics as Nigel Pearson managed last season without Esteban Cambiasso at his disposal. Chris Linnell: The Foxes' Premier League survival last term came down to tremendous momentum in the closing stages of the season. Can they replicate this next term? I don’t think so. Olly Dawes: The departure of Nigel Pearson was a shock, and Claudio Ranieri isn't an appointment to instil confidence. Another relegation battle may be on the cards, with the Foxes desperately needing to replace Esteban Cambiasso. Mathew Nash: Leicester were dragged kicking and screaming to survival by Nigel Pearson last season. He and Esteban Cambiasso are gone with Claudio Ranieri at the helm. No miracle this time. View image | gettyimages.com Che Thomas: I think most Leicester fans would admit that they wouldn’t have been in the division this season if the club would of sacked Nigel Pearson last season. As difficult a man as he appeared, he had the right arrogance to convince the squad they are good enough, and with him and Esteban Cambiasso gone, I just can’t see how the Foxes will avoid the drop this time round. Stephen Pickering: The loss of Nigel Pearson could be a huge blow, equally the influential Esteban Cambiasso. It took an unbelievable run of form to keep them up last season, this could be a testing season for the Foxes. Key player: Leonardo Ulloa. Tim Poole: I’d like to see Claudio Ranieri do well but it’ll likely end in tears. Lewis Doe: Claudio Ranieri to be shocked by just how much the Premier League has changed since his Chelsea days. Michael Stevenson: The sacking of the erratic but effective Nigel Pearson will be a huge loss and the Foxes have been frustrated in the transfer window thus far, worrying times lay ahead. Billy Hawkins: Claudio Ranieri to lose his job by Christmas, and the Foxes fail to recover. Our writers were asked to predict the outcome of next season's Premier League campaign. We accumulated their rankings (20 points for first place, 1 for 20th, etc), and created a predicted 2015-16 league table. And here it is: Chelsea Arsenal Manchester United Manchester City Liverpool Tottenham Everton Southampton West Ham United Crystal Palace Swansea City Stoke City Newcastle United West Bromwich Albion Aston Villa Sunderland Bournemouth ---------- Watford Norwich City Leicester City
fleckneymike Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 (edited) Ranieri will be an abject failure Paul Watson@paul_c_watson 36 minutes ago Leicester City pulled off the great escape last season, but can they manage to preserve theirPremier League status this time around? View image | gettyimages.com After dramatically avoiding Premier League relegation last season, Leicester will look to repeat that feat but have their work cut out. Much will depend on new boss Claudio Ranieri and whether he can adapt to English football again working with fewer resources than he has been presented with at most of his former clubs. Prediction: 20th. Damien Lucas: Leicester will regret getting rid of Nigel Pearson and replacing him with Claudio Ranieri who, like in his last five jobs will be an abject failure, and lead the club to relegation. Losing player of the season Cambiasso and not adequately replacing him proves crucial. Freddie Shires: The Tinkerman won’t be able to pull off the same heroics as Nigel Pearson managed last season without Esteban Cambiasso at his disposal. Chris Linnell: The Foxes' Premier League survival last term came down to tremendous momentum in the closing stages of the season. Can they replicate this next term? I don’t think so. Olly Dawes: The departure of Nigel Pearson was a shock, and Claudio Ranieri isn't an appointment to instil confidence. Another relegation battle may be on the cards, with the Foxes desperately needing to replace Esteban Cambiasso. Mathew Nash: Leicester were dragged kicking and screaming to survival by Nigel Pearson last season. He and Esteban Cambiasso are gone with Claudio Ranieri at the helm. No miracle this time. View image | gettyimages.com Che Thomas: I think most Leicester fans would admit that they wouldn’t have been in the division this season if the club would of sacked Nigel Pearson last season. As difficult a man as he appeared, he had the right arrogance to convince the squad they are good enough, and with him and Esteban Cambiasso gone, I just can’t see how the Foxes will avoid the drop this time round. Stephen Pickering: The loss of Nigel Pearson could be a huge blow, equally the influential Esteban Cambiasso. It took an unbelievable run of form to keep them up last season, this could be a testing season for the Foxes. Key player: Leonardo Ulloa. Tim Poole: I’d like to see Claudio Ranieri do well but it’ll likely end in tears. Lewis Doe: Claudio Ranieri to be shocked by just how much the Premier League has changed since his Chelsea days. Michael Stevenson: The sacking of the erratic but effective Nigel Pearson will be a huge loss and the Foxes have been frustrated in the transfer window thus far, worrying times lay ahead. Billy Hawkins: Claudio Ranieri to lose his job by Christmas, and the Foxes fail to recover. Our writers were asked to predict the outcome of next season's Premier League campaign. We accumulated their rankings (20 points for first place, 1 for 20th, etc), and created a predicted 2015-16 league table. And here it is: Chelsea Arsenal Manchester United Manchester City Liverpool Tottenham Everton Southampton West Ham United Crystal Palace Swansea City Stoke City Newcastle United West Bromwich Albion Aston Villa Sunderland Bournemouth ---------- Watford Norwich City Leicester City As I've said many times in this thread it is the man and not the team which the pundits are basing their predictions on. Put that man's name next to virtually any other bottom half side and they'd be favourites for relegation (rightly or wrongly). Edited 5 August 2015 by fleckneymike
lgfualol Posted 5 August 2015 Posted 5 August 2015 (edited) Claudio Ranieri who, like in his last five jobs will be an abject failure Do these people even think before they write? Massive failure at Monaco getting them from Ligue 2 to Champions league. Only last year he was there ffs. Che Thomas: I think most Leicester fans would admit that they wouldn’t have been in the division this season if the club would of sacked Nigel Pearson last season. Obviously not, that doesn't even make sense. Edited 5 August 2015 by lgfualol
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